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Heavy Metal should be removed from genre, as Led Zeppelin has always denied that label. Plus, the album is mainly acoustic filled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.51.113 ( talk) 01:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Several months ago I added text which explains the history of the album sleeve design. This information was referenced to reliable, reputable sources (a music magazine interview with a member of Led Zeppelin, who was quoted directly, and a Led Zeppelin reference book). The text has recently been removed and replaced with contrary information which is lacking in any citations.
The history page gives the reasoning of the person who conducted this edit:
This edit comes from the studio of the artist who produced the Led Zeppelin cover art and not from a web site. The information given is 100% correct.
I have reverted the text to its earlier incarnation. If the information in the first, substantiated text is incorrect, the replacement text requires citations from reliable sources. We can't just take anyone's word that the information given is 100% correct. Edelmand ( talk) 13:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
All Led Zeppelin albums have detailed genre fields in place of the more general rock description. That is how they have always been. No reason to change it now unless we go ahead and make every album that way and not just this one. Fair Deal ( talk) 22:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
So all the RHCP albums should just say rock to cover off the funk/punk/metal/pop/alt that each album has. Queen only has rock as a band genre description. But each of their albums have numerous genres to describe the individual albums differing styles. They don't all say rock. There really is no difference. Either they are individual/detailed/accurate for each album OR every single album says rock. This album has some metal, some blues and some folk... so that's what it says in the box. The lead-in says they're a "rock" band. All their lead-ins do. But their album boxes convey the detail that is individual to each album. Like a thousand other multi-genre artists do. Singling out 1 or 2 albums from a discogrpahy and making them inconsistent... just doesn't make any sense? The Real Libs- speak politely 19:10, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Is this album called III or Led Zeppelin III?!
the whole 2nd paragraph is fanboy jabber — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.181.142.1 ( talk) 04:14, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
I am changing the genres to: Folk rock, heavy metal, hard rock, blues rock
Firstly the material on the album is mostly folk rock: 'Friends' 'Gallows Pole' 'Tangerine' 'That's the Way' 'Bron-Y-Aur Stomp'
Second of all heavy metal: 'Immigrant Song' 'Celebration Day' 'Out on the Tiles'
Thirdly we have hard rock: 'Immigrant Song' 'Celebration Day'
And finally we have blues rock: 'Since I've Been Loving You' 'Gallows Pole' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.85.191 ( talk) 20:11, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
This is NOT the original LP cover ! 81.230.36.59 ( talk) 00:44, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
I have some problems with the Composition Section, a lot of which seems to have no references. While a lot of the information is correct - strictly speaking - it is presented in a way that could easily be misinterpreted. I guess my suggestion is that it needs some re-wording to say the same things in a less ambiguous way, but I'm not going to start that if it's going to be reverted so I thought I would see what people think first:
1. "As noted above, Led Zeppelin III marked a change in focus for the band from late 1960s hard rock to a folk rock and acoustic sound." - While that is true, and will make sense to people who know Led Zeppelin, people who don't could easily infer that Led Zeppelin's focus from this point on was folk rock and acoustic sound, which is patently false.
2. "These styles had been present to a lesser degree in the band's first two releases, but here they received the main emphasis, and would remain prominent to various degrees in the group's later albums." - Well, yes, that is strictly true. However when you consider that Led Zeppelin II contained Ramble On - which is a folk song - and there were other acoustic songs on both I and II, it doesn't really portray the actual reality when you consider that neither Presence or In Through The Out Door contained any folk or acoustic songs. Once again, a person who knows Led Zeppelin will understand what is meant, but someone who doesn't could easily get the wrong impression. While "...remain prominent to various degrees in the group's later albums..." is true, because "prominent to various degrees" can certainly mean "not at all", I don't think that's what a person with no knowledge would infer?
3. "This development endeared the band to many progressive rock fans who would never have listened to Led Zeppelin's established blues and rock repertoire." - I'm sure I don't really need to point out what is wrong with this claim? Though maybe I do! How on earth could anyone possible know what endeared "many progressive rock fans" to Led Zeppelin, and the claim would be highly dubious even if it had a source; which it doesn't. Why do we suddenly care that fans of some specific genre were endeared? I'm sure there were some folk enthusiasts who were endeared to the band by the album too, but they aren't mentioned. Were any fans of baroque classical music endeared to the album? Who cares and how is it relevant? If it is, then surely a more accurate claim would be that the band expanded their audience by branching into new territory, and that expanded audience probably comprised fans of the genres they branched into? FillsHerTease ( talk) 07:14, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Heavy Metal should be removed from genre, as Led Zeppelin has always denied that label. Plus, the album is mainly acoustic filled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.51.113 ( talk) 01:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Several months ago I added text which explains the history of the album sleeve design. This information was referenced to reliable, reputable sources (a music magazine interview with a member of Led Zeppelin, who was quoted directly, and a Led Zeppelin reference book). The text has recently been removed and replaced with contrary information which is lacking in any citations.
The history page gives the reasoning of the person who conducted this edit:
This edit comes from the studio of the artist who produced the Led Zeppelin cover art and not from a web site. The information given is 100% correct.
I have reverted the text to its earlier incarnation. If the information in the first, substantiated text is incorrect, the replacement text requires citations from reliable sources. We can't just take anyone's word that the information given is 100% correct. Edelmand ( talk) 13:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
All Led Zeppelin albums have detailed genre fields in place of the more general rock description. That is how they have always been. No reason to change it now unless we go ahead and make every album that way and not just this one. Fair Deal ( talk) 22:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
So all the RHCP albums should just say rock to cover off the funk/punk/metal/pop/alt that each album has. Queen only has rock as a band genre description. But each of their albums have numerous genres to describe the individual albums differing styles. They don't all say rock. There really is no difference. Either they are individual/detailed/accurate for each album OR every single album says rock. This album has some metal, some blues and some folk... so that's what it says in the box. The lead-in says they're a "rock" band. All their lead-ins do. But their album boxes convey the detail that is individual to each album. Like a thousand other multi-genre artists do. Singling out 1 or 2 albums from a discogrpahy and making them inconsistent... just doesn't make any sense? The Real Libs- speak politely 19:10, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Is this album called III or Led Zeppelin III?!
the whole 2nd paragraph is fanboy jabber — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.181.142.1 ( talk) 04:14, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
I am changing the genres to: Folk rock, heavy metal, hard rock, blues rock
Firstly the material on the album is mostly folk rock: 'Friends' 'Gallows Pole' 'Tangerine' 'That's the Way' 'Bron-Y-Aur Stomp'
Second of all heavy metal: 'Immigrant Song' 'Celebration Day' 'Out on the Tiles'
Thirdly we have hard rock: 'Immigrant Song' 'Celebration Day'
And finally we have blues rock: 'Since I've Been Loving You' 'Gallows Pole' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.85.191 ( talk) 20:11, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
This is NOT the original LP cover ! 81.230.36.59 ( talk) 00:44, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
I have some problems with the Composition Section, a lot of which seems to have no references. While a lot of the information is correct - strictly speaking - it is presented in a way that could easily be misinterpreted. I guess my suggestion is that it needs some re-wording to say the same things in a less ambiguous way, but I'm not going to start that if it's going to be reverted so I thought I would see what people think first:
1. "As noted above, Led Zeppelin III marked a change in focus for the band from late 1960s hard rock to a folk rock and acoustic sound." - While that is true, and will make sense to people who know Led Zeppelin, people who don't could easily infer that Led Zeppelin's focus from this point on was folk rock and acoustic sound, which is patently false.
2. "These styles had been present to a lesser degree in the band's first two releases, but here they received the main emphasis, and would remain prominent to various degrees in the group's later albums." - Well, yes, that is strictly true. However when you consider that Led Zeppelin II contained Ramble On - which is a folk song - and there were other acoustic songs on both I and II, it doesn't really portray the actual reality when you consider that neither Presence or In Through The Out Door contained any folk or acoustic songs. Once again, a person who knows Led Zeppelin will understand what is meant, but someone who doesn't could easily get the wrong impression. While "...remain prominent to various degrees in the group's later albums..." is true, because "prominent to various degrees" can certainly mean "not at all", I don't think that's what a person with no knowledge would infer?
3. "This development endeared the band to many progressive rock fans who would never have listened to Led Zeppelin's established blues and rock repertoire." - I'm sure I don't really need to point out what is wrong with this claim? Though maybe I do! How on earth could anyone possible know what endeared "many progressive rock fans" to Led Zeppelin, and the claim would be highly dubious even if it had a source; which it doesn't. Why do we suddenly care that fans of some specific genre were endeared? I'm sure there were some folk enthusiasts who were endeared to the band by the album too, but they aren't mentioned. Were any fans of baroque classical music endeared to the album? Who cares and how is it relevant? If it is, then surely a more accurate claim would be that the band expanded their audience by branching into new territory, and that expanded audience probably comprised fans of the genres they branched into? FillsHerTease ( talk) 07:14, 22 July 2018 (UTC)