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The "Five Years Later" section seems rather biased to me. I'm at a loss to sort it out, however. Perhaps someone with a more delicate touch can get rid of the POV? Thanks! -- GentlemanGhost 12:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
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Is the Legion timeline the "real" future of the DC Universe, or just another alternate timeline? Bluecatcinema 12:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Although the term "Threeboot" is no longer a part of this article, it is used in several ancillary articles. [1] It might be worthwhile to change those articles so that either the term is explained, it links to the appropriate section of this article, or it is replaced with a term more comprehensible to the uninitiated. -- GentlemanGhost 23:16, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I can find nothing to support the uncited claim that the Karate Kid movies licensed the character name. Unless a reliable source can be found, I recommend deleting the statement. 68.146.8.46 00:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
86.156.16.* - This is getting tedious. It's not the original pre-Crisis Legion for reasons cited (and subsequently removed). We don't yet know how and where this Legion fits into continuity, so for now it's the "Lightning Saga" Legion. Why do you keep insisting on replacing this with "Original" Legion? We've got "Legion of Three Worlds" coming up this fall, why not wait until we find out what's really going on before proclaiming this is the real, original one?
And as for the "Other Media" section being fleshed out - what do you consider fleshed out, a listing of every Legion-related action figure, a listing of every trading card from every series, every Vs. System card? I can do that, but it would make this entry twice as long, and besides this is not the place for a checklist. -- Wizardimps 05:22, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I have never read anything that clearly said the new show is separate from the previous ones. I know there have been several references to things from the previous series, including the spider robots from the "World's Finest" episodes of Superman. The nature of time travel waves away any issues concerning the Legion's first meeting with Superman. Can anyone clarify this situation? -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 05:37, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
The article claims that the version where Giffen was plotting and came up with SW6 as well as the Post-Zero Hour versions are both v4; which is it? Darquis 05:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
For the uninitiated, here is an explanation of the various volume numbers of "Legion of Super-Heroes":
Vol. 1 - reprints
Vol. 2 - formerly "Superboy", starts with issue 259, later becomes "Tales of the Legion of Super-Heroes"
Vol. 3 - includes the Legion of Super-Villains war, the death of Superboy, the "last" Time Trapper story, etc. And of course, "Crisis on Infinte Earths". Ends with the Magic Wars.
Vol. 4 - "Five Years Later", the Glorithverse reboot, the SW6 Legionnaires (which get their own book), "Zero Hour" and the first major reboot. Ends with the Blight.
-- "Legion Lost" and "Legion Worlds" miniseries
-- "The Legion" ongoing series. Post-Zero Hour continuity ends with the "Teen Titans/Legion Special"
Vol. 5 - "Threeboot": The Legion is an intergalactic movement, with a core group of superpowered members based on Earth. After "Infinte Crisis", Supergirl arrives from the 21st century and joins.
--- Concurrently with Vol. 5, The Lightning Saga in JLA and JSA and the Superman and the Legion story arc in "Action Comics" demonstrate the appearance of a second Legion (apparently from another Earth) which appears to share the history of the pre-Crisis Legion. Superman was a member as a teenager (but was not called "Superboy").
ABCxyz ( talk) 02:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 19:14, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 19:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
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I noticed today that Marcus Brute split off the Publication History of the Legion into its own separate article. He did the same with the Publications section. While I can see some logic to the latter split, I cannot see the sense of moving the publication history into a separate article. The publication history was the heart of the existing article, and it constituted about two-thirds of the article. I believe it should remain here, not given its separate article.
I'm also a bit surprised that no opinions were solicited here on the discussion page before the two splits. Isn't that standard procedure? At the very least, some explanation might be given here. Why was the split made? Spiderboy12 ( talk) 04:03, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
The current publication history is much too long. As its says in Wikipedia:Layout, "Very short or very long sections and subsections in an article look cluttered and inhibit its flow." The section on the entire history of the LSH should be at most a few paragraphs. The way the article is currently written it's longer than many much more notable characters ( Spider-Man and X-Men for instance). Placing a slimmed-down version of the history in the article, with a longer version in a separate article fixes the layout problem.-- Marcus Brute ( talk) 07:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Since the split was reverted I've turned the list of publications into a redirect to here as we can't have two parallel versions of the same content.
Although I don't see any big problems with length as this a team that has been around for 50 years we can take some pointers from other articles to keep things readable. Such important articles tend to spawn sub-articles.
That should help free up some space and keep the publication history more focused here. There aren't many other places that space could be saved (although this may be worth running past WT:CMC for ideas) although one thing that it might be worth thinking about is Legion of Super-Heroes (comic book) to look at the publication of that series (along the lines of Superman (comic book) and Batman (comic book)) - it would need to be done carefully and you'd need to have the article looking solid before trimming back sections here. For now I think the two points above should be enough for now though.
Also can anyone explain the cleanup tag? The article appears to conform to the Manual of Style and I can't see any major problems - rather than leaving us trying to guess what it is addressing it would help if this was pointed out so it can be fixed. ( Emperor ( talk) 18:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC))
This article lists the "Absolute Power" Legion as their own group separate from any other continuity. At the end of that story, they're specifically referred to as the Adult Legion, which would make them fall clearly under the Pre-Zero Hour team. Am I wrong?
"By the series' end, it is revealed that the original and SW6 teams (in their entirety) inhabits a universe parallel to the one currently featured in mainstream DC continuity" This sentence has been added to a few pages now, but I'm not sure it's entirely accurate. The scene in the issue is not really that clear as to if they are actually from a parallel universe or alternate timelines.. or whatnot... I don't think this sort of sentence should be added to these articles at this point. Spanneraol ( talk) 22:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 |
The "Five Years Later" section seems rather biased to me. I'm at a loss to sort it out, however. Perhaps someone with a more delicate touch can get rid of the POV? Thanks! -- GentlemanGhost 12:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Image:1413 400x600.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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Is the Legion timeline the "real" future of the DC Universe, or just another alternate timeline? Bluecatcinema 12:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Although the term "Threeboot" is no longer a part of this article, it is used in several ancillary articles. [1] It might be worthwhile to change those articles so that either the term is explained, it links to the appropriate section of this article, or it is replaced with a term more comprehensible to the uninitiated. -- GentlemanGhost 23:16, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I can find nothing to support the uncited claim that the Karate Kid movies licensed the character name. Unless a reliable source can be found, I recommend deleting the statement. 68.146.8.46 00:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
86.156.16.* - This is getting tedious. It's not the original pre-Crisis Legion for reasons cited (and subsequently removed). We don't yet know how and where this Legion fits into continuity, so for now it's the "Lightning Saga" Legion. Why do you keep insisting on replacing this with "Original" Legion? We've got "Legion of Three Worlds" coming up this fall, why not wait until we find out what's really going on before proclaiming this is the real, original one?
And as for the "Other Media" section being fleshed out - what do you consider fleshed out, a listing of every Legion-related action figure, a listing of every trading card from every series, every Vs. System card? I can do that, but it would make this entry twice as long, and besides this is not the place for a checklist. -- Wizardimps 05:22, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I have never read anything that clearly said the new show is separate from the previous ones. I know there have been several references to things from the previous series, including the spider robots from the "World's Finest" episodes of Superman. The nature of time travel waves away any issues concerning the Legion's first meeting with Superman. Can anyone clarify this situation? -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 05:37, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
The article claims that the version where Giffen was plotting and came up with SW6 as well as the Post-Zero Hour versions are both v4; which is it? Darquis 05:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
For the uninitiated, here is an explanation of the various volume numbers of "Legion of Super-Heroes":
Vol. 1 - reprints
Vol. 2 - formerly "Superboy", starts with issue 259, later becomes "Tales of the Legion of Super-Heroes"
Vol. 3 - includes the Legion of Super-Villains war, the death of Superboy, the "last" Time Trapper story, etc. And of course, "Crisis on Infinte Earths". Ends with the Magic Wars.
Vol. 4 - "Five Years Later", the Glorithverse reboot, the SW6 Legionnaires (which get their own book), "Zero Hour" and the first major reboot. Ends with the Blight.
-- "Legion Lost" and "Legion Worlds" miniseries
-- "The Legion" ongoing series. Post-Zero Hour continuity ends with the "Teen Titans/Legion Special"
Vol. 5 - "Threeboot": The Legion is an intergalactic movement, with a core group of superpowered members based on Earth. After "Infinte Crisis", Supergirl arrives from the 21st century and joins.
--- Concurrently with Vol. 5, The Lightning Saga in JLA and JSA and the Superman and the Legion story arc in "Action Comics" demonstrate the appearance of a second Legion (apparently from another Earth) which appears to share the history of the pre-Crisis Legion. Superman was a member as a teenager (but was not called "Superboy").
ABCxyz ( talk) 02:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Image:Adv300cover.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot ( talk) 19:14, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 19:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject. If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class. The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. For further details please contact the Comics WikiProject. Comics-awb ( talk) 16:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I noticed today that Marcus Brute split off the Publication History of the Legion into its own separate article. He did the same with the Publications section. While I can see some logic to the latter split, I cannot see the sense of moving the publication history into a separate article. The publication history was the heart of the existing article, and it constituted about two-thirds of the article. I believe it should remain here, not given its separate article.
I'm also a bit surprised that no opinions were solicited here on the discussion page before the two splits. Isn't that standard procedure? At the very least, some explanation might be given here. Why was the split made? Spiderboy12 ( talk) 04:03, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
The current publication history is much too long. As its says in Wikipedia:Layout, "Very short or very long sections and subsections in an article look cluttered and inhibit its flow." The section on the entire history of the LSH should be at most a few paragraphs. The way the article is currently written it's longer than many much more notable characters ( Spider-Man and X-Men for instance). Placing a slimmed-down version of the history in the article, with a longer version in a separate article fixes the layout problem.-- Marcus Brute ( talk) 07:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Since the split was reverted I've turned the list of publications into a redirect to here as we can't have two parallel versions of the same content.
Although I don't see any big problems with length as this a team that has been around for 50 years we can take some pointers from other articles to keep things readable. Such important articles tend to spawn sub-articles.
That should help free up some space and keep the publication history more focused here. There aren't many other places that space could be saved (although this may be worth running past WT:CMC for ideas) although one thing that it might be worth thinking about is Legion of Super-Heroes (comic book) to look at the publication of that series (along the lines of Superman (comic book) and Batman (comic book)) - it would need to be done carefully and you'd need to have the article looking solid before trimming back sections here. For now I think the two points above should be enough for now though.
Also can anyone explain the cleanup tag? The article appears to conform to the Manual of Style and I can't see any major problems - rather than leaving us trying to guess what it is addressing it would help if this was pointed out so it can be fixed. ( Emperor ( talk) 18:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC))
This article lists the "Absolute Power" Legion as their own group separate from any other continuity. At the end of that story, they're specifically referred to as the Adult Legion, which would make them fall clearly under the Pre-Zero Hour team. Am I wrong?
"By the series' end, it is revealed that the original and SW6 teams (in their entirety) inhabits a universe parallel to the one currently featured in mainstream DC continuity" This sentence has been added to a few pages now, but I'm not sure it's entirely accurate. The scene in the issue is not really that clear as to if they are actually from a parallel universe or alternate timelines.. or whatnot... I don't think this sort of sentence should be added to these articles at this point. Spanneraol ( talk) 22:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)