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I can produce episode listings, gleaned from notes made while watching, if appropriate.
Both for the current 30 or so episodes, and also for about 178 of the old ones. -- SportWagon approx. 21 October 2005
http://www.dukevideo.com/products/1068.htm is among web results which indicate that Murray Walker's father was named Graham and did do motor racing commentary. I believe the Legends Episodes he did were the BRSCC ones, but I could be mistaken and/or he could have done others. -- SportWagon approx. 21 October 2005
I knew I should have created something like Legends of Motorsport (TV Series) from the outset.
Legends of Motorsport is also a band. http://www.mushroommusic.com.au/artist/artist.asp?id=69
I believe the music on the newest episodes has changed. I never hear the older one anymore. But does anyone know what the theme music for the original was? I so wished to at least have saved it untitled, if not find out the title/artist, but didn't get a chance as they do not air it anymore. Peoplesunionpro 04:09, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
In addition to the style problems, this article also seems to not be exactly NPOV. Even where NPOV seems to be fine, it's still hard to understand. (I probably should have tagged for rewriting, but oh well.) Someone should go and fix these issues, as this will not be easy enough for me to handle. -- WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Matthead left the following after editing
Specifically, he changed "commentator. Now" to "commentator - now".-- SportWagon 22:42, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I see no discussion here of what points the nominator was disputing.
I had to think about it to realize that my overall bias was a liking of the old Speedvision channel, and some dislike for the new FOX-owned SPEED channel. That probably creates a subtle bias, masked by my writing style which tends to use qualification to moderate impact. ("Not exactly NPOV") While rewriting to fix other points with regard to Speedvision/SPEED history, I will try to bear that in mind.
I may add a couple of sentences that will cause a lot of readers to think my opinionated "Sadly". Essentially LoM was a rare opportunity for television viewers to do first-hand historical research. Its cutting back by FOX/SPEED reduces that opportunity.
After much thought, I did manage to find concrete reasons why the article is diffult-to-understand for many readers
-- SportWagon 17:25, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
-- SportWagon
I here describe the process by which I decided to write this article. The narration here, therefore, describes things beginning in October, 2005.
So, I noticed the article on SPEED Channel had an unsatisfied link to Legends of Motorsport.
So I thought, "Well, I know a little about Legends of Motorsport, so I ought to be able to write the article.".
And so I tried.
Now, it turns out, over the years, I had been conducting, essentially, casual original research into the Legends of Motorsport series, by watching taped copies, allowing me to review parts in detail, and helping me to compile the episode lists I mentioned. So I do personally know a lot about Legends of Motorsport, and feel I can speak about it, although as an outside observer, with some level of authority.
But when I write an article about it, one can argue I am publishing original research.
Currently, we have available on the web the citation I give, and the transient listings of episodes coming in the next five weeks.
Based on that, it seems difficult, at any arbitrary moment in time, to verify all of what I say.
When reading the guidelines, I think I might have misinterpreted the meaning of "research" to mean "generation of truly new information", whereas it seems it is regarded here as any first-order gathering of information.
That it might be inappropriate for me to embellish my article with any further information seems unfortunate. Surely I am not the first would-be contributor to fall in to this situation? I am I now interpreting the Wikipedia No Original Research (NOR) policy too harshly? Or merely correctly? Rereading it, the focus of that page does appear to mostly discuss theories, not history. (The question came up, actually, in a discussion on trying to pin down the etymology of "suicide door"; see Talk:Suicide_door, in particular the section with "Erroneous?" in its title).
Ultimately, one could contact SPEED Channel in Charlotte, and ask them to confirm or deny the truth of what I say, although I don't know enough about how television station records and archives work to know whether they would be able to.
I will attempt to go and look at other television show entries, and see if I can figure anything out that way.
But perhaps compare my article with
Is the biography of those individuals considered research?
It would seem there is much information there without immediately cited sources. In fact, Alain de Cadenet has no external citations.
-- SportWagon 19:36, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
With a web search I just found www.nad.org which lists Legends of Motorsport as
Disapproved TV Programs for U.S. Department of Education Captioning Support
Oh. Apparently that was in 2003. I believe the NAD (National Association of the Deaf) is merely reporting the news. I.e. it was not they who did the disapproving.-- SportWagon 19:33, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-episodes/legends-of-motorsport/?sb=0&si=1&ipp=40 -- SportWagon ( talk) 22:24, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
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09:55, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
For what it is worth.
The internet/world-wide-web is still not really an accountable source of historical information.
I recall this as my only authorship (i.e. page creation) contribution. And will attempt to verify that.
--
SportWagon (
talk)
20:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
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I can produce episode listings, gleaned from notes made while watching, if appropriate.
Both for the current 30 or so episodes, and also for about 178 of the old ones. -- SportWagon approx. 21 October 2005
http://www.dukevideo.com/products/1068.htm is among web results which indicate that Murray Walker's father was named Graham and did do motor racing commentary. I believe the Legends Episodes he did were the BRSCC ones, but I could be mistaken and/or he could have done others. -- SportWagon approx. 21 October 2005
I knew I should have created something like Legends of Motorsport (TV Series) from the outset.
Legends of Motorsport is also a band. http://www.mushroommusic.com.au/artist/artist.asp?id=69
I believe the music on the newest episodes has changed. I never hear the older one anymore. But does anyone know what the theme music for the original was? I so wished to at least have saved it untitled, if not find out the title/artist, but didn't get a chance as they do not air it anymore. Peoplesunionpro 04:09, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
In addition to the style problems, this article also seems to not be exactly NPOV. Even where NPOV seems to be fine, it's still hard to understand. (I probably should have tagged for rewriting, but oh well.) Someone should go and fix these issues, as this will not be easy enough for me to handle. -- WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Matthead left the following after editing
Specifically, he changed "commentator. Now" to "commentator - now".-- SportWagon 22:42, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I see no discussion here of what points the nominator was disputing.
I had to think about it to realize that my overall bias was a liking of the old Speedvision channel, and some dislike for the new FOX-owned SPEED channel. That probably creates a subtle bias, masked by my writing style which tends to use qualification to moderate impact. ("Not exactly NPOV") While rewriting to fix other points with regard to Speedvision/SPEED history, I will try to bear that in mind.
I may add a couple of sentences that will cause a lot of readers to think my opinionated "Sadly". Essentially LoM was a rare opportunity for television viewers to do first-hand historical research. Its cutting back by FOX/SPEED reduces that opportunity.
After much thought, I did manage to find concrete reasons why the article is diffult-to-understand for many readers
-- SportWagon 17:25, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
-- SportWagon
I here describe the process by which I decided to write this article. The narration here, therefore, describes things beginning in October, 2005.
So, I noticed the article on SPEED Channel had an unsatisfied link to Legends of Motorsport.
So I thought, "Well, I know a little about Legends of Motorsport, so I ought to be able to write the article.".
And so I tried.
Now, it turns out, over the years, I had been conducting, essentially, casual original research into the Legends of Motorsport series, by watching taped copies, allowing me to review parts in detail, and helping me to compile the episode lists I mentioned. So I do personally know a lot about Legends of Motorsport, and feel I can speak about it, although as an outside observer, with some level of authority.
But when I write an article about it, one can argue I am publishing original research.
Currently, we have available on the web the citation I give, and the transient listings of episodes coming in the next five weeks.
Based on that, it seems difficult, at any arbitrary moment in time, to verify all of what I say.
When reading the guidelines, I think I might have misinterpreted the meaning of "research" to mean "generation of truly new information", whereas it seems it is regarded here as any first-order gathering of information.
That it might be inappropriate for me to embellish my article with any further information seems unfortunate. Surely I am not the first would-be contributor to fall in to this situation? I am I now interpreting the Wikipedia No Original Research (NOR) policy too harshly? Or merely correctly? Rereading it, the focus of that page does appear to mostly discuss theories, not history. (The question came up, actually, in a discussion on trying to pin down the etymology of "suicide door"; see Talk:Suicide_door, in particular the section with "Erroneous?" in its title).
Ultimately, one could contact SPEED Channel in Charlotte, and ask them to confirm or deny the truth of what I say, although I don't know enough about how television station records and archives work to know whether they would be able to.
I will attempt to go and look at other television show entries, and see if I can figure anything out that way.
But perhaps compare my article with
Is the biography of those individuals considered research?
It would seem there is much information there without immediately cited sources. In fact, Alain de Cadenet has no external citations.
-- SportWagon 19:36, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
With a web search I just found www.nad.org which lists Legends of Motorsport as
Disapproved TV Programs for U.S. Department of Education Captioning Support
Oh. Apparently that was in 2003. I believe the NAD (National Association of the Deaf) is merely reporting the news. I.e. it was not they who did the disapproving.-- SportWagon 19:33, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-episodes/legends-of-motorsport/?sb=0&si=1&ipp=40 -- SportWagon ( talk) 22:24, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
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Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 04:19, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
This page mostly stands alone. Links die. Sadly, perhaps even archive links will die.
The internet/world-wide-web is not really an accountable source of historical information.
--
SportWagon (
talk)
09:55, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
For what it is worth.
The internet/world-wide-web is still not really an accountable source of historical information.
I recall this as my only authorship (i.e. page creation) contribution. And will attempt to verify that.
--
SportWagon (
talk)
20:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)