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Most of the information in Lee Krasner's article are relevant. The editors have indicated her early youth, education, work, and legacy. The only thing I found distracting was the constant mention of how she was married to Pollock. While it is important to highlight their marriage, continually bringing the focus back to Pollock makes the article biased towards him. It needs to focus more on her as an artist rather than her married to an artist.
The majority of the facts have citations included with them. There are a few statements which I believe need citations to show that the article is based on fact rather than on opinion. For example, the first paragraph and last paragraph in the works section do not have citations. It would be better to have citations with some of these statements so they could be based on fact rather than on opinion or popular belief. The references with citations do come from reliable sources. Some of the information comes from biographies about Pollock rather than Krasner which again highlights the fact that she was married to an artist rather than being an artist herself.
The article is neutral in tone throughout.
I believe that the fact she was married to Pollock is overrepresented while the significance of her work is underrepresented. For example, under the works section, the first paragraph briefly mentions how she created her work and how the catalog of her work is small. The next paragraph discusses how she struggled mostly being known as Pollocks wife rather than a painter. The third paragraph illustrates how Pollock's and Krasner's relationship affected each other's work. This section does not discuss any of her well known works which is often highlighted in other famous artist's Wikipedia pages. Only one of her paintings is discussed in the art market section and merely states that it sold for a lot of money. In my opinion, the fact that Lee Krasner was an artist is underrepresented throughout the article, especially when this page is compared to other artist's pages.
Ags36 ( talk) 17:02, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Ambiguous: "they both approached their work in different ways". This is unclear. I'm assuming you mean, "each artist took different approaches to their own work." Is this correct? Aolivex ( talk) 19:37, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
This section contains the line, "she began creating abstract still lifes, which became the prevalent style she used throughout her career." There are at least three problems with this:
Aolivex ( talk) 18:00, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
The "religion" section includes: "Her identity as a Jewish woman has affected how scholars interpret the meaning of her art." This is not cited, but should be. Has anyone discovered any evidence that this is true? Is there a literature/historiography on this issue? Aolivex ( talk) 19:41, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
I would like to reshape the outline of Krasner's page too look like this:
By adding a whole section dedicated to looking at her relationship with Jackson Pollock, the mention of their relationship will not be as necessary in other sections, specifically the "Works" section. It will also provide an in depth look at how their relationship affected each other personally and through their work. I will mainly be focusing on this section and her works section. If I find more important information about her life, I will add information accordingly or add new sections to the page. Ags36 ( talk) 18:35, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Provides an in-depth look at specific works Krasner made from 1965 to 1970.
An in-depth investigation into Krasner's entire life and career. Provides information about her work and personal life.
While this book examines the work of Krasner and Lewis, it is important because it investigates why these two artists are generally overlooked by the public when discussing abstract expressionism. It provides an in-depth analysis of Krasner's 'little images' that she created from around 1946 to 1949.
This book will be essential in understanding how Krasner's relationship to Pollock shaped her life and her work. Provides information about their relationship and how it affected their work.
Information about the retrospective of Krasner's work at the MoMA. Provides in-depth analysis of works created throughout her life.
Outlines important information about Krasner's career.
Provides information and analysis about Krasner's larger scaled paintings.
While this book looks at two other modernist artists, it provides an important analysis of Krasner's work. It discusses her status as a woman, a wife, and an artist and how these labels affected her career. Ags36 ( talk) 18:35, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
The distinction between "references" and "further reading" is unclear to me. Could we join these and clean them up? Aolivex ( talk) 15:47, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
I think it's going to be great to combine all parts that mention Krasner's relationship to Pollock to make her work more independent from his. Some rearranging needs to be made as well to make sure her relationship with Pollock is introduced before discussing his influence because as the article stands now, Pollock's influence is described then their personal relationship is discussed. I'm really excited to see her Works section expanded to match, if not surpass, the amount of information used to describe her marriage. I'm hoping you'll be able to find enough information to fully unravel her formal style and maybe even other influences found in her work. I'm thinking it might be worth while to see if the Legacy section can also be moved to be directly after the description of her style so as to highlight her influence in the art world, rather than leaving it as one of the later sections. Sarahmooiweer ( talk) 14:53, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
I think that your suggested changes will make this article very good. I agree that Krasner needs a separate identity from being Pollock's wife. The fact that the only subject under "personal life" is about her relationship with Pollack reinforces your point that the article focus too much on him. I like your plan to make a section that focuses on their relationship so that the rest of the article can focus solely on her. There are also some minor sentence structure issues that make the article seem less professional like saying, "Krasner supported herself entirely mostly." There are also some terms that may be a bit too technical like, "neo-cubist abstraction." That term should probably be expanded or linked to another page if you can. Over all I like your suggested changes! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kspepple ( talk • contribs) 15:26, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
In Early Life we have this: Lee was the fourth of five children, including her sister, Ruth, and the first who was born in America.[5] She was the only one of her siblings to be born in the United States [3].
The first sentence implies that her younger sibling was also born in the US/America, since Lee was the "first". The second sentence says otherwise, implying that the youngest was born elsewhere somehow. On the other hand, the second sentence is based on reference [3], biography.com, which says that she was the "youngest of six children", contradicting the first sentence. Reference [5] is the MOMA retrospective, which I don't have access to. Does anyone know the true sibling count? It may be hard to know what the definitive reference is here. Molinari ( talk) 15:25, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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Most of the information in Lee Krasner's article are relevant. The editors have indicated her early youth, education, work, and legacy. The only thing I found distracting was the constant mention of how she was married to Pollock. While it is important to highlight their marriage, continually bringing the focus back to Pollock makes the article biased towards him. It needs to focus more on her as an artist rather than her married to an artist.
The majority of the facts have citations included with them. There are a few statements which I believe need citations to show that the article is based on fact rather than on opinion. For example, the first paragraph and last paragraph in the works section do not have citations. It would be better to have citations with some of these statements so they could be based on fact rather than on opinion or popular belief. The references with citations do come from reliable sources. Some of the information comes from biographies about Pollock rather than Krasner which again highlights the fact that she was married to an artist rather than being an artist herself.
The article is neutral in tone throughout.
I believe that the fact she was married to Pollock is overrepresented while the significance of her work is underrepresented. For example, under the works section, the first paragraph briefly mentions how she created her work and how the catalog of her work is small. The next paragraph discusses how she struggled mostly being known as Pollocks wife rather than a painter. The third paragraph illustrates how Pollock's and Krasner's relationship affected each other's work. This section does not discuss any of her well known works which is often highlighted in other famous artist's Wikipedia pages. Only one of her paintings is discussed in the art market section and merely states that it sold for a lot of money. In my opinion, the fact that Lee Krasner was an artist is underrepresented throughout the article, especially when this page is compared to other artist's pages.
Ags36 ( talk) 17:02, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Ambiguous: "they both approached their work in different ways". This is unclear. I'm assuming you mean, "each artist took different approaches to their own work." Is this correct? Aolivex ( talk) 19:37, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
This section contains the line, "she began creating abstract still lifes, which became the prevalent style she used throughout her career." There are at least three problems with this:
Aolivex ( talk) 18:00, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
The "religion" section includes: "Her identity as a Jewish woman has affected how scholars interpret the meaning of her art." This is not cited, but should be. Has anyone discovered any evidence that this is true? Is there a literature/historiography on this issue? Aolivex ( talk) 19:41, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
I would like to reshape the outline of Krasner's page too look like this:
By adding a whole section dedicated to looking at her relationship with Jackson Pollock, the mention of their relationship will not be as necessary in other sections, specifically the "Works" section. It will also provide an in depth look at how their relationship affected each other personally and through their work. I will mainly be focusing on this section and her works section. If I find more important information about her life, I will add information accordingly or add new sections to the page. Ags36 ( talk) 18:35, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Provides an in-depth look at specific works Krasner made from 1965 to 1970.
An in-depth investigation into Krasner's entire life and career. Provides information about her work and personal life.
While this book examines the work of Krasner and Lewis, it is important because it investigates why these two artists are generally overlooked by the public when discussing abstract expressionism. It provides an in-depth analysis of Krasner's 'little images' that she created from around 1946 to 1949.
This book will be essential in understanding how Krasner's relationship to Pollock shaped her life and her work. Provides information about their relationship and how it affected their work.
Information about the retrospective of Krasner's work at the MoMA. Provides in-depth analysis of works created throughout her life.
Outlines important information about Krasner's career.
Provides information and analysis about Krasner's larger scaled paintings.
While this book looks at two other modernist artists, it provides an important analysis of Krasner's work. It discusses her status as a woman, a wife, and an artist and how these labels affected her career. Ags36 ( talk) 18:35, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
The distinction between "references" and "further reading" is unclear to me. Could we join these and clean them up? Aolivex ( talk) 15:47, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
I think it's going to be great to combine all parts that mention Krasner's relationship to Pollock to make her work more independent from his. Some rearranging needs to be made as well to make sure her relationship with Pollock is introduced before discussing his influence because as the article stands now, Pollock's influence is described then their personal relationship is discussed. I'm really excited to see her Works section expanded to match, if not surpass, the amount of information used to describe her marriage. I'm hoping you'll be able to find enough information to fully unravel her formal style and maybe even other influences found in her work. I'm thinking it might be worth while to see if the Legacy section can also be moved to be directly after the description of her style so as to highlight her influence in the art world, rather than leaving it as one of the later sections. Sarahmooiweer ( talk) 14:53, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
I think that your suggested changes will make this article very good. I agree that Krasner needs a separate identity from being Pollock's wife. The fact that the only subject under "personal life" is about her relationship with Pollack reinforces your point that the article focus too much on him. I like your plan to make a section that focuses on their relationship so that the rest of the article can focus solely on her. There are also some minor sentence structure issues that make the article seem less professional like saying, "Krasner supported herself entirely mostly." There are also some terms that may be a bit too technical like, "neo-cubist abstraction." That term should probably be expanded or linked to another page if you can. Over all I like your suggested changes! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kspepple ( talk • contribs) 15:26, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
In Early Life we have this: Lee was the fourth of five children, including her sister, Ruth, and the first who was born in America.[5] She was the only one of her siblings to be born in the United States [3].
The first sentence implies that her younger sibling was also born in the US/America, since Lee was the "first". The second sentence says otherwise, implying that the youngest was born elsewhere somehow. On the other hand, the second sentence is based on reference [3], biography.com, which says that she was the "youngest of six children", contradicting the first sentence. Reference [5] is the MOMA retrospective, which I don't have access to. Does anyone know the true sibling count? It may be hard to know what the definitive reference is here. Molinari ( talk) 15:25, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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