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The album, as with other works of Led Zeppelin, contains songs that apparently draw heavily without attribution from other artists' material. Shouldn't this be addressed? Dogru144 ( talk) 17:39, 16 February 2014 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvLsutfI5M Dogru144 ( talk) 17:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
At least one of the songs on this album is now officially credited to a different writer than appeared in the original album: " Dazed and Confused" is an altered version of a song by Jake Holmes. But when I tried to change it, it was reverted because the editor claimed that the writer credit not in the official album notes (although the song is credited to "Page (inspired by Jake Holmes)" on the CD here: [1] [under images]).
Why are only official album liner notes recognized? I don't see anything in the article that indicates that this is the case. I think it should be changed to the credit that is now recognized as correct, or barring that, it should at least get a note. Squandermania ( talk)
I added "psychedelic rock" back to the info-box genre identification, using the same source used to ID "Dazed and Confused" as "psychedelic rock". The source is here: [1] . . . While the word "psychedelic" appears in the LZ I wiki-article only in reference to Page's guitar, this is due in part to the more extensive song pages for "Dazed and Confused" and others, where the music is discussed in full. This article is fairly brief. It could be pointed out that in 1969 the term "heavy metal" didn't exist relative to the heavier psychedelic rock of 1969 and 1970, but obviously Led Zep I heavily influenced the first wave of British metal, so . . . to have the metal genre cart go before the horse isn't such a terrible thing in this case.
I agree with the consensus that seems to have formed, i.e., that hard rock and blues rock apply to Led Zeppelin I. Do y'all agree that there's consensus on these two points? - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) 07:25, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Acid rock seems to apply to the album, for the reasons articulated by morganj9000. "Dazed and Confused" makes the case for me--I mean, that is a trippy sound when Page applies bow to guitar, not to mention the other three band members' contributions to the blues-based, hard-acid rock classic. The fact that--way back in the day--I loved to listen to the album and Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds at the same time has nothing to do with my opinion on the matter.
What do you all think? Acid rock Yea or Nay? - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) 07:26, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I prefer the term traditional heavy metal for Led Zeppelin I. But is "traditional heavy metal" an accepted subgenre? We (Wikipedia) say "yes" while we're saying "no".
YES - In the heavy metal genres article, one finds a section titled, traditional heavy metal.
But NO - However, the first three sentences of the traditional heavy metal section read as follows:
Traditional heavy metal, also known as classic metal or often simply heavy metal, is the group of bands and artists who play a metal music style similar to the style heard before the genre evolved and splintered into many different styles and subgenres. It is characterized by mid-to-fast-tempo riffs, by thumping basslines, crunchy riffs, extended lead guitar solos, and clean, often high-pitched vocals and anthemic choruses. It is not generally categorized as a subgenre of metal, but the main genre of it. Examples include Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and Dio." (citation superscript numbers [footnote numbers] omitted; emphasis added)
- Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) 07:27, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
The prose in the article covering the music (critical views, for instance) needs work first before dealing with how the infobox should reflect said prose--there is nothing verifying "hard rock", at least no more than "metal", in the body. A quick search for this album (and "hard rock"/"metal") found me these quotes, which I will add to the article:
According to Page, "Mickie Most had kindly lent me his Gibson J-200 for the first album. That was a magnificent-sounding guitar, absolutely incredible". He notes that many early songs were arranged on a Harmony Sovereign acoustic guitar [both in Tolinski's Light and Shade: Conversations with Jimmy Page]. However, there is no mention of a classical or nylon string guitar for "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" or other songs. The sentence "Page played a variety of guitars on the track" should be rewritten (apparently he just used the J-200 and Telecaster). — Ojorojo ( talk) 15:46, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Hey guys! New here. I wanted to add a quote to the section on Critical reception as follows: Rolling Stone originally panned the album saying:"...[Jimmy Page] is also a very limited producer and a writer of weak, unimaginative songs, and the Zeppelin album suffers from his having both produced it and written most of it (alone or in combination with his accomplices in the group)." [1] Is this acceptable? Thanks. Onthewingsofmaybe ( talk) 06:24, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
References
The Production subsection of the Recording section credits the album's innovative drum recording technique to Page. However, in his autobiography Sound Man the record's engineer, Glyn Johns, attributes it to an error he himself made (page 117 in my paperback edition). I don't think his claim is self-serving - he admits discovering the technique resulted from an error he made and adds that he might not have noticed it without Bonham's exceptional sound, and elsewhere in his book Johns seems quick to give credit where it is due. (For example, on page 203 he writes that the phasing effect on one section of The Small Faces' "Itchycoo Park" is often attributed to him, but that he was shown the technique by his then assistant George Chkiantz shortly before the recording session began.)
So how solid is the claim that Page was responsible for the drum recording technique? JezGrove ( talk) 22:21, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
2601:152:4401:B4D0:3410:E20D:B1D5:34AE: RIAA shows two certifications: [2]
The "More details" doesn't work on my setup.
— Ojorojo ( talk) 15:15, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
I question the release date. January 12, 1969 was a Sunday, and it's highly unusual for a record to be released on a Sunday. Friday was the standard new release day in the US at that time; I suspect the actual date was the 17th. Cortexo Modesto ( talk) 18:14, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
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The album, as with other works of Led Zeppelin, contains songs that apparently draw heavily without attribution from other artists' material. Shouldn't this be addressed? Dogru144 ( talk) 17:39, 16 February 2014 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvLsutfI5M Dogru144 ( talk) 17:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
At least one of the songs on this album is now officially credited to a different writer than appeared in the original album: " Dazed and Confused" is an altered version of a song by Jake Holmes. But when I tried to change it, it was reverted because the editor claimed that the writer credit not in the official album notes (although the song is credited to "Page (inspired by Jake Holmes)" on the CD here: [1] [under images]).
Why are only official album liner notes recognized? I don't see anything in the article that indicates that this is the case. I think it should be changed to the credit that is now recognized as correct, or barring that, it should at least get a note. Squandermania ( talk)
I added "psychedelic rock" back to the info-box genre identification, using the same source used to ID "Dazed and Confused" as "psychedelic rock". The source is here: [1] . . . While the word "psychedelic" appears in the LZ I wiki-article only in reference to Page's guitar, this is due in part to the more extensive song pages for "Dazed and Confused" and others, where the music is discussed in full. This article is fairly brief. It could be pointed out that in 1969 the term "heavy metal" didn't exist relative to the heavier psychedelic rock of 1969 and 1970, but obviously Led Zep I heavily influenced the first wave of British metal, so . . . to have the metal genre cart go before the horse isn't such a terrible thing in this case.
I agree with the consensus that seems to have formed, i.e., that hard rock and blues rock apply to Led Zeppelin I. Do y'all agree that there's consensus on these two points? - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) 07:25, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Acid rock seems to apply to the album, for the reasons articulated by morganj9000. "Dazed and Confused" makes the case for me--I mean, that is a trippy sound when Page applies bow to guitar, not to mention the other three band members' contributions to the blues-based, hard-acid rock classic. The fact that--way back in the day--I loved to listen to the album and Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds at the same time has nothing to do with my opinion on the matter.
What do you all think? Acid rock Yea or Nay? - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) 07:26, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I prefer the term traditional heavy metal for Led Zeppelin I. But is "traditional heavy metal" an accepted subgenre? We (Wikipedia) say "yes" while we're saying "no".
YES - In the heavy metal genres article, one finds a section titled, traditional heavy metal.
But NO - However, the first three sentences of the traditional heavy metal section read as follows:
Traditional heavy metal, also known as classic metal or often simply heavy metal, is the group of bands and artists who play a metal music style similar to the style heard before the genre evolved and splintered into many different styles and subgenres. It is characterized by mid-to-fast-tempo riffs, by thumping basslines, crunchy riffs, extended lead guitar solos, and clean, often high-pitched vocals and anthemic choruses. It is not generally categorized as a subgenre of metal, but the main genre of it. Examples include Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and Dio." (citation superscript numbers [footnote numbers] omitted; emphasis added)
- Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) 07:27, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
The prose in the article covering the music (critical views, for instance) needs work first before dealing with how the infobox should reflect said prose--there is nothing verifying "hard rock", at least no more than "metal", in the body. A quick search for this album (and "hard rock"/"metal") found me these quotes, which I will add to the article:
According to Page, "Mickie Most had kindly lent me his Gibson J-200 for the first album. That was a magnificent-sounding guitar, absolutely incredible". He notes that many early songs were arranged on a Harmony Sovereign acoustic guitar [both in Tolinski's Light and Shade: Conversations with Jimmy Page]. However, there is no mention of a classical or nylon string guitar for "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" or other songs. The sentence "Page played a variety of guitars on the track" should be rewritten (apparently he just used the J-200 and Telecaster). — Ojorojo ( talk) 15:46, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Hey guys! New here. I wanted to add a quote to the section on Critical reception as follows: Rolling Stone originally panned the album saying:"...[Jimmy Page] is also a very limited producer and a writer of weak, unimaginative songs, and the Zeppelin album suffers from his having both produced it and written most of it (alone or in combination with his accomplices in the group)." [1] Is this acceptable? Thanks. Onthewingsofmaybe ( talk) 06:24, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
References
The Production subsection of the Recording section credits the album's innovative drum recording technique to Page. However, in his autobiography Sound Man the record's engineer, Glyn Johns, attributes it to an error he himself made (page 117 in my paperback edition). I don't think his claim is self-serving - he admits discovering the technique resulted from an error he made and adds that he might not have noticed it without Bonham's exceptional sound, and elsewhere in his book Johns seems quick to give credit where it is due. (For example, on page 203 he writes that the phasing effect on one section of The Small Faces' "Itchycoo Park" is often attributed to him, but that he was shown the technique by his then assistant George Chkiantz shortly before the recording session began.)
So how solid is the claim that Page was responsible for the drum recording technique? JezGrove ( talk) 22:21, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
2601:152:4401:B4D0:3410:E20D:B1D5:34AE: RIAA shows two certifications: [2]
The "More details" doesn't work on my setup.
— Ojorojo ( talk) 15:15, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
I question the release date. January 12, 1969 was a Sunday, and it's highly unusual for a record to be released on a Sunday. Friday was the standard new release day in the US at that time; I suspect the actual date was the 17th. Cortexo Modesto ( talk) 18:14, 25 July 2023 (UTC)