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Since both languages are the same and the Asturian article is much bigger, I think someone should merge this one into the other and convert it into a redirect. Charles Dexter Ward 15:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Leonese language is not exactly the same that asturian language, and it can be considered as a different idiom. -- Galician 18:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
It all depends on which side of the stupid and highly politicised leonese vs. asturleonese polemic you position yourself. The fact is that this article is quite biased and lacks mayor significant sources for its claims. And Idiom, amigo mío, means something quite different than "idioma" in English. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.158.57.144 ( talk) 18:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
The following heading does not make sense: "Adult people More than 104 persons in five levels studies Leonese Language in 2008-2009 course for adult people in the official courses that developes the Leonese City Council Department for Leonese Culture[7]". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.156.24 ( talk) 01:54, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Auslli asked me to give some advice on how to improve the quality this article, so I'll list a few things that need to be amended:
Peter Isotalo 15:19, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
There is something more urgent than all that. The article gives a completely misleading idea about the current situation of the language. You could end up thinking that Leonese is spoken on a daily basis in all of the provinces of León, Zamora and Salamanca, or at least in all the rural areas. Of course that is not true.
The page should define very clearly what is the real current extension of the language, how it is difficult to draw the limits with both Spanish and Galician, let alone Asturian, and that Leonese might have been spoken in the past in wide areas where it is not spoken any more by anyone. -- Jotamar ( talk) 15:07, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Please don't reinsert the Kingdom of Léon as a region where Leonese is spoken. When an article is about a living language that part of the infobox is intended for regions where a language is currently spoken.
Peter Isotalo 22:22, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
It seems curious to me see what's happening in this article. Auslli, and specially Undersucker and Bilgelik only appear to revert me. I believe that my editions respect the Neutral Point of View of Wikipedia. There's no reason to keep the term "Kingdom of León" in the article, I've explained it a couple of lines up. So, I think that we should protect this article from disruptive edits that only pretend to impose the terms Llión, Kingdom of León and the number of speakers, absolutely invented. Regards. Rastrojo ( talk) 13:01, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
The sociolinguistic study of Leon never talk it about numbers of speakers of language leonés. The respondents spoke about traditional language, which many respondents do not identify with the Leonese language. Therefore, from this study can not get the number of speakers of language leonés. I have the study in my power. (Sorry for my English)-- FCPB ( talk) 13:40, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I wonder how the works by Menendez Pidal on the whole asturleonese lingüistic dominion (what he called "leonese diactect") and other works that use the term "leonese" in the same way ("dialectos leoneses") may be used to define a "language" that, in the sense that Menendez Pidal used, also applied to the languages spoken in Asturias. The article is definitely misleading. -- Ecemaml ( talk) 13:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
It has been proved that Auslli is an admin of Llionpedia, a Leonese encyclopedia with a Leonesist Point of View. There are no more doubts about his political inclinations, which are also supported by Undersucker. So, this revisions should be kept out of the article. The NPOV should be saved. Regards. Rastrojo ( talk) 16:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I find Rastrojo's reverts fair overall. The mention of the Leonese kingdom, disappeared 7 centuries ago, is out of place; to use the name "Llión" for a city where nobody uses that name is ridiculous too. -- Jotamar ( talk) 18:01, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
On the other hand, it would be very interesting to know what is the connection between users Auslli, Eldrewitsch and Undersucker... -- Jotamar ( talk) 18:01, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Rastrojo has erased the given total amount of Leonese speakers without apparent reason. I do not care about politics, I am not a Spaniard and I don't like nationalism neither Spanish nor Castilian, Leonese or whatsoever, so please be fair and refer to philological studies in this discussion. I thank you in advance. My references for 50.000 speakers are:
If you cannot present studies published by academicians in national or international publications, I suggest that we all accept the figure of 50.000 speakers. -- Eldrewitsch ( talk) 17:27, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
This article is a copy of this politized pseudo-wikipedia: http://www.llinguallionesa.net/index.php/Llingua_Ll%C3%AFonesa -- Karkeixa ( talk) 12:27, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
If you want an objetive and not politized article of the real wikipedia see this:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idioma_leones --
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Academia de la Llingua Asturiana is an official organism and Romania Minor is a reputed organization. You just want to keep your politized point of view. The linguistic reality in Spain is another. Stop being vandalize, please! -- Karkeixa ( talk) 08:58, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
The Academia de la Llingua Asturiana has no competences in Castile and León, but the Report of The Asturian Language speaks about all the asturleonese linguistic domain. And in this linguistic domain included the leonese language. -- Karkeixa ( talk) 09:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
This article is being written from the unique perspective of the political organization Conceyu Xoven. The user Auslli was unmasked in the spanish wikipedia. He drafted the spanish article with political interests and we had to rewrite the article objectively. Nobody will to do anything to correct and depoliticize the english article? -- Karkeixa ( talk) 11:21, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
The contributions that i am making in the article are argued from trustworthy and prestigious sources (philologists and linguists). I don't know what is the problem for be unable to edit in this article. -- Karkeixa ( talk) 08:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
If you see the contributions (all the contributions are made the same day) of the user Stywerdoff you will check that his contributions are ridiculous and random. ¿Who's the sockpuppet? -- Karkeixa ( talk) 09:11, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
User Auslli was expulsed in italian, german and Spanish wiki. Link--> http://diariodeleon.com/noticias/noticia.asp?pkid=486378 (the article in the news says "English wiki", but it's a typographical error; it must say "Spanish wiki"). In Spanish wiki, they reverted all editions made for Auslli, Xairu and Sprawi; and they have corrected the article, so it's a good idea translate it from Spanish now. -- Paladinex ( talk) 12:55, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why many of the Latin words in the comparative table take the accusative case? Would it not be more appropriate to use the nominative? ~~ Lothar von Richthofen ( talk) 19:59, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
User Benwing inserted a statement into at least two articles about Astur-Leonese languages (this one and Leonese language) falsely implying that these languages genetically descend from a Portuguese node. This contradicts the established view. The established view is elaborated in various Wikipedia articles on Astur-Leonese languages: western Romance is a dialect continuum with many members, and most of the local vernaculars are not "basilects" of Spanish, Portuguese, or French. Within Iberian Romance, Leonese, Asturias, and Aragonese are not variants of Spanish, but rather Spanish is of comparable rank to them. Again, this has all been articulated in other Wikipedia articles. More particularly, Leonese is not a variety of Portuguese any more than of Spanish. Therefore, user Benwing is in error to choose wording, "here are historical traits which link (Mirandese, Leonese) to Portuguese rather than to Spanish". The key insight is that in western Romance phonology, at least in consonants, Castilian is highly divergent from all the others. The inventory and distribution of consonants in Leonese resemble the Portuguese more than the nearly all the western Romance dialects from Belgium to Lisbon resemble one another closely in these regards. Dale Chock ( talk) 01:00, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
For anyone with updated information about the languages in Spain, it's obvious that the ambiguity Leonese vs Astur-Leonese does no longer exist. The term Leonese is not used nowadays for the linguistic varieties in Asturias, Cantabria or even in Mirando do Douro. Rewording the heading as if the ambiguity still existed really messes up the page. Jotamar ( talk) 14:22, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Good point--by the way, you seem to mean "the lead" where you said "the heading". But then, this article needs far more serious change than what you refer to. After all, the whole article expresses the idea of using "Leonese" to mean "Asturian-Leonese". Half of the information in this article belongs properly to the article on Asturian-Leonese. Dale Chock ( talk) 01:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
There seems to be no belief among the specialists that the dialects of Leonese constitute a distinct language from Asturian. Dale Chock ( talk) 01:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
I was surprised to find no external link to Llionpedia, and added one. Was this there before, and removed because of some dispute? I assume that Llionpedia was started in part because Leonese and Asturian were not considered distinct languages by our standards, but two communities each wanted their own reference work... Nevertheless, the site was set up and has grown significantly; it is certainly one of the significant collections of Leonese writing online. – SJ + 23:46, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for reverting in bulk all the editions by Sifedyx, but they included removing references and unilaterally deciding that Salamanca should be left out. Some previous discussion is needed. Jotamar ( talk) 17:09, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
i wondered, what does the sign in the picture say? it translates as river jargon, but what does that mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.167.22.90 ( talk) 16:55, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Could some one please tell me whether in the Linguistic Characteristics section are discussed the characteristics of the whole Asturleonese areal or only of Leones in narrow sence (the dialects spoken in Leon)? Thanks in advance. -- Мико ( talk) 06:53, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Pretty clear there is no agreement here. Possibly a wider issue that needs further discussion at some sort of RfC. Jenks24 ( talk) 16:01, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Leonese dialect → Leonese language – User:Kwamikagami asked me :: "Hi. Could you restore Leonese? It's a dialect per our sources. Thanks.". Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 05:09, 9 September 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 ( talk) 10:16, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
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The opening sentence says Leonese is a dialect. But of what? I'm not a linguist, but I've always heard dialect as in "X is a dialect of Spanish." Leonese is spoken in Spain, but it's not clear from the opening if it's a dialect of Spanish or of Galician, or of some other language. If I'm misunderstanding the concept of "dialect," please correct me. — MiguelMunoz ( talk) 18:22, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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In my opinion, the video recently added in this page is not the best possible sample of a Leoneses speaker: the dialect it represents is a marginal area in southern Salamanca province, closer to Extremaduran than to Leonese, and most of the video sounds as normal Spanish, with just a few Leonese-flavored words at the end. -- Jotamar ( talk) 18:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
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Leonese dialect → Leonese language – Leonese, along Asturian (titled as a language on Wikipedia), Mirandese (also titled as a language) and Extremaduran (same here), are all part of the same language: Asturleonese. However, they are not dialects, at least not Asturian and Leonese, see maps on the actual dialects of Asturleonese we have on Commons here: [2] [3] [4]. The situation of the Asturleonese variants could be compared to that of the Serbo-Croatian ones: Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin are not dialects of a same language, but different standardized versions of the same language, which do not correspond to the dialectal split of Serbo-Croatian [5]. Similarily, Asturian is only the Asturleonese spoken in Asturias, Leonese is the Asturleonese spoken in the region of León, and so on (although I am not sure if the Asturleonese variants have been standardized, probably not). I'd say it is better to have consistency among articles, since there's no reason that we label Asturian, Mirandese and Extremaduran as languages but Leonese as a dialect. Another option could be something like "Leonese variants of Asturleonese" or "Leonese Asturleonese", but that's probably not very widely used on Wikipedia. Super Ψ Dro 16:44, 20 February 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 18:58, 27 February 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 19:23, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
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Since both languages are the same and the Asturian article is much bigger, I think someone should merge this one into the other and convert it into a redirect. Charles Dexter Ward 15:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Leonese language is not exactly the same that asturian language, and it can be considered as a different idiom. -- Galician 18:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
It all depends on which side of the stupid and highly politicised leonese vs. asturleonese polemic you position yourself. The fact is that this article is quite biased and lacks mayor significant sources for its claims. And Idiom, amigo mío, means something quite different than "idioma" in English. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.158.57.144 ( talk) 18:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
The following heading does not make sense: "Adult people More than 104 persons in five levels studies Leonese Language in 2008-2009 course for adult people in the official courses that developes the Leonese City Council Department for Leonese Culture[7]". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.156.24 ( talk) 01:54, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Auslli asked me to give some advice on how to improve the quality this article, so I'll list a few things that need to be amended:
Peter Isotalo 15:19, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
There is something more urgent than all that. The article gives a completely misleading idea about the current situation of the language. You could end up thinking that Leonese is spoken on a daily basis in all of the provinces of León, Zamora and Salamanca, or at least in all the rural areas. Of course that is not true.
The page should define very clearly what is the real current extension of the language, how it is difficult to draw the limits with both Spanish and Galician, let alone Asturian, and that Leonese might have been spoken in the past in wide areas where it is not spoken any more by anyone. -- Jotamar ( talk) 15:07, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Please don't reinsert the Kingdom of Léon as a region where Leonese is spoken. When an article is about a living language that part of the infobox is intended for regions where a language is currently spoken.
Peter Isotalo 22:22, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
It seems curious to me see what's happening in this article. Auslli, and specially Undersucker and Bilgelik only appear to revert me. I believe that my editions respect the Neutral Point of View of Wikipedia. There's no reason to keep the term "Kingdom of León" in the article, I've explained it a couple of lines up. So, I think that we should protect this article from disruptive edits that only pretend to impose the terms Llión, Kingdom of León and the number of speakers, absolutely invented. Regards. Rastrojo ( talk) 13:01, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
The sociolinguistic study of Leon never talk it about numbers of speakers of language leonés. The respondents spoke about traditional language, which many respondents do not identify with the Leonese language. Therefore, from this study can not get the number of speakers of language leonés. I have the study in my power. (Sorry for my English)-- FCPB ( talk) 13:40, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I wonder how the works by Menendez Pidal on the whole asturleonese lingüistic dominion (what he called "leonese diactect") and other works that use the term "leonese" in the same way ("dialectos leoneses") may be used to define a "language" that, in the sense that Menendez Pidal used, also applied to the languages spoken in Asturias. The article is definitely misleading. -- Ecemaml ( talk) 13:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
It has been proved that Auslli is an admin of Llionpedia, a Leonese encyclopedia with a Leonesist Point of View. There are no more doubts about his political inclinations, which are also supported by Undersucker. So, this revisions should be kept out of the article. The NPOV should be saved. Regards. Rastrojo ( talk) 16:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I find Rastrojo's reverts fair overall. The mention of the Leonese kingdom, disappeared 7 centuries ago, is out of place; to use the name "Llión" for a city where nobody uses that name is ridiculous too. -- Jotamar ( talk) 18:01, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
On the other hand, it would be very interesting to know what is the connection between users Auslli, Eldrewitsch and Undersucker... -- Jotamar ( talk) 18:01, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Rastrojo has erased the given total amount of Leonese speakers without apparent reason. I do not care about politics, I am not a Spaniard and I don't like nationalism neither Spanish nor Castilian, Leonese or whatsoever, so please be fair and refer to philological studies in this discussion. I thank you in advance. My references for 50.000 speakers are:
If you cannot present studies published by academicians in national or international publications, I suggest that we all accept the figure of 50.000 speakers. -- Eldrewitsch ( talk) 17:27, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
This article is a copy of this politized pseudo-wikipedia: http://www.llinguallionesa.net/index.php/Llingua_Ll%C3%AFonesa -- Karkeixa ( talk) 12:27, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
If you want an objetive and not politized article of the real wikipedia see this:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idioma_leones --
Karkeixa (
talk)
12:32, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Academia de la Llingua Asturiana is an official organism and Romania Minor is a reputed organization. You just want to keep your politized point of view. The linguistic reality in Spain is another. Stop being vandalize, please! -- Karkeixa ( talk) 08:58, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
The Academia de la Llingua Asturiana has no competences in Castile and León, but the Report of The Asturian Language speaks about all the asturleonese linguistic domain. And in this linguistic domain included the leonese language. -- Karkeixa ( talk) 09:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
This article is being written from the unique perspective of the political organization Conceyu Xoven. The user Auslli was unmasked in the spanish wikipedia. He drafted the spanish article with political interests and we had to rewrite the article objectively. Nobody will to do anything to correct and depoliticize the english article? -- Karkeixa ( talk) 11:21, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
The contributions that i am making in the article are argued from trustworthy and prestigious sources (philologists and linguists). I don't know what is the problem for be unable to edit in this article. -- Karkeixa ( talk) 08:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
If you see the contributions (all the contributions are made the same day) of the user Stywerdoff you will check that his contributions are ridiculous and random. ¿Who's the sockpuppet? -- Karkeixa ( talk) 09:11, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
User Auslli was expulsed in italian, german and Spanish wiki. Link--> http://diariodeleon.com/noticias/noticia.asp?pkid=486378 (the article in the news says "English wiki", but it's a typographical error; it must say "Spanish wiki"). In Spanish wiki, they reverted all editions made for Auslli, Xairu and Sprawi; and they have corrected the article, so it's a good idea translate it from Spanish now. -- Paladinex ( talk) 12:55, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why many of the Latin words in the comparative table take the accusative case? Would it not be more appropriate to use the nominative? ~~ Lothar von Richthofen ( talk) 19:59, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
User Benwing inserted a statement into at least two articles about Astur-Leonese languages (this one and Leonese language) falsely implying that these languages genetically descend from a Portuguese node. This contradicts the established view. The established view is elaborated in various Wikipedia articles on Astur-Leonese languages: western Romance is a dialect continuum with many members, and most of the local vernaculars are not "basilects" of Spanish, Portuguese, or French. Within Iberian Romance, Leonese, Asturias, and Aragonese are not variants of Spanish, but rather Spanish is of comparable rank to them. Again, this has all been articulated in other Wikipedia articles. More particularly, Leonese is not a variety of Portuguese any more than of Spanish. Therefore, user Benwing is in error to choose wording, "here are historical traits which link (Mirandese, Leonese) to Portuguese rather than to Spanish". The key insight is that in western Romance phonology, at least in consonants, Castilian is highly divergent from all the others. The inventory and distribution of consonants in Leonese resemble the Portuguese more than the nearly all the western Romance dialects from Belgium to Lisbon resemble one another closely in these regards. Dale Chock ( talk) 01:00, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
For anyone with updated information about the languages in Spain, it's obvious that the ambiguity Leonese vs Astur-Leonese does no longer exist. The term Leonese is not used nowadays for the linguistic varieties in Asturias, Cantabria or even in Mirando do Douro. Rewording the heading as if the ambiguity still existed really messes up the page. Jotamar ( talk) 14:22, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Good point--by the way, you seem to mean "the lead" where you said "the heading". But then, this article needs far more serious change than what you refer to. After all, the whole article expresses the idea of using "Leonese" to mean "Asturian-Leonese". Half of the information in this article belongs properly to the article on Asturian-Leonese. Dale Chock ( talk) 01:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
There seems to be no belief among the specialists that the dialects of Leonese constitute a distinct language from Asturian. Dale Chock ( talk) 01:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
I was surprised to find no external link to Llionpedia, and added one. Was this there before, and removed because of some dispute? I assume that Llionpedia was started in part because Leonese and Asturian were not considered distinct languages by our standards, but two communities each wanted their own reference work... Nevertheless, the site was set up and has grown significantly; it is certainly one of the significant collections of Leonese writing online. – SJ + 23:46, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for reverting in bulk all the editions by Sifedyx, but they included removing references and unilaterally deciding that Salamanca should be left out. Some previous discussion is needed. Jotamar ( talk) 17:09, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
i wondered, what does the sign in the picture say? it translates as river jargon, but what does that mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.167.22.90 ( talk) 16:55, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Could some one please tell me whether in the Linguistic Characteristics section are discussed the characteristics of the whole Asturleonese areal or only of Leones in narrow sence (the dialects spoken in Leon)? Thanks in advance. -- Мико ( talk) 06:53, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Pretty clear there is no agreement here. Possibly a wider issue that needs further discussion at some sort of RfC. Jenks24 ( talk) 16:01, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
Leonese dialect → Leonese language – User:Kwamikagami asked me :: "Hi. Could you restore Leonese? It's a dialect per our sources. Thanks.". Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 05:09, 9 September 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 ( talk) 10:16, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
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The opening sentence says Leonese is a dialect. But of what? I'm not a linguist, but I've always heard dialect as in "X is a dialect of Spanish." Leonese is spoken in Spain, but it's not clear from the opening if it's a dialect of Spanish or of Galician, or of some other language. If I'm misunderstanding the concept of "dialect," please correct me. — MiguelMunoz ( talk) 18:22, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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In my opinion, the video recently added in this page is not the best possible sample of a Leoneses speaker: the dialect it represents is a marginal area in southern Salamanca province, closer to Extremaduran than to Leonese, and most of the video sounds as normal Spanish, with just a few Leonese-flavored words at the end. -- Jotamar ( talk) 18:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
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Leonese dialect → Leonese language – Leonese, along Asturian (titled as a language on Wikipedia), Mirandese (also titled as a language) and Extremaduran (same here), are all part of the same language: Asturleonese. However, they are not dialects, at least not Asturian and Leonese, see maps on the actual dialects of Asturleonese we have on Commons here: [2] [3] [4]. The situation of the Asturleonese variants could be compared to that of the Serbo-Croatian ones: Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin are not dialects of a same language, but different standardized versions of the same language, which do not correspond to the dialectal split of Serbo-Croatian [5]. Similarily, Asturian is only the Asturleonese spoken in Asturias, Leonese is the Asturleonese spoken in the region of León, and so on (although I am not sure if the Asturleonese variants have been standardized, probably not). I'd say it is better to have consistency among articles, since there's no reason that we label Asturian, Mirandese and Extremaduran as languages but Leonese as a dialect. Another option could be something like "Leonese variants of Asturleonese" or "Leonese Asturleonese", but that's probably not very widely used on Wikipedia. Super Ψ Dro 16:44, 20 February 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 18:58, 27 February 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 19:23, 6 March 2022 (UTC)