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Ephrathite? I disagree... In Alma 31:10 3 And Aminadi was a descendant of Nephi, who was the son of Lehi, who came out of the land of Jerusalem, who was a descendant of Manasseh, who was the son of Joseph who was sold into Egypt by the hands of his brethren. I think we need a little more info for this to be useful... there are several promises that those of the tribe of Ephraim are eligible for. Maybe this statement is here because they qualify for some of these blessings?
--?? Who is this - unsigned?
"...and the fact that Mormonism is not grounded in fact." - I just wonder if this is an inflammatory...?
-- Darkpoet 16:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
As I read this article I realize the lack of historic, geological, and archeological references outside the BOM and/or internal writings. The article makes stipulations and assumptions about its own veracity. As Wikipedia user guidelines states the "encyclopedic content must be verifiable" by external material. Eternalyalive 01:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Again, "As I read this article I realize the lack of historic, geological, and archeological references outside the BOM and/or internal writings". All references used are from LDS/Mormon writers and publishers or from BYU sources. "As Wikipedia user guidelines states the "encyclopedic content must be verifiable" by external material" and by this I mean historical facts, local history records, recorded archeological discoveries, references from other books or legend of the same era. Sadly all these references that have been plugged in this article support the thought that LDS scholars and people with interest have published works that support their own beliefs and may not be necessarly historically supported. I would like to see jewish documents that would confirm the existance of Lehi, his friend Ishmail, and the other man named Zoram, the jews by law and culture (maybe even religion) where very specific when recording names and generations & tribes. If these 3 super wealthy guys and their huge families (according to the BOM) were able to slip through the jewish history books yet make a big impression somewere in Africa then we have yet another mistery to solve. Don't get me started with Mulek. Eternalyalive 01:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
This article simply discusses characters and events in a book. It does not need to take a position on whether the book is historically true or not, nor does it. Arguing about the historicity of the Book of Mormon is pointless and irrelevant to the purpose of the article. Ltbugaf ( talk) 21:49, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
No scholars nor scientists could prove this whole theory. That Lehi was invented and only exists in the book of Mormon. The article should mention the scientific facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:45:4950:ab51:c831:c46a:dc5:b6af ( talk • contribs) 16 November 2014
I was recently exposed to Bedouin story about Lehi (unpublished undergoing research, not mine), so the claim that Lehi exists only in Mormon book is looks to me as non valid right now -- Mmedvin ( talk) 17:50, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
This article simply discusses characters and events in a book. It does not need to take a position on whether the book is historically true or not, nor does it. Arguing about the historicity of the Book of Mormon is pointless and irrelevant to the purpose of the article. Ltbugaf (talk) 21:49, 17 January 2021 Ltbugaf ( talk) 21:50, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
How can one say that Lehi, who lived in 600BC have sailed to America which were discovered 1000 years later? you need at least give some explanation to this claim...otherwise it looks unreliable... If there is any known historical fact to this - you have to add it? -- Mmedvin ( talk) 17:44, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
WP:VERIFY WP:NOTRELIABLE WP:SELFPUBLISH Need a citation to objective evidence that these metal plates exist. Otherwise its unverifiable self published say so. DLH ( talk) 13:46, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
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From Bountiful, did they sail east across the Pacific? or south and west across the Atlantic?-- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 16:04, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
The Book of Mormon doesn't give the route. There is no definite answer to this question. Ltbugaf ( talk) 21:21, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
The paragraph on possible origin of the name states, "However, the Hebrew word and the Book of Mormon character name Lehi are not pronounced similarly." This is a superfluous comment. It seems intended to suggest the name Lehi is not of Hebrew origin, but it does not suggest that. The fact that English-speaking people say "LEE-high" whereas a Hebrew pronunciation would probably be more like "lekhee" is not relevant to whether the name has Hebrew origins. The English pronunciation of virtually every name in the Bible is also different from Hebrew pronunciations. Abraham, Moses, Elijah, Elisha, Obadiah, Zephaniah, and Malachi are just a few of the many examples. Ltbugaf ( talk) 21:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi Left Guide, I noticed that you added the paid contributions template. The instructions for this template state: "if you place this tag, you should promptly start a discussion on the article's talk page to explain why you tagged the article." It is true that my student, a paid contributor, Adri-at-BYU, has made substantial edits to this page. I believe they her revisions are within Wikipedia's guidelines for NPOV. Which sources do you believe are "compromising" (as you mentioned in your edit summary)? Rachel Helps (BYU) ( talk) 17:41, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Really? C'mon now;
wasting valuable time cleaning up messes
the church, as you put; the topic is Lehi, a figure named in the Book of Mormon. WP:INDEPENDENT states that a source lacks independence when it has a vested interest, or a
financial or legal relationship to the topic. In what way is the peer-reviewed academic periodical BYU Studies Quarterly financially or legally dependent on Lehi, a figure that appears in a public domain book from 1830?
the church; but which church? The Book of Mormon is a text considered religiously significant by numerous denominations of the Latter Day Saint movement, and the founding dates of all extant Latter Day Saint denominations postdate the production and publication of the Book of Mormon (published in March 1830). Or do you mean to consider all Christian-affiliated writers and presses non-independent of Job or Paul? Wikipedia's own voice of course adheres to a NPOV, but that on its own isn't grounds for excising any all sources with religious background. P-Makoto (she/her) ( talk) 02:32, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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Ephrathite? I disagree... In Alma 31:10 3 And Aminadi was a descendant of Nephi, who was the son of Lehi, who came out of the land of Jerusalem, who was a descendant of Manasseh, who was the son of Joseph who was sold into Egypt by the hands of his brethren. I think we need a little more info for this to be useful... there are several promises that those of the tribe of Ephraim are eligible for. Maybe this statement is here because they qualify for some of these blessings?
--?? Who is this - unsigned?
"...and the fact that Mormonism is not grounded in fact." - I just wonder if this is an inflammatory...?
-- Darkpoet 16:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
As I read this article I realize the lack of historic, geological, and archeological references outside the BOM and/or internal writings. The article makes stipulations and assumptions about its own veracity. As Wikipedia user guidelines states the "encyclopedic content must be verifiable" by external material. Eternalyalive 01:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Again, "As I read this article I realize the lack of historic, geological, and archeological references outside the BOM and/or internal writings". All references used are from LDS/Mormon writers and publishers or from BYU sources. "As Wikipedia user guidelines states the "encyclopedic content must be verifiable" by external material" and by this I mean historical facts, local history records, recorded archeological discoveries, references from other books or legend of the same era. Sadly all these references that have been plugged in this article support the thought that LDS scholars and people with interest have published works that support their own beliefs and may not be necessarly historically supported. I would like to see jewish documents that would confirm the existance of Lehi, his friend Ishmail, and the other man named Zoram, the jews by law and culture (maybe even religion) where very specific when recording names and generations & tribes. If these 3 super wealthy guys and their huge families (according to the BOM) were able to slip through the jewish history books yet make a big impression somewere in Africa then we have yet another mistery to solve. Don't get me started with Mulek. Eternalyalive 01:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
This article simply discusses characters and events in a book. It does not need to take a position on whether the book is historically true or not, nor does it. Arguing about the historicity of the Book of Mormon is pointless and irrelevant to the purpose of the article. Ltbugaf ( talk) 21:49, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
No scholars nor scientists could prove this whole theory. That Lehi was invented and only exists in the book of Mormon. The article should mention the scientific facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:45:4950:ab51:c831:c46a:dc5:b6af ( talk • contribs) 16 November 2014
I was recently exposed to Bedouin story about Lehi (unpublished undergoing research, not mine), so the claim that Lehi exists only in Mormon book is looks to me as non valid right now -- Mmedvin ( talk) 17:50, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
This article simply discusses characters and events in a book. It does not need to take a position on whether the book is historically true or not, nor does it. Arguing about the historicity of the Book of Mormon is pointless and irrelevant to the purpose of the article. Ltbugaf (talk) 21:49, 17 January 2021 Ltbugaf ( talk) 21:50, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
How can one say that Lehi, who lived in 600BC have sailed to America which were discovered 1000 years later? you need at least give some explanation to this claim...otherwise it looks unreliable... If there is any known historical fact to this - you have to add it? -- Mmedvin ( talk) 17:44, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
WP:VERIFY WP:NOTRELIABLE WP:SELFPUBLISH Need a citation to objective evidence that these metal plates exist. Otherwise its unverifiable self published say so. DLH ( talk) 13:46, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
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From Bountiful, did they sail east across the Pacific? or south and west across the Atlantic?-- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 16:04, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
The Book of Mormon doesn't give the route. There is no definite answer to this question. Ltbugaf ( talk) 21:21, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
The paragraph on possible origin of the name states, "However, the Hebrew word and the Book of Mormon character name Lehi are not pronounced similarly." This is a superfluous comment. It seems intended to suggest the name Lehi is not of Hebrew origin, but it does not suggest that. The fact that English-speaking people say "LEE-high" whereas a Hebrew pronunciation would probably be more like "lekhee" is not relevant to whether the name has Hebrew origins. The English pronunciation of virtually every name in the Bible is also different from Hebrew pronunciations. Abraham, Moses, Elijah, Elisha, Obadiah, Zephaniah, and Malachi are just a few of the many examples. Ltbugaf ( talk) 21:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi Left Guide, I noticed that you added the paid contributions template. The instructions for this template state: "if you place this tag, you should promptly start a discussion on the article's talk page to explain why you tagged the article." It is true that my student, a paid contributor, Adri-at-BYU, has made substantial edits to this page. I believe they her revisions are within Wikipedia's guidelines for NPOV. Which sources do you believe are "compromising" (as you mentioned in your edit summary)? Rachel Helps (BYU) ( talk) 17:41, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Really? C'mon now;
wasting valuable time cleaning up messes
the church, as you put; the topic is Lehi, a figure named in the Book of Mormon. WP:INDEPENDENT states that a source lacks independence when it has a vested interest, or a
financial or legal relationship to the topic. In what way is the peer-reviewed academic periodical BYU Studies Quarterly financially or legally dependent on Lehi, a figure that appears in a public domain book from 1830?
the church; but which church? The Book of Mormon is a text considered religiously significant by numerous denominations of the Latter Day Saint movement, and the founding dates of all extant Latter Day Saint denominations postdate the production and publication of the Book of Mormon (published in March 1830). Or do you mean to consider all Christian-affiliated writers and presses non-independent of Job or Paul? Wikipedia's own voice of course adheres to a NPOV, but that on its own isn't grounds for excising any all sources with religious background. P-Makoto (she/her) ( talk) 02:32, 1 February 2024 (UTC)