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I think there is a position in the US called Research Prof which is the same as a reader. Also, I don't think that the career progression via reader is linear. Indeed at the university I work at they are phasing out that position.
--- Urr this is not true at all. Research Professors do exist, but in most cases this refers to someone who is on soft money.
I would suggest that the table showing equivalent ranks of UK old and new, and US, academic ranks, is not correct. A US associate professor with tenure is not equivalent to a reader. Tenure as an associate professor is possible after 6 years, a reader will invariably be much more senior. A US associate professor, with or without tenure, is equivalent to a senior lecturer, and a professor is equivalent to a reader. A professor with a named chair in the US is equivalent to a UK professor. Ncox 21:16, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd suggest that the relative numbers of readers versus associate professors are an indication of equivalent ranks. Also I've acted as a referee for tenure applications in the USA and for promotion applications to senior lecturer in the UK (I'm a full professor in New Zealand), and I'd say that they are broadly similar - though it must also be said that Australian and New Zealand senior lecturers are lower than those in the UK. Have a look at the Association of Commonwealth Universities website. They have some fascinating publications on academic salary equivalence Ncox 23:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC).
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Many UK academics retire in the position of senior lecturer after a full career as an academic. In fact, I would say not admitting this runs contrary to the above argument that readerships are more prestigious than associate professorships.
This is not a consequence of the previous statement, though something which is quite true. The two sentences are not contingent. Ncox 22:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I have asked around, and the trend to replace 'Reader' in the UK with 'Associate Professor' seems to be gaining ground. The only explanation I can find is commesurability with the North American system. Warwick was definitely the first to do it. The LSE had a vote on this, and decided not to follow their example. If this trend contines the article will have to be reworked. SB 10 Nov 06
Did you mean to say "naive or foreign academics" or is this a typo? Deadstar 09:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
How could it be a typo? I mean "foreign or naive" --- obviously someone from another country can't be expected to know that "senior lecturer" means two different things at apparently identical types of institutions (in theory all UK universities are on the same pay scale, though not actually any more), but I have also seen English people get fooled by this!-- Jaibe 21:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I am confused about the statement that British universities have largely given up tenure. Isn't tenure still granted to faculty members in old universities like Cambridge and Oxford ? If the answer is yes, at what level is one normally offered tenure (upon being promoted to Reader or upon taking a professorship only) ? Toeplitz 18:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
What is the basis for this table. As far as I understood the system a senior lecturer in the UK, which is a tenured post, is equivalent to a US Full Professor. Where are the sources for this? Billlion ( talk) 21:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
How do UK universities - particularly law faculties - assess the candidates for certain posts? I.e., is there a guideline requiring a certain number of publications for the post of a "reader" or "professor"? Besides, if such a guideline exists, do publications in foreign languages count? Thanks a lot! Tim. 171.66.60.147 ( talk) 22:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
The opening statements are very misleading, for in them we are told that in the United Kingdom, lecturer is a title for those at university in their first "permanent" position. In fact, a lecturer may only hold a temporary or fixed term contract and would still be a lecturer. This opening was also rather patronising; the name "lecturer" is typically given to a teacher who teaches in a place other than a school and in the post-compulsory education sector, so this would include those who lecture at colleges of further education or at sixth form colleges. ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 23:47, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Can we have a clarifying sentence about pre-1992 universities to be sure it is understood what this means? At least I am not sure about it. -- maye ( talk) 18:30, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
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Reader and associate professor are not the same thing at Warwick. 88.111.239.43 ( talk) 15:45, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
I do not like the picture (as of Jun 26th) and it should be replaced. Why is the lecturer surprised? -- 193.136.33.132 ( talk) 16:57, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
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I think there is a position in the US called Research Prof which is the same as a reader. Also, I don't think that the career progression via reader is linear. Indeed at the university I work at they are phasing out that position.
--- Urr this is not true at all. Research Professors do exist, but in most cases this refers to someone who is on soft money.
I would suggest that the table showing equivalent ranks of UK old and new, and US, academic ranks, is not correct. A US associate professor with tenure is not equivalent to a reader. Tenure as an associate professor is possible after 6 years, a reader will invariably be much more senior. A US associate professor, with or without tenure, is equivalent to a senior lecturer, and a professor is equivalent to a reader. A professor with a named chair in the US is equivalent to a UK professor. Ncox 21:16, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd suggest that the relative numbers of readers versus associate professors are an indication of equivalent ranks. Also I've acted as a referee for tenure applications in the USA and for promotion applications to senior lecturer in the UK (I'm a full professor in New Zealand), and I'd say that they are broadly similar - though it must also be said that Australian and New Zealand senior lecturers are lower than those in the UK. Have a look at the Association of Commonwealth Universities website. They have some fascinating publications on academic salary equivalence Ncox 23:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC).
Ncox edited this out as an incorrect assertion:
Many UK academics retire in the position of senior lecturer after a full career as an academic. In fact, I would say not admitting this runs contrary to the above argument that readerships are more prestigious than associate professorships.
This is not a consequence of the previous statement, though something which is quite true. The two sentences are not contingent. Ncox 22:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I have asked around, and the trend to replace 'Reader' in the UK with 'Associate Professor' seems to be gaining ground. The only explanation I can find is commesurability with the North American system. Warwick was definitely the first to do it. The LSE had a vote on this, and decided not to follow their example. If this trend contines the article will have to be reworked. SB 10 Nov 06
Did you mean to say "naive or foreign academics" or is this a typo? Deadstar 09:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
How could it be a typo? I mean "foreign or naive" --- obviously someone from another country can't be expected to know that "senior lecturer" means two different things at apparently identical types of institutions (in theory all UK universities are on the same pay scale, though not actually any more), but I have also seen English people get fooled by this!-- Jaibe 21:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I am confused about the statement that British universities have largely given up tenure. Isn't tenure still granted to faculty members in old universities like Cambridge and Oxford ? If the answer is yes, at what level is one normally offered tenure (upon being promoted to Reader or upon taking a professorship only) ? Toeplitz 18:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
What is the basis for this table. As far as I understood the system a senior lecturer in the UK, which is a tenured post, is equivalent to a US Full Professor. Where are the sources for this? Billlion ( talk) 21:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
How do UK universities - particularly law faculties - assess the candidates for certain posts? I.e., is there a guideline requiring a certain number of publications for the post of a "reader" or "professor"? Besides, if such a guideline exists, do publications in foreign languages count? Thanks a lot! Tim. 171.66.60.147 ( talk) 22:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
The opening statements are very misleading, for in them we are told that in the United Kingdom, lecturer is a title for those at university in their first "permanent" position. In fact, a lecturer may only hold a temporary or fixed term contract and would still be a lecturer. This opening was also rather patronising; the name "lecturer" is typically given to a teacher who teaches in a place other than a school and in the post-compulsory education sector, so this would include those who lecture at colleges of further education or at sixth form colleges. ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 23:47, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Can we have a clarifying sentence about pre-1992 universities to be sure it is understood what this means? At least I am not sure about it. -- maye ( talk) 18:30, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
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Reader and associate professor are not the same thing at Warwick. 88.111.239.43 ( talk) 15:45, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
I do not like the picture (as of Jun 26th) and it should be replaced. Why is the lecturer surprised? -- 193.136.33.132 ( talk) 16:57, 26 June 2020 (UTC)