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This forum review of L1 has a response from Len with valuble info about his Lendore island campaign and the L series of modules, hopefully will be usefull to incorporate into this and related articles http://www.dragonsfoot.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10766&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=fdb3d845a48616276cb2c1ab4dc84000 - Waza 05:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
An early D&D player doesn't come across as a notable fact. Nor does it fit with normal bio styles. Similarly I am not sure if he is known as an author. So the introduction makes it seem like a non-notable person despite being very short. Tetron76 ( talk) 12:54, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
The references and content raise questions of notability. The comment in the external source interview implies that there should be several references for this person. So there could well be "presumed" sources There is an uncited section that would call into question the note of one of his contribution. The books have not been given their ISBN or publication details. Needs to make clear in this article what is his major contributions to warrant notability with some basic summary information for a non D&D person to understand. Tetron76 ( talk) 12:54, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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I'm hearing that Lenard Lakofka died on Friday, from Lord Gosumba (who is running an online Greyhawk talk-show that Lenard has been appearing in).
The Canonfire forums have a forum topic: Len Lakofka (Leomund) has passed.
I don't know if we need independent clarification, like a newspaper article. Both the above sources seem like reliable secondary soruces to me. Big Mac ( talk) 10:24, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
I've been watching the back-and-forth on this page for the last week.
The difficulty here isn't that we all know he died (because he did), or that anyone thinks he didn't. Obviously, it's the
Wikipedia:Verifiability.
I don't think any of the editors who've engaged in repeated Undo's and Reverts intend any disrespect toward Len, it's about Wikipedia standards for citation.
This is all kind of crappy to not be able to verify his passing and validate it for us as fans. But, it has it's own standards, and we don't get to break the rules - we follow them, or else we risk things like blocking and banning from system admins.
It's becoming troublesome to watch editors repeatedly undoing reverts despite multiple authors including "<!--please provide any information on his death with a reliable source per
WP:RS-->" in the infobox. It's being willfully ignored and is now risking venturing toward devolving into
disruptive editing and
Edit warring.
I'd like to see new links discussed here on the Talk page and find a source we can all agree is enough. Wikipedians and fans alike.
We all want to see Len's death acknowledged, but this is amounting to having to watch people argue with each other at someone's funeral. -- IcarusATB ( talk) 18:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Given that the Appelgate article ends with "Roleplaying has lost another of its founders. My condolences to friends, family, and fans", it is pretty obvious that Appelgate confirms Lakofka's death, although he does not list a date of death. Can we all agree that apparently Lakofka died in 2020 and at least change "(born 1944)" to "(1944–2020)", citing the Appelgate article as RS? Guinness323 ( talk) 19:00, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
It's only been a week, more or less. Until we get an official obituary, perhaps we can come up with wording we all agree is true (like what's been suggested) and after we've come to a consensus add a citation needed or {{cn}} tag to it, with a note in the code that it cannot be an unreliable source? or there's verification needed or they'll be marked as such. -- IcarusATB ( talk) 22:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
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Lenard has passed away on October 23rd, 2020. https://funeralnearme.com/lenard-lakofka-funeral/ Axelremain ( talk) 04:53, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
https://www.facebook.com/jeff.grubb/posts/10164136096710517 -- Jeff Grubb himself has verified this. FFS, people. You have no "proof" that he's alive any more than you do that he's dead. If you want to be truly "objective and unbiased", you've basically just created Schrödinger's D&D Author.
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I have added his date of death (October 23, 2020) as published in an obituary written by game historian Shannon Appelcline (author of Designers & Dragons, 2014).
[1] Appelcline is RS for the North American games industry, especially the field of role-playing games.
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Apparently all birth and death information in California is available on-line IF you are willing to pay a third party gatekeeper. So while I have been given "teasers" that Lenard Lakofka was born on 1 October 1944, and died in Palm Desert, Riverside County, California on 23 October 2020, I cannot reach his death certificate to confirm all of the above without paying for the privilege. Someone else with better on-line sleuthing skills or who is willing to pay may be able to access this. Guinness323 ( talk) 20:36, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Since there wasn't ever any resolution to any primary source for Len's death, I've looked into it some more. Apparently, California has changed its procedure, especially now that so much is done online during/after the pandemic. And now, they have a direct link to a particular online service which they do online orders through.
So, largely because I am the owner of GreyhawkOnline.com, I decided Len's passing shouldn't be a controversy, and that he deserves an official citation on Wikipedia.
I've ordered an "informational death certificate", and will in the not-too-distant future be able to offer a citation/annotation to the date, cause, location, etc. of Len's passing. I'll post details when it arrives. —— IcarusATB ( talk) 15:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
The State of California certainly took their time, but it finally came. The final information from Lakofka's death certificate has been entered, which included an actual full birth date, specific cause of death, and other details of his passing including the disposition of his ashes to his husband Gary.
If anyone knows a better {{template}} for citing a death certificate for the <ref> (since I didn't use one), please let me know or apply one for us. — IcarusATB ( talk) 21:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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This forum review of L1 has a response from Len with valuble info about his Lendore island campaign and the L series of modules, hopefully will be usefull to incorporate into this and related articles http://www.dragonsfoot.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10766&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=fdb3d845a48616276cb2c1ab4dc84000 - Waza 05:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
An early D&D player doesn't come across as a notable fact. Nor does it fit with normal bio styles. Similarly I am not sure if he is known as an author. So the introduction makes it seem like a non-notable person despite being very short. Tetron76 ( talk) 12:54, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
The references and content raise questions of notability. The comment in the external source interview implies that there should be several references for this person. So there could well be "presumed" sources There is an uncited section that would call into question the note of one of his contribution. The books have not been given their ISBN or publication details. Needs to make clear in this article what is his major contributions to warrant notability with some basic summary information for a non D&D person to understand. Tetron76 ( talk) 12:54, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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I'm hearing that Lenard Lakofka died on Friday, from Lord Gosumba (who is running an online Greyhawk talk-show that Lenard has been appearing in).
The Canonfire forums have a forum topic: Len Lakofka (Leomund) has passed.
I don't know if we need independent clarification, like a newspaper article. Both the above sources seem like reliable secondary soruces to me. Big Mac ( talk) 10:24, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
I've been watching the back-and-forth on this page for the last week.
The difficulty here isn't that we all know he died (because he did), or that anyone thinks he didn't. Obviously, it's the
Wikipedia:Verifiability.
I don't think any of the editors who've engaged in repeated Undo's and Reverts intend any disrespect toward Len, it's about Wikipedia standards for citation.
This is all kind of crappy to not be able to verify his passing and validate it for us as fans. But, it has it's own standards, and we don't get to break the rules - we follow them, or else we risk things like blocking and banning from system admins.
It's becoming troublesome to watch editors repeatedly undoing reverts despite multiple authors including "<!--please provide any information on his death with a reliable source per
WP:RS-->" in the infobox. It's being willfully ignored and is now risking venturing toward devolving into
disruptive editing and
Edit warring.
I'd like to see new links discussed here on the Talk page and find a source we can all agree is enough. Wikipedians and fans alike.
We all want to see Len's death acknowledged, but this is amounting to having to watch people argue with each other at someone's funeral. -- IcarusATB ( talk) 18:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Given that the Appelgate article ends with "Roleplaying has lost another of its founders. My condolences to friends, family, and fans", it is pretty obvious that Appelgate confirms Lakofka's death, although he does not list a date of death. Can we all agree that apparently Lakofka died in 2020 and at least change "(born 1944)" to "(1944–2020)", citing the Appelgate article as RS? Guinness323 ( talk) 19:00, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
It's only been a week, more or less. Until we get an official obituary, perhaps we can come up with wording we all agree is true (like what's been suggested) and after we've come to a consensus add a citation needed or {{cn}} tag to it, with a note in the code that it cannot be an unreliable source? or there's verification needed or they'll be marked as such. -- IcarusATB ( talk) 22:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
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Lenard has passed away on October 23rd, 2020. https://funeralnearme.com/lenard-lakofka-funeral/ Axelremain ( talk) 04:53, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
https://www.facebook.com/jeff.grubb/posts/10164136096710517 -- Jeff Grubb himself has verified this. FFS, people. You have no "proof" that he's alive any more than you do that he's dead. If you want to be truly "objective and unbiased", you've basically just created Schrödinger's D&D Author.
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I have added his date of death (October 23, 2020) as published in an obituary written by game historian Shannon Appelcline (author of Designers & Dragons, 2014).
[1] Appelcline is RS for the North American games industry, especially the field of role-playing games.
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07:35, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
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Apparently all birth and death information in California is available on-line IF you are willing to pay a third party gatekeeper. So while I have been given "teasers" that Lenard Lakofka was born on 1 October 1944, and died in Palm Desert, Riverside County, California on 23 October 2020, I cannot reach his death certificate to confirm all of the above without paying for the privilege. Someone else with better on-line sleuthing skills or who is willing to pay may be able to access this. Guinness323 ( talk) 20:36, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Since there wasn't ever any resolution to any primary source for Len's death, I've looked into it some more. Apparently, California has changed its procedure, especially now that so much is done online during/after the pandemic. And now, they have a direct link to a particular online service which they do online orders through.
So, largely because I am the owner of GreyhawkOnline.com, I decided Len's passing shouldn't be a controversy, and that he deserves an official citation on Wikipedia.
I've ordered an "informational death certificate", and will in the not-too-distant future be able to offer a citation/annotation to the date, cause, location, etc. of Len's passing. I'll post details when it arrives. —— IcarusATB ( talk) 15:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
The State of California certainly took their time, but it finally came. The final information from Lakofka's death certificate has been entered, which included an actual full birth date, specific cause of death, and other details of his passing including the disposition of his ashes to his husband Gary.
If anyone knows a better {{template}} for citing a death certificate for the <ref> (since I didn't use one), please let me know or apply one for us. — IcarusATB ( talk) 21:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)