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Where does the 1989 date come from? I believe the Lombard League dates from 1984, and the Northern League as such from 1991. In any case, this article could use a lot of work, preferably by someone who knows a lot more about this than I do. -- Jmabel 07:15, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)
May I suggest that the two of you who are busily edit-warring by moving this article back and forth from one name to another each state your case here? -- Jmabel | Talk 23:25, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)
it is important that you guys write it! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.162.17.219 ( talk • contribs) 24 Jan 2006.
There seems to be a dispute going over whether this should begin, 'The Northern League ( Italian: Lega Nord) is an Italian political party that advocates autonomy for a part of Northern Italy that they call " Padania",' or 'for a part of Northern Italy called " Padania".' I say "...that they call " Padania", and I say that the distinction is important.
Here are two recent edit comments:
Jmabel: rv again. If you have a justification for this change, please explain it on the talk page. Otherwise, I'm presuming partisan propaganda or vandalism.
Dur [s/that they call/called] -> "Padania" existed as a term way before Lega Nord was even founded!
While the term "Padania" predates the Northern League, their use of it does not. "Padania" was a geographer's term (and, to the best of my knowledge, never before Bossi a political one) for the Po Valley. Bossi and the League's "Padania" is much larger, basically embracing most economically strong regions of Italy. See Flags of the World's Padania page for a rather good discussion of this. In particular (from that page):
I don't want an edit war here, but I do want a discussion. Perhaps this needs more than a single phrase in this article, but I think that the details belong in the Padania article, not here. Nonetheless, referring here to the area for which the Northern League advocates secession (as against merely the Po Valley) as "Padania", rather than saying that the League calls it by that name, is to adopt a political POV, whether intentionally or not.
I won't revert again right now, but I reserve the right to do so. I'll leave at least 24 hours for a response. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:20, Jan 5, 2005 (UTC)
My point is:
1) At worst saying "that they call Padania" sounds like they invented the term to me... Sounds like some kind of "Neverland", which is not the case here. At best it sounds as if Lega Nord-ers are the only ones using "Padania" as a term for Northern Italy, instead:
2) as a matter of fact today "Padania" is a term commonly used (amongst others of course) to define Northern Italy as a whole and not only by Lega Nord supporters. Just to mention a few examples: it has been used by Nobel prize winner Dario Fo, it is regularly used by influential historical publications such as "Medioevo" (Middle Ages) or geopolitics publications such as "Limes", which even published a monograph entitled "L'Italia tra Europa e Padania" (Italy between Europe and Padania). For some years the Italian branch of the Hyde Park Group had been publishing a review on society, environment, economy and traditions entitled "Padania". The term is commonly used today by newspapers and shows up in the title of several books by publishing houses such as SugarCo and Larus. In 1992 the prestigious Agnelli Foundation even published a notorious survey entitled "La Padania, una regione italiana in Europa" (Padania, an Italian region in Europe).
So "they" are not the only ones who use the term Padania. -- Dur
"Some have claimed…" is not exactly a citation, especially for what practically amounts to a claim of criminal conspiracy. -- Jmabel | Talk 00:19, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
I removed the {{NPOV}} tag, since there is no note here about any POV issue. If you have an issue, please explain it here and restore the tag. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:06, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
I don't like the leghisti, but I am not sure they can be defined fascists. They would surely reject this, whereas much of their ideology stinks the same shit. I would rather call them xenophobic and populistic, but fascist... that's a bit of a stretch. They apparently "wipe their asses" (as Umberto Bossi once worded it) with the Flag of Italy. See the parties in Alternativa Sociale coalition for "properly" fascist parties. -- Orzetto 21:14, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
I find the following recently added paragraph incoherent to the point of incomprehensibility. If someone understands it and can rewrite it in decent English, go for it; if no one has done this within 24 hours, I will probably just remove it.
The Northern League promotes, through its humanitarian association (Associazione Umanitaria Padana Onlus), the social and economic participations of international solidarity in the respect of the cultures, local traditions and identities. The campaigns are carried out in particular way in the underdeveloped nations or in the countries hit from war events and natural catastrophes.
-- Jmabel | Talk 05:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Lega Nord is not a fascist party and does not hold a fascist ideology. In 1994, before the party joined the Liberty Pole coalition, Bossi was reluctant about the perspective to join the coalition because Alleanza Nazionale (National Allience), the main party derived from fascism, was inside that coalition. For what the shooting to immigrants is concerned, the party proposed to shoot at immigrants in coming boat, which is a common phenomenon in other south European countries, and not directly at immigrants as such. Therefore there is no connection between that immigration policy and fascism and surely, as someone wrongly said before, the Lega nord party is not the same "shit" as fascism and nor it smells like it. Such a statement is inapropriate and whoever wrote it should get his or her information right. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.56.55.67 ( talk • contribs) 4 Nov 2005.
Response to Orzetto. We don't need to go to far back in time to see a classic examples of the usage of force to stop illegal immigrants to enter a country. Last month Mr. Zapatero sent the army with orders to shoot every northern African who attemped to enter Spain territory. I also don't understand how you are scared by the league supporters who are made up mainly by middle aged people which most extreme action is to insult the Itlian flag. There are supporters of other political/social movement, mainly in the opposite side of the political spectrum, which are and have been far more dangerous ans undemocratic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.11.204.51 ( talk • contribs) 7 Dec 2005.
I cut the following "However, many dispute the fascist label, as this would imply a link with Rome and their support of a unified Italian state, which instead is something the league wishes to destroy." Uncited (who are the "many"?). And not being pan-Italianist doesn't seem to me to be any argument against "fascist" as that word is used today. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:32, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe an encyclopedia article should strive for fairness and balance.
Phrases like "The Lega Nord's successes began roughly when large numbers of dark-skinned immigrants began to be spotted in northern italian cities." are plain non-sense. First off, southerners emigration to the north happened at least 10 years earlier than the late 80s/early 90s. Second, I would say it is quite difficult to spot a southern italian by the color of their skin when compared to that of a northern italian. Northern italy is not like California!
The accusation of racism/fascism, coupled with a very superficial analysis of the party's electoral programs throughout the years, also reveal an unacceptable bias and prejudice in this article directed against the Northern League. I would convene that much of the initial success of the NL was due to the rejection by northerners (as well as the majority of southerners who emigrated) of a subculture very much pervasive in certain regions of the south of italy, perhaps the same subculture from which 'mafioso' organized crime arised. However, this is far from being racism. For example, reading from one of the very early electoral programs published by the NL when it was still called Lombard League, a pillar of the early NL electoral program was to recognize as "residents" of a region (and as such eligible for precedence in the assignment of some welfare rights, such as housing) EVERYBODY who lived in that region for at least 5 years (regardless of their place of birth or "the darker color of their skin"). These included the 95% of so called "terroni" immigrants against whom the NL "racism" was supposedly directed against.
Anyhow, I just wanted to give my opinion on this very opinionated article :)
Dado
Just wanted to point out that links in the "Notes and referemces" section might be extremely biased, since "la Repubblica" is a left-oriented newspaper, far from being unbiased. "il Manifesto" is an extreme-left oriented newspaper. Besides, Marco Travaglio writes for both "la Repubblica" and "l'Unità", which is the official newspaper of Italian post-communist party DS. "la Padania", instead, is the official organ of Lega Nord.
Talking about NPOV, I'm afraid I have to say these references are worth less than nothing.
This aticle is almost totally partisan and not objective at all. The League is not the party that is described here... Checco 09:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I think that the anonymous user that marked this article "under NPOV check" and "not verified in some parts" should introduce his objections in this page. I must say that I tend to agree.
The article is badly written, with an obvious political bias against the italian political party that is described. Unfortunately the italian political propaganda (from all sides) is low level, dishonest, with no respect for truth and fairness. And these malpractices tend to flood Wikipedia entries.
I will now write a few comments on the article text.
"The Northern League (Italian: Lega Nord) is an Italian political party which advocates autonomy for that part of Northern Italy which they call Padania."
There is political bias in the above, in my opinion. The view of the party should be presented in a neutral way, with support and criticism statements equally distributed. Furthermore, an historical introduction would better introduce the non-Italian reader. I propose:
"The Northern League (Italian: Lega Nord) is an Italian political party, founded in year xxxx as a federation of a number of regional Italian parties (list), which were either founded or increased their electoral consensus in the 1980 decade, on the basis of a political program revolving around requests for larger regional autonomy with respect to the central government. The Lega Nord federative party brought forward since then requests for a larger autonomy of the area encompassing the involved regions, which corresponds to Northern Italy, and which they named Padania, using a (since then) relatively seldom used term that denominates the Po river basin."
The section titled "Ideology" should be changed to "Political program". "Ideology" is better suited for old Fascist and Communist parties in my opinion, and is not really applicable to the much more down to earth NL political program.
The sections/headings on "Reasons for the Initial Success", "Federalism or Secession", "Accusations of Racism" are badly chosen and don't deserve the evidence they are given. The relevant text would be better grouped under neutral titles like: "political program", and more weight should be given to facts (polls, NL relations with other european parties) rather that to political propaganda in Italian newspapers.
The titles "Calderoli's T-shirt" and "non democratic means" don't deserve the emphasis they have.
The notes and references with few exceptions are a ridicolous collection of low quality Italian newpaper articles. For instance, regarding intolerance (often mispelled as racism in propaganda) of NL supporters, there is an essay based on extensive polls published by the renown pollster (and university professor) R.Mannheimer which would deserve a citation, while the newspaper crap should be dumped.
I hope to have some time to devote to this article, unfortunately quite some work is needed in my opinion. Nozdreff 07:56, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I have noted the modifications by Jmabel: compliments for the good work! Just a comment: I consider inappropriate the fragment --relatively obscure geographers' designation--. Why obscure? The gross meaning of Padania has always been clear. And I would not qualify it as "geographers' designation". I would propose: "a sparingly used geographic term". Nozdreff 10:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
The following was removed without comment:
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In February 2006, great controversy surrounded the role of the League's Minister for Institutional Reforms, Roberto Calderoli. In the wake of the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy, vociferously defending the notion of freedom of press, Calderoli decided to defy the aggressive posture of anti- Danish Islamic fundamentalist groups by repeatedly wearing a T-shirt reproducing the controversial cartoons. Calderoli's uncompromising behaviour led to more international tension: protesting against his stance, and seeing it as part of official policy of the Italian government, Islamist rioters took to the streets of Bengasi, Libya, and assaulted the Italian consulate. Eleven people were killed by Libyan riot police attempting to fend off the assault. Calderoli, considered responsible for inflaming the tension, was forced to resign from Silvio Berlusconi's government. [End removed]
Seems notable to me. - Jmabel | Talk 06:09, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
The article says that ‘In the European Parliament, its MEPs are part of the grouping Independence and Democracy’. I think this is incorrect and, indeed, that the article used to say that the Lega’s MEPs were expelled from Independence and Democracy last March or April. Indeed there is still an (orphaned) footnote about it. These two links suggest that this is the case:
You are right. -- Checco 16:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Obvoiusly I put a wrong summary, sorry! -- Checco 14:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Also can't see how one chart below is not lined up with the rest of the article! Get it fixed again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by That-Vela-Fella ( talk • contribs) 09:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Anyone using a resolution under 1024x768 will see that chart as to large while everything else is fit to the screen. If one goes to most other pages on Wiki, there isn't a problem. The format used on the chart will not conform & others using say 800x600 will see that. There was also nothing wrong with what was done there before too. Anything added later will make it worse, unless the first 3 or 4 earlier elections are ommitted, that way would also fix it. That-Vela-Fella 07:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I think the Lega has its fundament on the phisical, linguistic and social differences there are between the northern and southern Italians —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.50.62.54 ( talk) 10:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I am aware of the history, but I'll just stick in my 2p - I don't think I've ever heard them referred to as the Lega Nord in British English, they're always referred to by the English term Northern League. FlagSteward ( talk) 23:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Why there is nothing writing about Zakaria Najib in here pages?
An anonymous user continues to insert "islamophobia" as one of the main ideologies of the party. This is not correct and he can't make changes without consensus. In any case, as the news you are inserting are about Mario Borghezio, a marginal figure although well known politician, he can put them in the "Controversies" section. I wouldn't oppose such an edit. -- Checco ( talk) 20:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Come on: Calderoli is not famous as an advocate of the freedom of speech!! Yhe case for wearing its t-shirt was clearly anti-islamic. Moreover, if the political behaviour of the adherents of one party is clearly against the political party's line, in any party the adherents will be sanctioned: expelled or at least downsized. This is not the case for Borghezio and Calderoli, and this means that the islamophobic component is present in the LN.
However, after the September 11, 2001 attacks and the emergence of Islamist terrorism, the League became a supporter of the American efforts in the War on terror, while expressing several reservations about American policy on Iraq citation needed.
I moved the above claim, uncited for 12 months, from Lega Nord#Policies - please resinsert if a cite is found. I saw the German wiki aticle has a similar claim, but also uncited. A link to a Lega Nord statement (in Italian is fine) would be useful. - 84.222.0.142 ( talk) 10:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, today Salvini presented the new logo of the party, without the "Sun of the Alps" and the word "North"; my question is: should we changed the party's name? Thank you -- Nick.mon ( talk) 17:59, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
I agree with User:Autospark. If the LN were to change its name (and, with it, its scope), we would need a new article as we did with UMP/LR, PCI/PDS/DS, DC/PPI, dL/FI and NCD/AP. I also think that we should avoid WP:Recentism: this is a party with 26 years of history and the article should reflect this. "Regionalism" and "federalism" are still the party's core business, even though it has decided to tone them down for electoral convenience. Additionally, let me observe that Lega for Salvini Premier's proto-statute reads that the party is "a confederal political movement established in the form of a non-recognised association, whose goal is the peaceful transformation of the Italian state into a modern federal state through democratic and electoral means". I will edit the article accordingly: in the infobox I will list "regionalism" and "federalism" first, in the intro I will remove the repetition on "populism" (see "Under Salvini..."). -- Checco ( talk) 18:10, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Checco, do you know other symbols used by Lega through these decades? -- Nick.mon ( talk) 12:06, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
Hey User:Nick.mon, the symbols you uploaded had been deleted! -- Checco ( talk) 14:27, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, few weeks ago we agreed that we shouldn't rename this article just for the name of an electoral list, but, I sincerely think that we should create a new article about the electoral list "League" (or "Lega"), formed by Lega Nord and Us with Salvini (and probably supported by the National Movement for Sovereignty). What do you think? -- Nick.mon ( talk) 10:54, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Because of the official short name change I have requested page name move here Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. Outback the koala ( talk) 14:07, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
I agree with this. Irishpolitical ( talk) 12:43, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
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Where does the 1989 date come from? I believe the Lombard League dates from 1984, and the Northern League as such from 1991. In any case, this article could use a lot of work, preferably by someone who knows a lot more about this than I do. -- Jmabel 07:15, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)
May I suggest that the two of you who are busily edit-warring by moving this article back and forth from one name to another each state your case here? -- Jmabel | Talk 23:25, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)
it is important that you guys write it! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.162.17.219 ( talk • contribs) 24 Jan 2006.
There seems to be a dispute going over whether this should begin, 'The Northern League ( Italian: Lega Nord) is an Italian political party that advocates autonomy for a part of Northern Italy that they call " Padania",' or 'for a part of Northern Italy called " Padania".' I say "...that they call " Padania", and I say that the distinction is important.
Here are two recent edit comments:
Jmabel: rv again. If you have a justification for this change, please explain it on the talk page. Otherwise, I'm presuming partisan propaganda or vandalism.
Dur [s/that they call/called] -> "Padania" existed as a term way before Lega Nord was even founded!
While the term "Padania" predates the Northern League, their use of it does not. "Padania" was a geographer's term (and, to the best of my knowledge, never before Bossi a political one) for the Po Valley. Bossi and the League's "Padania" is much larger, basically embracing most economically strong regions of Italy. See Flags of the World's Padania page for a rather good discussion of this. In particular (from that page):
I don't want an edit war here, but I do want a discussion. Perhaps this needs more than a single phrase in this article, but I think that the details belong in the Padania article, not here. Nonetheless, referring here to the area for which the Northern League advocates secession (as against merely the Po Valley) as "Padania", rather than saying that the League calls it by that name, is to adopt a political POV, whether intentionally or not.
I won't revert again right now, but I reserve the right to do so. I'll leave at least 24 hours for a response. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:20, Jan 5, 2005 (UTC)
My point is:
1) At worst saying "that they call Padania" sounds like they invented the term to me... Sounds like some kind of "Neverland", which is not the case here. At best it sounds as if Lega Nord-ers are the only ones using "Padania" as a term for Northern Italy, instead:
2) as a matter of fact today "Padania" is a term commonly used (amongst others of course) to define Northern Italy as a whole and not only by Lega Nord supporters. Just to mention a few examples: it has been used by Nobel prize winner Dario Fo, it is regularly used by influential historical publications such as "Medioevo" (Middle Ages) or geopolitics publications such as "Limes", which even published a monograph entitled "L'Italia tra Europa e Padania" (Italy between Europe and Padania). For some years the Italian branch of the Hyde Park Group had been publishing a review on society, environment, economy and traditions entitled "Padania". The term is commonly used today by newspapers and shows up in the title of several books by publishing houses such as SugarCo and Larus. In 1992 the prestigious Agnelli Foundation even published a notorious survey entitled "La Padania, una regione italiana in Europa" (Padania, an Italian region in Europe).
So "they" are not the only ones who use the term Padania. -- Dur
"Some have claimed…" is not exactly a citation, especially for what practically amounts to a claim of criminal conspiracy. -- Jmabel | Talk 00:19, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
I removed the {{NPOV}} tag, since there is no note here about any POV issue. If you have an issue, please explain it here and restore the tag. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:06, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
I don't like the leghisti, but I am not sure they can be defined fascists. They would surely reject this, whereas much of their ideology stinks the same shit. I would rather call them xenophobic and populistic, but fascist... that's a bit of a stretch. They apparently "wipe their asses" (as Umberto Bossi once worded it) with the Flag of Italy. See the parties in Alternativa Sociale coalition for "properly" fascist parties. -- Orzetto 21:14, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
I find the following recently added paragraph incoherent to the point of incomprehensibility. If someone understands it and can rewrite it in decent English, go for it; if no one has done this within 24 hours, I will probably just remove it.
The Northern League promotes, through its humanitarian association (Associazione Umanitaria Padana Onlus), the social and economic participations of international solidarity in the respect of the cultures, local traditions and identities. The campaigns are carried out in particular way in the underdeveloped nations or in the countries hit from war events and natural catastrophes.
-- Jmabel | Talk 05:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Lega Nord is not a fascist party and does not hold a fascist ideology. In 1994, before the party joined the Liberty Pole coalition, Bossi was reluctant about the perspective to join the coalition because Alleanza Nazionale (National Allience), the main party derived from fascism, was inside that coalition. For what the shooting to immigrants is concerned, the party proposed to shoot at immigrants in coming boat, which is a common phenomenon in other south European countries, and not directly at immigrants as such. Therefore there is no connection between that immigration policy and fascism and surely, as someone wrongly said before, the Lega nord party is not the same "shit" as fascism and nor it smells like it. Such a statement is inapropriate and whoever wrote it should get his or her information right. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.56.55.67 ( talk • contribs) 4 Nov 2005.
Response to Orzetto. We don't need to go to far back in time to see a classic examples of the usage of force to stop illegal immigrants to enter a country. Last month Mr. Zapatero sent the army with orders to shoot every northern African who attemped to enter Spain territory. I also don't understand how you are scared by the league supporters who are made up mainly by middle aged people which most extreme action is to insult the Itlian flag. There are supporters of other political/social movement, mainly in the opposite side of the political spectrum, which are and have been far more dangerous ans undemocratic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.11.204.51 ( talk • contribs) 7 Dec 2005.
I cut the following "However, many dispute the fascist label, as this would imply a link with Rome and their support of a unified Italian state, which instead is something the league wishes to destroy." Uncited (who are the "many"?). And not being pan-Italianist doesn't seem to me to be any argument against "fascist" as that word is used today. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:32, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe an encyclopedia article should strive for fairness and balance.
Phrases like "The Lega Nord's successes began roughly when large numbers of dark-skinned immigrants began to be spotted in northern italian cities." are plain non-sense. First off, southerners emigration to the north happened at least 10 years earlier than the late 80s/early 90s. Second, I would say it is quite difficult to spot a southern italian by the color of their skin when compared to that of a northern italian. Northern italy is not like California!
The accusation of racism/fascism, coupled with a very superficial analysis of the party's electoral programs throughout the years, also reveal an unacceptable bias and prejudice in this article directed against the Northern League. I would convene that much of the initial success of the NL was due to the rejection by northerners (as well as the majority of southerners who emigrated) of a subculture very much pervasive in certain regions of the south of italy, perhaps the same subculture from which 'mafioso' organized crime arised. However, this is far from being racism. For example, reading from one of the very early electoral programs published by the NL when it was still called Lombard League, a pillar of the early NL electoral program was to recognize as "residents" of a region (and as such eligible for precedence in the assignment of some welfare rights, such as housing) EVERYBODY who lived in that region for at least 5 years (regardless of their place of birth or "the darker color of their skin"). These included the 95% of so called "terroni" immigrants against whom the NL "racism" was supposedly directed against.
Anyhow, I just wanted to give my opinion on this very opinionated article :)
Dado
Just wanted to point out that links in the "Notes and referemces" section might be extremely biased, since "la Repubblica" is a left-oriented newspaper, far from being unbiased. "il Manifesto" is an extreme-left oriented newspaper. Besides, Marco Travaglio writes for both "la Repubblica" and "l'Unità", which is the official newspaper of Italian post-communist party DS. "la Padania", instead, is the official organ of Lega Nord.
Talking about NPOV, I'm afraid I have to say these references are worth less than nothing.
This aticle is almost totally partisan and not objective at all. The League is not the party that is described here... Checco 09:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I think that the anonymous user that marked this article "under NPOV check" and "not verified in some parts" should introduce his objections in this page. I must say that I tend to agree.
The article is badly written, with an obvious political bias against the italian political party that is described. Unfortunately the italian political propaganda (from all sides) is low level, dishonest, with no respect for truth and fairness. And these malpractices tend to flood Wikipedia entries.
I will now write a few comments on the article text.
"The Northern League (Italian: Lega Nord) is an Italian political party which advocates autonomy for that part of Northern Italy which they call Padania."
There is political bias in the above, in my opinion. The view of the party should be presented in a neutral way, with support and criticism statements equally distributed. Furthermore, an historical introduction would better introduce the non-Italian reader. I propose:
"The Northern League (Italian: Lega Nord) is an Italian political party, founded in year xxxx as a federation of a number of regional Italian parties (list), which were either founded or increased their electoral consensus in the 1980 decade, on the basis of a political program revolving around requests for larger regional autonomy with respect to the central government. The Lega Nord federative party brought forward since then requests for a larger autonomy of the area encompassing the involved regions, which corresponds to Northern Italy, and which they named Padania, using a (since then) relatively seldom used term that denominates the Po river basin."
The section titled "Ideology" should be changed to "Political program". "Ideology" is better suited for old Fascist and Communist parties in my opinion, and is not really applicable to the much more down to earth NL political program.
The sections/headings on "Reasons for the Initial Success", "Federalism or Secession", "Accusations of Racism" are badly chosen and don't deserve the evidence they are given. The relevant text would be better grouped under neutral titles like: "political program", and more weight should be given to facts (polls, NL relations with other european parties) rather that to political propaganda in Italian newspapers.
The titles "Calderoli's T-shirt" and "non democratic means" don't deserve the emphasis they have.
The notes and references with few exceptions are a ridicolous collection of low quality Italian newpaper articles. For instance, regarding intolerance (often mispelled as racism in propaganda) of NL supporters, there is an essay based on extensive polls published by the renown pollster (and university professor) R.Mannheimer which would deserve a citation, while the newspaper crap should be dumped.
I hope to have some time to devote to this article, unfortunately quite some work is needed in my opinion. Nozdreff 07:56, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I have noted the modifications by Jmabel: compliments for the good work! Just a comment: I consider inappropriate the fragment --relatively obscure geographers' designation--. Why obscure? The gross meaning of Padania has always been clear. And I would not qualify it as "geographers' designation". I would propose: "a sparingly used geographic term". Nozdreff 10:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
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In February 2006, great controversy surrounded the role of the League's Minister for Institutional Reforms, Roberto Calderoli. In the wake of the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy, vociferously defending the notion of freedom of press, Calderoli decided to defy the aggressive posture of anti- Danish Islamic fundamentalist groups by repeatedly wearing a T-shirt reproducing the controversial cartoons. Calderoli's uncompromising behaviour led to more international tension: protesting against his stance, and seeing it as part of official policy of the Italian government, Islamist rioters took to the streets of Bengasi, Libya, and assaulted the Italian consulate. Eleven people were killed by Libyan riot police attempting to fend off the assault. Calderoli, considered responsible for inflaming the tension, was forced to resign from Silvio Berlusconi's government. [End removed]
Seems notable to me. - Jmabel | Talk 06:09, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
The article says that ‘In the European Parliament, its MEPs are part of the grouping Independence and Democracy’. I think this is incorrect and, indeed, that the article used to say that the Lega’s MEPs were expelled from Independence and Democracy last March or April. Indeed there is still an (orphaned) footnote about it. These two links suggest that this is the case:
You are right. -- Checco 16:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Obvoiusly I put a wrong summary, sorry! -- Checco 14:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Also can't see how one chart below is not lined up with the rest of the article! Get it fixed again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by That-Vela-Fella ( talk • contribs) 09:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Anyone using a resolution under 1024x768 will see that chart as to large while everything else is fit to the screen. If one goes to most other pages on Wiki, there isn't a problem. The format used on the chart will not conform & others using say 800x600 will see that. There was also nothing wrong with what was done there before too. Anything added later will make it worse, unless the first 3 or 4 earlier elections are ommitted, that way would also fix it. That-Vela-Fella 07:00, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I think the Lega has its fundament on the phisical, linguistic and social differences there are between the northern and southern Italians —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.50.62.54 ( talk) 10:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I am aware of the history, but I'll just stick in my 2p - I don't think I've ever heard them referred to as the Lega Nord in British English, they're always referred to by the English term Northern League. FlagSteward ( talk) 23:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Why there is nothing writing about Zakaria Najib in here pages?
An anonymous user continues to insert "islamophobia" as one of the main ideologies of the party. This is not correct and he can't make changes without consensus. In any case, as the news you are inserting are about Mario Borghezio, a marginal figure although well known politician, he can put them in the "Controversies" section. I wouldn't oppose such an edit. -- Checco ( talk) 20:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Come on: Calderoli is not famous as an advocate of the freedom of speech!! Yhe case for wearing its t-shirt was clearly anti-islamic. Moreover, if the political behaviour of the adherents of one party is clearly against the political party's line, in any party the adherents will be sanctioned: expelled or at least downsized. This is not the case for Borghezio and Calderoli, and this means that the islamophobic component is present in the LN.
However, after the September 11, 2001 attacks and the emergence of Islamist terrorism, the League became a supporter of the American efforts in the War on terror, while expressing several reservations about American policy on Iraq citation needed.
I moved the above claim, uncited for 12 months, from Lega Nord#Policies - please resinsert if a cite is found. I saw the German wiki aticle has a similar claim, but also uncited. A link to a Lega Nord statement (in Italian is fine) would be useful. - 84.222.0.142 ( talk) 10:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, today Salvini presented the new logo of the party, without the "Sun of the Alps" and the word "North"; my question is: should we changed the party's name? Thank you -- Nick.mon ( talk) 17:59, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
I agree with User:Autospark. If the LN were to change its name (and, with it, its scope), we would need a new article as we did with UMP/LR, PCI/PDS/DS, DC/PPI, dL/FI and NCD/AP. I also think that we should avoid WP:Recentism: this is a party with 26 years of history and the article should reflect this. "Regionalism" and "federalism" are still the party's core business, even though it has decided to tone them down for electoral convenience. Additionally, let me observe that Lega for Salvini Premier's proto-statute reads that the party is "a confederal political movement established in the form of a non-recognised association, whose goal is the peaceful transformation of the Italian state into a modern federal state through democratic and electoral means". I will edit the article accordingly: in the infobox I will list "regionalism" and "federalism" first, in the intro I will remove the repetition on "populism" (see "Under Salvini..."). -- Checco ( talk) 18:10, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Checco, do you know other symbols used by Lega through these decades? -- Nick.mon ( talk) 12:06, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
Hey User:Nick.mon, the symbols you uploaded had been deleted! -- Checco ( talk) 14:27, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, few weeks ago we agreed that we shouldn't rename this article just for the name of an electoral list, but, I sincerely think that we should create a new article about the electoral list "League" (or "Lega"), formed by Lega Nord and Us with Salvini (and probably supported by the National Movement for Sovereignty). What do you think? -- Nick.mon ( talk) 10:54, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Because of the official short name change I have requested page name move here Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. Outback the koala ( talk) 14:07, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
I agree with this. Irishpolitical ( talk) 12:43, 26 June 2018 (UTC)