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I am removing the current cover photo with scratch and replaced with an edited photo without the scratch. Cmguy777 ( talk) 02:07, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
That 1923 article is quite something; I had the same reaction as you, and added more to the article about the extent of the filibuster and what it meant for other business. Also thought Overman's quote really told you something about the times - terrible! Not sure about my assertion that this was the first anti-lynching law of the 20th c. but think it was. Will look for a cite. Parkwells ( talk) 13:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
You did a good job of showing that Dyer was so horrified by the race riots in St. Louis and East St. Louis, together with the high rate of reported lynchings, that he chose to do something about it. Most admirable, including his campaign through the western states. Federal legislation was what African-American leaders had been asking for at least since the 1890s. There is research showing that the rate of lynchings went up in the latter 19th and early 20th c., at the time Southerners were re-establishing white supremacy through legislatures, Jim Crow laws, and new constitutions that disfranchised African Americans. There were also tensions from failures of cotton and the boll weevil infestation, and the beginning of the exodus of workers in the Great Migration. A good book on the Mississippi Delta (The Most Southern Place on Earth) traced the labor relations between planters and workers - the planters wanted African Americans available when they needed them as laborers, but didn't want to be responsible for extended employment, then they panicked when the African Americans started to leave, and tried to prevent their going. Similar reactions occurred in Florida, and some state governments tried to prevent northern businesses from recruiting in the South. The PA RR was going through massive expansion and hired something like 10,000 workers from Florida alone. Parkwells ( talk) 13:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Sen Overman stated the Dyer bill was "written by a negroe" in the New York Times article Filibuster Kills Anti-Lynching Bill. Could Rep. Dyer have had African American ethnicity? Was Sen. Overman stating that someone else, an African American, had written the bill other then Rep. Dyer?
I'm so glad that you wrote this article - it's another important reminder of what the historical situation was, and how important enforcement of constitutional rights is, as well as voting/the franchise. Parkwells ( talk) 13:45, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
I was trying to identify William Board, but can't find him. What did your source say? There was a William E. Borah who was a prominent Senator and politician from Idaho. It seems more likely that he would have figured in this account, as he may have influenced Republican voting on the bill in the Senate. Parkwells ( talk) 13:45, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
This article tells a lot about the background of the bill - [1], in the Republican National Platform of 1920. Parkwells ( talk) 02:58, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
I realize some of the content of this article - the more details about the bill, constitutional objections, Republican platform, etc. probably also belongs in the Bill article. Will look at it more later. The Congressional Record on the 2005 apology had material entered by a Senator Craig that gave a history of Borah's stand, especially statements in the 1930s when the Costigan-Wagner bill was under consideration. It would likely be useful to put some of that in the Bill article, so people would understand what was the thinking of the time about state sovereignty, constitution, etc. Parkwells ( talk) 11:59, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
I believe the Anti-Lynching Bill section can be segmented into four parts: Background; Bill introduction and debate; Filibuster; Aftermath. This is just a general suggestion. Possibly the section could be divided in other ways. I believe this would help the reader navigate through the section. Cmguy777 ( talk) 16:21, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
You've added a section that starts "Proponents of the bill believed..." I recommend keeping the "burning bodies" phrase only in the quote you have later in the article- lynching covers this for the earlier discussion section. Also, although the Southern whites got their power from having disfranchised the blacks, voting rights were not part of any consideration of the lynching bill, and the Congress had taken no action to correct that situation. It makes the article confusing to discuss the amendments in more detail, when the subject is people getting murdered. I had been trying to show how African Americans did not have any formal political power in the South, and may not have been clear enough. Will try to work more on this later, and move more to the Dyer Bill article. Parkwells ( talk) 15:40, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for everyone who has contributed to the article. The popularity of the article has spiked within the last few weeks. Here is the link Leonidas C. Dyer article statistics. Cmguy777 ( talk) 23:23, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
This Congressional site has an historical essay about the long absence of blacks from Congress, and includes content about Dyer's support of anti-lynching legislation, with quotes from his speeches. Good source.
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I am removing the current cover photo with scratch and replaced with an edited photo without the scratch. Cmguy777 ( talk) 02:07, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
That 1923 article is quite something; I had the same reaction as you, and added more to the article about the extent of the filibuster and what it meant for other business. Also thought Overman's quote really told you something about the times - terrible! Not sure about my assertion that this was the first anti-lynching law of the 20th c. but think it was. Will look for a cite. Parkwells ( talk) 13:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
You did a good job of showing that Dyer was so horrified by the race riots in St. Louis and East St. Louis, together with the high rate of reported lynchings, that he chose to do something about it. Most admirable, including his campaign through the western states. Federal legislation was what African-American leaders had been asking for at least since the 1890s. There is research showing that the rate of lynchings went up in the latter 19th and early 20th c., at the time Southerners were re-establishing white supremacy through legislatures, Jim Crow laws, and new constitutions that disfranchised African Americans. There were also tensions from failures of cotton and the boll weevil infestation, and the beginning of the exodus of workers in the Great Migration. A good book on the Mississippi Delta (The Most Southern Place on Earth) traced the labor relations between planters and workers - the planters wanted African Americans available when they needed them as laborers, but didn't want to be responsible for extended employment, then they panicked when the African Americans started to leave, and tried to prevent their going. Similar reactions occurred in Florida, and some state governments tried to prevent northern businesses from recruiting in the South. The PA RR was going through massive expansion and hired something like 10,000 workers from Florida alone. Parkwells ( talk) 13:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Sen Overman stated the Dyer bill was "written by a negroe" in the New York Times article Filibuster Kills Anti-Lynching Bill. Could Rep. Dyer have had African American ethnicity? Was Sen. Overman stating that someone else, an African American, had written the bill other then Rep. Dyer?
I'm so glad that you wrote this article - it's another important reminder of what the historical situation was, and how important enforcement of constitutional rights is, as well as voting/the franchise. Parkwells ( talk) 13:45, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
I was trying to identify William Board, but can't find him. What did your source say? There was a William E. Borah who was a prominent Senator and politician from Idaho. It seems more likely that he would have figured in this account, as he may have influenced Republican voting on the bill in the Senate. Parkwells ( talk) 13:45, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
This article tells a lot about the background of the bill - [1], in the Republican National Platform of 1920. Parkwells ( talk) 02:58, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
I realize some of the content of this article - the more details about the bill, constitutional objections, Republican platform, etc. probably also belongs in the Bill article. Will look at it more later. The Congressional Record on the 2005 apology had material entered by a Senator Craig that gave a history of Borah's stand, especially statements in the 1930s when the Costigan-Wagner bill was under consideration. It would likely be useful to put some of that in the Bill article, so people would understand what was the thinking of the time about state sovereignty, constitution, etc. Parkwells ( talk) 11:59, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
I believe the Anti-Lynching Bill section can be segmented into four parts: Background; Bill introduction and debate; Filibuster; Aftermath. This is just a general suggestion. Possibly the section could be divided in other ways. I believe this would help the reader navigate through the section. Cmguy777 ( talk) 16:21, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
You've added a section that starts "Proponents of the bill believed..." I recommend keeping the "burning bodies" phrase only in the quote you have later in the article- lynching covers this for the earlier discussion section. Also, although the Southern whites got their power from having disfranchised the blacks, voting rights were not part of any consideration of the lynching bill, and the Congress had taken no action to correct that situation. It makes the article confusing to discuss the amendments in more detail, when the subject is people getting murdered. I had been trying to show how African Americans did not have any formal political power in the South, and may not have been clear enough. Will try to work more on this later, and move more to the Dyer Bill article. Parkwells ( talk) 15:40, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for everyone who has contributed to the article. The popularity of the article has spiked within the last few weeks. Here is the link Leonidas C. Dyer article statistics. Cmguy777 ( talk) 23:23, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
This Congressional site has an historical essay about the long absence of blacks from Congress, and includes content about Dyer's support of anti-lynching legislation, with quotes from his speeches. Good source.
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