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I'm not sure we've resolved the confusion about his name - does it have a hyphen or doesn't it? Was Leefe-Robinson his surname, or was Leefe a forename? If the punctuation in his letter recently added is accurate it suggests the former. PatGallacher ( talk) 12:57, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Doing a search, most sources have his name without a hyphen. However I was slightly disconcerted to find a source ( http://ignca.nic.in/nl_01302.htm) which mentions a person "Ruth Leefe Robinson". Can we be sure that the unhyphenated Leefe Robinson isn't a surname? You can get people with unhyphenated double-barrelled surnames, the best known is Helena Bonham Carter, her name often confuses people, you often see references to Helena Bonham-Carter or Ms/Miss Carter. PatGallacher ( talk) 13:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
From Oxford Dictionary of National Biography - "Robinson, William Leefe (1895–1918), airman, was born at Kaima Betta, South Coorg, India, on 14 July 1895, youngest son of Horace Robinson (d. 1929), an owner and planter of coffee estates, and his wife, Elizabeth Leefe (d. 1929). That would suggest that they combined their names upon marrying. I don't have a subscription to one of the ancestry websites, but if anyone does, search for Horaces' or Elizabeth's death certificate and see what the name at death was, assuming they died in the UK, of course. Snapper five ( talk) 14:12, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
The article mentioned above ( http://ignca.nic.in/nl_01302.htm) makes reference to Ruth being the daughter of a coffee planter in India. Williams's parents were also coffee planters in India and it was around the same time, so this would add weight to the surname being Leefe Robinson arguement. Ruth could be the sister refered to in the letter he wrote whilst a POW. Snapper five ( talk) 21:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I have found one reference to Leefe Robinson being promoted to Captain, after winning the VC and before he went back to France, in a book about RAF Hornchurch. Can anyone substantiate that? Most references are merely to his rank at the time of winning the VC. In any case, as the RAF came into being on 1/4/18, his final rank would have been either Flying Officer or Flight Lieutenant. Snapper five ( talk) 19:20, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I think some sources do say he was the first to be awarded the VC for action in the UK. There may have been airmen awarded it before, but this was probably for action over the Western Front. PatGallacher ( talk) 22:16, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Returning to the reference given - http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/12/12053/Leefe_Robinson_VC/Harrow_Weald the restaurant/pub closed in 2009 and was taken over by Miller and Carter. There is no reference to its former name The Leefe Robinson VC on their web site http://www.millerandcarter.co.uk/millerandcarterharrow/findus/ . I removed the reference. -- User:Brenont ( talk) 02:14, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
I found a reference to the name being reinstated http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/whereilive/northwest/harrow/4105628.Historic_pub_name_restored_after_complaints/-- User:Brenont ( talk) 03:04, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
His surname was last discussed in 2008 (above). Although nobody seems to have been 100% certain, the consensus seems to have been that his birth surname was Robinson, with Leefe (his mother's surname) as a second forename; but that he (and possibly others in his family?) frequently used Leefe Robinson as an unhyphenated double-barrelled surname. His friends and family presumably called him William; but others would have called him either Lt Robinson or Lt Leefe Robinson. I can accept that, and it seems to be supported by the external sources I've looked at. The article currently mostly refers to him as "Robinson".
However, if Leefe Robinson is indeed simply one version of his surname, shouldn't the article title be changed to William Leefe Robinson? I'm quite aware of WP:COMMONNAME, but we wouldn't normally title an article on a modern individual, outside the entertainment industries, by surname only. GrindtXX ( talk) 21:32, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
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I'm not sure we've resolved the confusion about his name - does it have a hyphen or doesn't it? Was Leefe-Robinson his surname, or was Leefe a forename? If the punctuation in his letter recently added is accurate it suggests the former. PatGallacher ( talk) 12:57, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Doing a search, most sources have his name without a hyphen. However I was slightly disconcerted to find a source ( http://ignca.nic.in/nl_01302.htm) which mentions a person "Ruth Leefe Robinson". Can we be sure that the unhyphenated Leefe Robinson isn't a surname? You can get people with unhyphenated double-barrelled surnames, the best known is Helena Bonham Carter, her name often confuses people, you often see references to Helena Bonham-Carter or Ms/Miss Carter. PatGallacher ( talk) 13:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
From Oxford Dictionary of National Biography - "Robinson, William Leefe (1895–1918), airman, was born at Kaima Betta, South Coorg, India, on 14 July 1895, youngest son of Horace Robinson (d. 1929), an owner and planter of coffee estates, and his wife, Elizabeth Leefe (d. 1929). That would suggest that they combined their names upon marrying. I don't have a subscription to one of the ancestry websites, but if anyone does, search for Horaces' or Elizabeth's death certificate and see what the name at death was, assuming they died in the UK, of course. Snapper five ( talk) 14:12, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
The article mentioned above ( http://ignca.nic.in/nl_01302.htm) makes reference to Ruth being the daughter of a coffee planter in India. Williams's parents were also coffee planters in India and it was around the same time, so this would add weight to the surname being Leefe Robinson arguement. Ruth could be the sister refered to in the letter he wrote whilst a POW. Snapper five ( talk) 21:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I have found one reference to Leefe Robinson being promoted to Captain, after winning the VC and before he went back to France, in a book about RAF Hornchurch. Can anyone substantiate that? Most references are merely to his rank at the time of winning the VC. In any case, as the RAF came into being on 1/4/18, his final rank would have been either Flying Officer or Flight Lieutenant. Snapper five ( talk) 19:20, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I think some sources do say he was the first to be awarded the VC for action in the UK. There may have been airmen awarded it before, but this was probably for action over the Western Front. PatGallacher ( talk) 22:16, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Returning to the reference given - http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/12/12053/Leefe_Robinson_VC/Harrow_Weald the restaurant/pub closed in 2009 and was taken over by Miller and Carter. There is no reference to its former name The Leefe Robinson VC on their web site http://www.millerandcarter.co.uk/millerandcarterharrow/findus/ . I removed the reference. -- User:Brenont ( talk) 02:14, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
I found a reference to the name being reinstated http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/whereilive/northwest/harrow/4105628.Historic_pub_name_restored_after_complaints/-- User:Brenont ( talk) 03:04, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
His surname was last discussed in 2008 (above). Although nobody seems to have been 100% certain, the consensus seems to have been that his birth surname was Robinson, with Leefe (his mother's surname) as a second forename; but that he (and possibly others in his family?) frequently used Leefe Robinson as an unhyphenated double-barrelled surname. His friends and family presumably called him William; but others would have called him either Lt Robinson or Lt Leefe Robinson. I can accept that, and it seems to be supported by the external sources I've looked at. The article currently mostly refers to him as "Robinson".
However, if Leefe Robinson is indeed simply one version of his surname, shouldn't the article title be changed to William Leefe Robinson? I'm quite aware of WP:COMMONNAME, but we wouldn't normally title an article on a modern individual, outside the entertainment industries, by surname only. GrindtXX ( talk) 21:32, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
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