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I have no major problems with the change to [[December 1]], [[2007]] format in the tables. I had changed the earlier 12-01-2007 format to 2007-12-01 for two reasons:
The current one does work; but it often leaves that field split between two lines. There is an alternative; linked dated do work properly with a three-letter month abbreviation, so you could use [[Dec 1]], [[2007]] instead, changing all the spelled out months to the three letter abbreviation. and it will display in accordance with user preferences, and I'm assuming it will also sort properly in a sortable table. It would make the tables look better. Gene Nygaard ( talk) 21:18, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I have per WP:V and WP:RS removed all unverifiable claims and claims from non-reliable sources. Reliably sourced additions are still welcome. The previous revision of the page is available here. -- aktsu ( t / c) 06:08, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Im not happy one bit, i think i am going to do what i was going to do anyway and create a website. I would love to know why you are working so hard to impact this page ? i gave you my reason! The changes you just made are against what we agreed with for example his mma record. I have told you that i will get sources for the rest including kickboxing record. just leave the page how it was, i am still working on it. The thing is no one knows more then him other then me and him, so when other people get involved in stating stuff that aint correct, or removing things that are correct. It irritates me. Looks like i will create a web page but if i do im taking this article off. I first put it on wikipedia, i will take it off. Not one person has added anything positive. When ever i go and edit over pages they say the same thing to me like they own it. Why shouldnt i feel like that when i have even more reason to take it personally. You can get me deleted off wikipedia, but you just cant remove what is true even if they havnt got links because i said i will get them. I'll post my personal evidence on youtube if i have to. What makes all these websites like sherdog etc more reliable when they allways make mistakes like date of birth, record for example. They dont know Hasdell, when his my dad, i got tons of information that i want to put on here. Just give me that chance to find the sources. I shouldnt even justify myself to you, you obviously dont work for wikipedia!
ClaudioProductions (
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I made a post at the reliable sources noticeboard to get opinions on whether the material on sfuk.lycos.com is reliable and can be used, see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#sfuk.tripod.com. -- aktsu ( t / c) 01:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Look before you go and revert it again. There is no need to change the mma record because i have found a source for that, plus that took me ages as well. Also the shootboxing challenge source is on youtube (video proof). I am going to try and find sources for the kickboxing section now. ClaudioProductions ( talk) 00:48, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Possibly useful sources not reviewed:
Unreliable sources:
-- aktsu ( t / c) 01:28, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
http://kok.s8.xrea.com/rings.html - why is this source unreliable ? ClaudioProductions ( talk) 21:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Now im back lets try and peacefully resolve this page. I would like you to help me put the information that i originally put up, but all sourced. How do i prove it is Hasdell in thoughs videos ? could i get Information that needs sourcing such as oktagon challenge etc on the ssj studio website, and then use that as a source ? thanks ClaudioProductions ( talk) 19:01, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I am sorry for being so stubborn. I agree with you 100% and understand how wikipedia works now. So the sources we need for this article are as followed
I have begun re doing the media critism bit. I am using the information straight from the source. Lee will put all the things from my origonal edit (that need sourcing) on the ssj studio website. One question, surely we can trust that RINGS website. It is the entire fight history of Fighting Network RINGS. There is no other website like it. I did complete Lee's record through my own research (scrapbooks, news paper cuttings, videos and general knowledge of his career) but then came across this website to confirm his record and thought i could use it as a source. Is there any way around it possibly ? Thank You ClaudioProductions ( talk) 17:50, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok good. I will try and use that template for the newspaper reports i have. What about magazine articles ? doi use the same template ? I have about 7 magazine articles and 3 scrapbooks with newspaper cuttings. So i have alot of information. Just need to find the most appropiate way of getting them on to wikipedia. ClaudioProductions ( talk) 23:22, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi the page is slowly improving. Just wondering why this link keeps being removed http://sfuk.tripod.com/2001/news21feb01.html ? thanks. ClaudioProductions ( talk) 14:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh ok, it is a official SFUK news page though. Sfuk has been around for about 10 years now as uk mixed martial arts base. Actually im pretty sure it was the first UK mma website and company. I am still searching though my articles so may come across sources for the parts that need citations ok. ClaudioProductions ( talk) 15:33, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Losses removed from mixed martial arts career section -
Wins removed from mixed martial arts career section -
(copied from my talkpage, prefer to keep Hasdell business here -- aktsu ( t / c) 23:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)) I removed wins and losses from this section of the article, why do we need every fight in this section ? Theres a mma record table at the bottom. This section looks too long, do not accuse me of just removing losses. What other refs do we need ? thanks ClaudioProductions ( talk) 22:51, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
I have removed just as many wins though. Yh that is ok i'll have to get some sources on the ssj website. thanks ClaudioProductions ( talk) 23:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Your basically dictating the article, the same in which you accuse me of! ClaudioProductions ( talk) 12:32, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
the lede states: "He has been referred to as the Godfather of UK MMA, and was the first person in the UK to engage in what could be considered a no holds barred competition." with the source being http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4185&zoneid=3. now, mmaweekly might be a reliable source for mma info -- i don't know -- but the problem is the wording of the claim. the sentence from mmaweekly actually says "The U.K. MMA scene has arguably been around since 1996 when Lee Hasdell became the first person in the UK to engage in what could be considered NHB competition." when a single sentence uses words and phrases like "arguably" and "in what could be considered" in the same sentence, then the claim becomes a bit ambiguous. if we are going to claim he is the first NHB fighter in the UK, we should have at least one more reputable source that is clear in its claim and not ambiguous in the syntax or lexicon. since we have no other sources, i am going to delete the whole sentence. i preferred 'one of the first MMA fighters in the UK' to 'the first fighter,' but since there is no source for that either, it would just be original research. and claudioproductions, your reverting without discussion and POV pushing and COI issues should be enough for you to at least engage in some discussion before you make any changes/reverts. Theserialcomma ( talk) 22:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok. well basically were going to have a tough time finding sources then, because all the ones withLee Hasdell in are unreliable. As for kickboxing record, Hasdell only had one kickboxing fight after 1995.
ClaudioProductions (
talk) 16:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)==
this article is becoming a terrible fluff piece again. can we get the article's subject son to propose his edits on the talk page before it's added to the article? there is too much unencyclopedic language creeping back in Theserialcomma ( talk) 01:52, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
The mixed martial arts record section keeps being reverted to the sherdog one. I have referenced all of these additional fights from http://www.prowrestlinghistory.com/. It is the best source for Fighting Network RINGS events. Sherdog only includes RINGS events since 1995 and are missing many between 1995-1999. Recently Lee Hasdell's record was reverted to a different record which was even missing the Ricardo Fyeet fight from sherdog??.
It was only a couple of years ago that Sherdog did not include fights with Hiromitsu Kanehara, Ryuki Ueyama and Ricardo Fyeet. Although it was always on this wikipedia page. Sherdog have since updated their page to include these fights, which proves there database is incomplete and still updating.
Plus why does Sherdog have to be the one true source for mixed martial events? MMA Universe does have different fights/events on their database, although every time i have referenced from their site, it gets reverted??. ClaudioProductions ( talk) 14:49, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
www.prowrestlinghistory.com does list the events and matches! You have to click on to the links on the page. For some reason, the rest of the web address does not show up when you go into other pages. ClaudioProductions ( talk) 03:22, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
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I have no major problems with the change to [[December 1]], [[2007]] format in the tables. I had changed the earlier 12-01-2007 format to 2007-12-01 for two reasons:
The current one does work; but it often leaves that field split between two lines. There is an alternative; linked dated do work properly with a three-letter month abbreviation, so you could use [[Dec 1]], [[2007]] instead, changing all the spelled out months to the three letter abbreviation. and it will display in accordance with user preferences, and I'm assuming it will also sort properly in a sortable table. It would make the tables look better. Gene Nygaard ( talk) 21:18, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I have per WP:V and WP:RS removed all unverifiable claims and claims from non-reliable sources. Reliably sourced additions are still welcome. The previous revision of the page is available here. -- aktsu ( t / c) 06:08, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Im not happy one bit, i think i am going to do what i was going to do anyway and create a website. I would love to know why you are working so hard to impact this page ? i gave you my reason! The changes you just made are against what we agreed with for example his mma record. I have told you that i will get sources for the rest including kickboxing record. just leave the page how it was, i am still working on it. The thing is no one knows more then him other then me and him, so when other people get involved in stating stuff that aint correct, or removing things that are correct. It irritates me. Looks like i will create a web page but if i do im taking this article off. I first put it on wikipedia, i will take it off. Not one person has added anything positive. When ever i go and edit over pages they say the same thing to me like they own it. Why shouldnt i feel like that when i have even more reason to take it personally. You can get me deleted off wikipedia, but you just cant remove what is true even if they havnt got links because i said i will get them. I'll post my personal evidence on youtube if i have to. What makes all these websites like sherdog etc more reliable when they allways make mistakes like date of birth, record for example. They dont know Hasdell, when his my dad, i got tons of information that i want to put on here. Just give me that chance to find the sources. I shouldnt even justify myself to you, you obviously dont work for wikipedia!
ClaudioProductions (
talk) 16:10, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I made a post at the reliable sources noticeboard to get opinions on whether the material on sfuk.lycos.com is reliable and can be used, see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#sfuk.tripod.com. -- aktsu ( t / c) 01:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Look before you go and revert it again. There is no need to change the mma record because i have found a source for that, plus that took me ages as well. Also the shootboxing challenge source is on youtube (video proof). I am going to try and find sources for the kickboxing section now. ClaudioProductions ( talk) 00:48, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Possibly useful sources not reviewed:
Unreliable sources:
-- aktsu ( t / c) 01:28, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
http://kok.s8.xrea.com/rings.html - why is this source unreliable ? ClaudioProductions ( talk) 21:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Now im back lets try and peacefully resolve this page. I would like you to help me put the information that i originally put up, but all sourced. How do i prove it is Hasdell in thoughs videos ? could i get Information that needs sourcing such as oktagon challenge etc on the ssj studio website, and then use that as a source ? thanks ClaudioProductions ( talk) 19:01, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I am sorry for being so stubborn. I agree with you 100% and understand how wikipedia works now. So the sources we need for this article are as followed
I have begun re doing the media critism bit. I am using the information straight from the source. Lee will put all the things from my origonal edit (that need sourcing) on the ssj studio website. One question, surely we can trust that RINGS website. It is the entire fight history of Fighting Network RINGS. There is no other website like it. I did complete Lee's record through my own research (scrapbooks, news paper cuttings, videos and general knowledge of his career) but then came across this website to confirm his record and thought i could use it as a source. Is there any way around it possibly ? Thank You ClaudioProductions ( talk) 17:50, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok good. I will try and use that template for the newspaper reports i have. What about magazine articles ? doi use the same template ? I have about 7 magazine articles and 3 scrapbooks with newspaper cuttings. So i have alot of information. Just need to find the most appropiate way of getting them on to wikipedia. ClaudioProductions ( talk) 23:22, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi the page is slowly improving. Just wondering why this link keeps being removed http://sfuk.tripod.com/2001/news21feb01.html ? thanks. ClaudioProductions ( talk) 14:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh ok, it is a official SFUK news page though. Sfuk has been around for about 10 years now as uk mixed martial arts base. Actually im pretty sure it was the first UK mma website and company. I am still searching though my articles so may come across sources for the parts that need citations ok. ClaudioProductions ( talk) 15:33, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Losses removed from mixed martial arts career section -
Wins removed from mixed martial arts career section -
(copied from my talkpage, prefer to keep Hasdell business here -- aktsu ( t / c) 23:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)) I removed wins and losses from this section of the article, why do we need every fight in this section ? Theres a mma record table at the bottom. This section looks too long, do not accuse me of just removing losses. What other refs do we need ? thanks ClaudioProductions ( talk) 22:51, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
I have removed just as many wins though. Yh that is ok i'll have to get some sources on the ssj website. thanks ClaudioProductions ( talk) 23:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Your basically dictating the article, the same in which you accuse me of! ClaudioProductions ( talk) 12:32, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
the lede states: "He has been referred to as the Godfather of UK MMA, and was the first person in the UK to engage in what could be considered a no holds barred competition." with the source being http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4185&zoneid=3. now, mmaweekly might be a reliable source for mma info -- i don't know -- but the problem is the wording of the claim. the sentence from mmaweekly actually says "The U.K. MMA scene has arguably been around since 1996 when Lee Hasdell became the first person in the UK to engage in what could be considered NHB competition." when a single sentence uses words and phrases like "arguably" and "in what could be considered" in the same sentence, then the claim becomes a bit ambiguous. if we are going to claim he is the first NHB fighter in the UK, we should have at least one more reputable source that is clear in its claim and not ambiguous in the syntax or lexicon. since we have no other sources, i am going to delete the whole sentence. i preferred 'one of the first MMA fighters in the UK' to 'the first fighter,' but since there is no source for that either, it would just be original research. and claudioproductions, your reverting without discussion and POV pushing and COI issues should be enough for you to at least engage in some discussion before you make any changes/reverts. Theserialcomma ( talk) 22:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok. well basically were going to have a tough time finding sources then, because all the ones withLee Hasdell in are unreliable. As for kickboxing record, Hasdell only had one kickboxing fight after 1995.
ClaudioProductions (
talk) 16:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)==
this article is becoming a terrible fluff piece again. can we get the article's subject son to propose his edits on the talk page before it's added to the article? there is too much unencyclopedic language creeping back in Theserialcomma ( talk) 01:52, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
The mixed martial arts record section keeps being reverted to the sherdog one. I have referenced all of these additional fights from http://www.prowrestlinghistory.com/. It is the best source for Fighting Network RINGS events. Sherdog only includes RINGS events since 1995 and are missing many between 1995-1999. Recently Lee Hasdell's record was reverted to a different record which was even missing the Ricardo Fyeet fight from sherdog??.
It was only a couple of years ago that Sherdog did not include fights with Hiromitsu Kanehara, Ryuki Ueyama and Ricardo Fyeet. Although it was always on this wikipedia page. Sherdog have since updated their page to include these fights, which proves there database is incomplete and still updating.
Plus why does Sherdog have to be the one true source for mixed martial events? MMA Universe does have different fights/events on their database, although every time i have referenced from their site, it gets reverted??. ClaudioProductions ( talk) 14:49, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
www.prowrestlinghistory.com does list the events and matches! You have to click on to the links on the page. For some reason, the rest of the web address does not show up when you go into other pages. ClaudioProductions ( talk) 03:22, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
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