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In this linked article you mention 17 countires. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#cite_ref-171). But in the present article, it is missing Canada, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Australia, and Slovakia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.188.112.2 ( talk) 22:30, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I noticed some of these quote a lot of material, when only a small part of it is the part that would be the ban on Holocaust denial, so I'm bolding those parts to help the reader find them.—Preceding unsigned comment added by MrVoluntarist ( talk • contribs) 23:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
some of these crimes are nothing to do with the holocaust deniat .either the title of the page should be changed or some of the countries where only race crimes are mentioned should be removed. ( Off2riorob ( talk) 15:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC))
The entry for the European Union is misleading because it is not a law it is a directive. For a directive to be implemented as a law it has to be enacted in the individual states of the European Union. A much more balanced section on the laws of the European Union's members on this directive is available at Holocaust denial#European Union -- PBS ( talk) 18:35, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Should it not be noted that these countries do not practice freedom of speech or expression? Lostinlodos ( talk) 21:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
he got 1 year and 2 probation...least i think so.... ( 89.184.41.127 ( talk) 20:11, 5 September 2009 (UTC))
In France, the Gayssot Act, voted for on July 13, 1990, makes it illegal to question the existence of the category of crimes against humanity as defined in the London Charter of 1945, on the basis of which Nazi leaders were convicted by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-46.
Is it illegal to question the existance of this category?? Unlikely so. I think the sentence should be: In France, the Gayssot Act, voted for on July 13, 1990, makes it illegal to question the existence of crimes that fall in the category of crimes against humanity as defined in the London Charter of 1945, on the basis of which Nazi leaders were convicted by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-46. Annika27 ( talk) 11:14, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
A "Prosecutions and convictions" section was added to this article in July. However, it does not appear that most of the people in the table there were actually convicted of Holocaust denial; rather, they were convicted of things like "inciting racial hatred", "denying crimes against humanity", etc. typically based on their Holocaust denial. Given that this is an article specifically on "Laws against Holocaust denial", should the article only list people who were actually convicted using laws specifically against Holocaust denial? Jayjg (talk) 17:18, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Should Spain be here at all now? Or maybe listed separately? There is a huge chasm between asserting or offering evidence that a crime didn't happen (denial), or not exactly as described (revisionism), and justifying it. Hardly anyone in their right mind is going to justify extermination of an ethnic group. Revisionists, by the very act of saying it didn't happen, cannot be justifying it. Other countries do explicitly outlaw "denial". Spain, it would appear, no longer does. Channelwatcher ( talk) 17:07, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Im adding the Censorship template, also I want to know where is the concensus that its against the template. -- Realxsalo ( talk) 21:14, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
The below from the Anti-Defamation Commission of B'nai B'rith (Australia):
This case is mentioned in our article's Prosecutions and convictions table. -- 173.76.67.74 ( talk) 15:11, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello, There's only european laws, but in the world there are more countries in North America, South America, Asia, Africa, etc... I think this article lacks info. I will try to put more law, but sadly I have no time now, so please could somebody add more laws against Holocaust denial (and/or genocide if possible)? Thanks for your work.
It seems to me both title and body of this article are misleading.
This entry as whole suggests that many countries have laws specifically targeting Holocaust Denial, yet it does not contain citations to support his.
in the legal texts cited:
-only 2 out of 17 countries make a direct reference to holocaust or Jews,
-I think not half of them name Nazi or National Socialism
in the editorial parts:
-I think the word Holocaust is used 37 times, and nearly for all 17 countries
-a statement like "Many countries also have broader laws that criminalize genocide denial." suggests that many countries have laws that specifically target the Holocaust, but one can not confirm that based on the legal texts as cited here
-based on the legal quotes, my attempt at a fair title would be: laws on the denial or justification of genocide or crimes against humanity in general
41.205.230.233 ( talk) 09:03, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Someone recently replaced the map showing countries that have laws against Holocaust denial adding Russia, Italy and Greece but they aren't mentioned in the article. Raquel Baranow ( talk) 00:54, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
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There are legal consequences for holocaust denial in Canada, based on the Race Vilification Act of 1946 (Saskatchewan) later adapted nationally, and Neo-nazi Holocaust revisionist Ernst Zundel who briefly lived in Toronto in the 1980s and 1990s was charged for holocaust denial, he written articles, books and created videos with his historical revisionist beliefs on the Holocaust. 67.49.89.214 ( talk) 00:43, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
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Should there be an extra section here about Poland’s recent laws denying any Polish involvement in the Holocaust, which has been widely rebuked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.32.240.68 ( talk) 14:01, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
In Brazil there was a case in which a holocaust denier has been charged by the supreme court, and laws have been passed.
As explained in the second link, it is a crime to:
Write, edit, disclose and sell publications "in favour of prejudicial and discriminatory ideas" Against the Jewish community (Law 7716/89, article 20, redacted through law 8081/90) constitutes crime of racism subject to clauses of unsafability and imprescriptibility (CF, art 5th, XLII). -- Pinnecco ( talk) 14:35, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Surely these types of laws have had critics on the grounds of free speech, especially from those free speech advocates who agree that the holocaust happened but disagree with banning speech that argues otherwise. Also, I haven't look in depth on this issue, but is there also any disagreement with how the laws define holocaust denial, such as laws that banning disagreement over certain "facts" about the holocaust even if you don't disagree that the holocaust happened? If someone argue that only 4 million Jews dies in the holocaust rather then 6 million, would that qualify as holocaust denial under any of the listed definition, even though 4 million dead Jews would certainly have still qualified it as a holocaust otherwise? We could use some info in the article on concerns by non-holocaust deniers, especially free speech advocates, regarding any or all of these laws where they exists. -- Notcharliechaplin ( talk) 00:24, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Can anyone find a trial in which the law was applied in Israel? I don't think it ever was (especially since the law itself states that the Attorney-General must consent to its application in any specific case), and I'm not sure that it would hold up in an Israeli court today. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 23:54, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello, https://www.mzv.cz/old/wwwo/default.asp?id=46561&ido=13925&idj=2&amb=3 This points to what is basically a 404 not found page. I've tried searching for this but I've been unable to find it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.245.126.95 ( talk) 10:16, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 22:56, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Laws against Holocaust denial → Legality of Holocaust denial – Article covers both jurisdictions where it is legal and jurisdicitions where it is banned, compare Legality of child pornography. b uidh e 21:41, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
This article misses a section with arguments in favor of those laws. 109.43.49.77 ( talk) 15:27, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
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From Finland's national news service: https://yle.fi/a/74-20047962
and https://www.timesofisrael.com/after-minister-joked-about-nazis-finland-moves-to-criminalize-holocaust-denial/ 2001:14BB:64F:5687:0:0:188D:3F01 ( talk) 11:10, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
The article states:
"In May 2014, Russia's President Vladimir Putin signed a law making the denial of Nazi crimes and "wittingly spreading false information about the activity of the USSR during the years of World War Two" or portraying Nazis as heroes a criminal offence."
That has nothing to do with holocaust denial. 79.106.203.101 ( talk) 11:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
The entry for Canada states:
"The legality of Holocaust denial in Canada has come up in several court cases. In R v Zundel, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that Ernst Zündel, a German-born immigrant, who was a prolific Holocaust denier, could not be convicted for "spreading of false news", as it would be against Canada's Charter guarantee of free expression. According to The Canadian Press, the federal government announced a bill in 2022 that will change the Criminal Code to outlaw Holocaust denial and similar forms of antisemitic hate speech. As of 23 June 2022, the willful promotion of antisemitism is illegal in Canada. Persons found guilty of wilfully promoting antisemitism by "condoning, denying or downplaying the Holocaust" may receive a prison sentence not more than 2 years or a summary conviction."
This is a contradiction of laws. So which is true? 79.106.203.101 ( talk) 11:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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In this linked article you mention 17 countires. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#cite_ref-171). But in the present article, it is missing Canada, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Australia, and Slovakia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.188.112.2 ( talk) 22:30, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I noticed some of these quote a lot of material, when only a small part of it is the part that would be the ban on Holocaust denial, so I'm bolding those parts to help the reader find them.—Preceding unsigned comment added by MrVoluntarist ( talk • contribs) 23:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
some of these crimes are nothing to do with the holocaust deniat .either the title of the page should be changed or some of the countries where only race crimes are mentioned should be removed. ( Off2riorob ( talk) 15:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC))
The entry for the European Union is misleading because it is not a law it is a directive. For a directive to be implemented as a law it has to be enacted in the individual states of the European Union. A much more balanced section on the laws of the European Union's members on this directive is available at Holocaust denial#European Union -- PBS ( talk) 18:35, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Should it not be noted that these countries do not practice freedom of speech or expression? Lostinlodos ( talk) 21:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
he got 1 year and 2 probation...least i think so.... ( 89.184.41.127 ( talk) 20:11, 5 September 2009 (UTC))
In France, the Gayssot Act, voted for on July 13, 1990, makes it illegal to question the existence of the category of crimes against humanity as defined in the London Charter of 1945, on the basis of which Nazi leaders were convicted by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-46.
Is it illegal to question the existance of this category?? Unlikely so. I think the sentence should be: In France, the Gayssot Act, voted for on July 13, 1990, makes it illegal to question the existence of crimes that fall in the category of crimes against humanity as defined in the London Charter of 1945, on the basis of which Nazi leaders were convicted by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-46. Annika27 ( talk) 11:14, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
A "Prosecutions and convictions" section was added to this article in July. However, it does not appear that most of the people in the table there were actually convicted of Holocaust denial; rather, they were convicted of things like "inciting racial hatred", "denying crimes against humanity", etc. typically based on their Holocaust denial. Given that this is an article specifically on "Laws against Holocaust denial", should the article only list people who were actually convicted using laws specifically against Holocaust denial? Jayjg (talk) 17:18, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Should Spain be here at all now? Or maybe listed separately? There is a huge chasm between asserting or offering evidence that a crime didn't happen (denial), or not exactly as described (revisionism), and justifying it. Hardly anyone in their right mind is going to justify extermination of an ethnic group. Revisionists, by the very act of saying it didn't happen, cannot be justifying it. Other countries do explicitly outlaw "denial". Spain, it would appear, no longer does. Channelwatcher ( talk) 17:07, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Im adding the Censorship template, also I want to know where is the concensus that its against the template. -- Realxsalo ( talk) 21:14, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
The below from the Anti-Defamation Commission of B'nai B'rith (Australia):
This case is mentioned in our article's Prosecutions and convictions table. -- 173.76.67.74 ( talk) 15:11, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Hello, There's only european laws, but in the world there are more countries in North America, South America, Asia, Africa, etc... I think this article lacks info. I will try to put more law, but sadly I have no time now, so please could somebody add more laws against Holocaust denial (and/or genocide if possible)? Thanks for your work.
It seems to me both title and body of this article are misleading.
This entry as whole suggests that many countries have laws specifically targeting Holocaust Denial, yet it does not contain citations to support his.
in the legal texts cited:
-only 2 out of 17 countries make a direct reference to holocaust or Jews,
-I think not half of them name Nazi or National Socialism
in the editorial parts:
-I think the word Holocaust is used 37 times, and nearly for all 17 countries
-a statement like "Many countries also have broader laws that criminalize genocide denial." suggests that many countries have laws that specifically target the Holocaust, but one can not confirm that based on the legal texts as cited here
-based on the legal quotes, my attempt at a fair title would be: laws on the denial or justification of genocide or crimes against humanity in general
41.205.230.233 ( talk) 09:03, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Someone recently replaced the map showing countries that have laws against Holocaust denial adding Russia, Italy and Greece but they aren't mentioned in the article. Raquel Baranow ( talk) 00:54, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
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Should there be an extra section here about Poland’s recent laws denying any Polish involvement in the Holocaust, which has been widely rebuked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.32.240.68 ( talk) 14:01, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
In Brazil there was a case in which a holocaust denier has been charged by the supreme court, and laws have been passed.
As explained in the second link, it is a crime to:
Write, edit, disclose and sell publications "in favour of prejudicial and discriminatory ideas" Against the Jewish community (Law 7716/89, article 20, redacted through law 8081/90) constitutes crime of racism subject to clauses of unsafability and imprescriptibility (CF, art 5th, XLII). -- Pinnecco ( talk) 14:35, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Surely these types of laws have had critics on the grounds of free speech, especially from those free speech advocates who agree that the holocaust happened but disagree with banning speech that argues otherwise. Also, I haven't look in depth on this issue, but is there also any disagreement with how the laws define holocaust denial, such as laws that banning disagreement over certain "facts" about the holocaust even if you don't disagree that the holocaust happened? If someone argue that only 4 million Jews dies in the holocaust rather then 6 million, would that qualify as holocaust denial under any of the listed definition, even though 4 million dead Jews would certainly have still qualified it as a holocaust otherwise? We could use some info in the article on concerns by non-holocaust deniers, especially free speech advocates, regarding any or all of these laws where they exists. -- Notcharliechaplin ( talk) 00:24, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Can anyone find a trial in which the law was applied in Israel? I don't think it ever was (especially since the law itself states that the Attorney-General must consent to its application in any specific case), and I'm not sure that it would hold up in an Israeli court today. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 23:54, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello, https://www.mzv.cz/old/wwwo/default.asp?id=46561&ido=13925&idj=2&amb=3 This points to what is basically a 404 not found page. I've tried searching for this but I've been unable to find it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.245.126.95 ( talk) 10:16, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 22:56, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Laws against Holocaust denial → Legality of Holocaust denial – Article covers both jurisdictions where it is legal and jurisdicitions where it is banned, compare Legality of child pornography. b uidh e 21:41, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
This article misses a section with arguments in favor of those laws. 109.43.49.77 ( talk) 15:27, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Per
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From Finland's national news service: https://yle.fi/a/74-20047962
and https://www.timesofisrael.com/after-minister-joked-about-nazis-finland-moves-to-criminalize-holocaust-denial/ 2001:14BB:64F:5687:0:0:188D:3F01 ( talk) 11:10, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
The article states:
"In May 2014, Russia's President Vladimir Putin signed a law making the denial of Nazi crimes and "wittingly spreading false information about the activity of the USSR during the years of World War Two" or portraying Nazis as heroes a criminal offence."
That has nothing to do with holocaust denial. 79.106.203.101 ( talk) 11:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
The entry for Canada states:
"The legality of Holocaust denial in Canada has come up in several court cases. In R v Zundel, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that Ernst Zündel, a German-born immigrant, who was a prolific Holocaust denier, could not be convicted for "spreading of false news", as it would be against Canada's Charter guarantee of free expression. According to The Canadian Press, the federal government announced a bill in 2022 that will change the Criminal Code to outlaw Holocaust denial and similar forms of antisemitic hate speech. As of 23 June 2022, the willful promotion of antisemitism is illegal in Canada. Persons found guilty of wilfully promoting antisemitism by "condoning, denying or downplaying the Holocaust" may receive a prison sentence not more than 2 years or a summary conviction."
This is a contradiction of laws. So which is true? 79.106.203.101 ( talk) 11:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)