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The following text and links were removed because they seemed to be personal opinions, not fact:
This edit was in response to http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_strauss/20060103.html.
Elpoca 20:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I find it disappointing that Stephen Strauss' attacks on this article resulted in it being self-censored, apparently by people who are not familiar with McLaren's writing. Strauss is also a writer for McLaren's paper and is hardly unbiased - and clearly does not understand how Wikipedia works, else would have edited the article himself, instead of griping about it on the CBC. In fact, he didn't seem to understand that the link to the article that called McLaren names was just that, an external link. He was welcome to add a link to an article praising McLaren (if he could find any).
The deleted text was opinion, and perhaps this was not stated clearly enough. Nonetheless, the mere existence of entire blogs devoted to criticism of McLaren is an indication that not everyone likes her writing, and the article should reflect this. The accusation of nepotism is well-founded - Cecily Ross is McLaren's mother, that is a matter of public record, and in fact even served as her editor: [3]
The text of the 2000 column described in the deleted text was until recently at [4]; its Google cache can be seen at [5].
- Tyronen
I am placing the POV tag on this article. My original text describing criticisms of McLaren was deleted, and no one has come forward with any alternative wording. McLaren's presence at the Globe has been controversial virtually since her appointment, and there is plenty of evidence on the web (the deleted links are just a few examples) of this. The trouble is that, when Stephen Strauss (another Globe columnist) criticized the original article, it seems to have provoked a fear of another John Siegenthaler-style backlash. Never mind that in Siegenthaler's case the accusations were clearly libelous, which they certainly were not here. The article as is cannot be considered unbiased as it completely obliterates criticism of this writer. If no one submits any alternative, I will restore my original text. We should not let ourselves be intimidated by the Globe and Mail. Tyronen 22:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
i can't believe that the glpobe and mail has lowered itself to this sort of embarrassing bumpf.
ditto- mclaren's BLATANT advertisement for her house, tarted up as an article. xcuse me whilst i barf 184.148.66.92 ( talk) 22:38, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Zoe Charlotte Greenberg put out a long article describing how she was sexually assaulted by McLaren, and how this is (incorrectly) described as a consensual threesome in the memoir.
https://zcgreenberg.medium.com/penguin-random-house-published-a-memoir-by-one-of-my-assailants-claiming-my-rape-was-consensual-3dd99c79633b 2A02:1812:1D3C:D000:2764:E75D:4269:8F ( talk) 10:48, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
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In December 2022 a woman came forward who is described in McLaren's memoir. In a blog post she stated that McLaren and a friend sexually assaulted her, while in her book McLaren paints their encounter as consensual. [1] Clocksbycoldplay ( talk) 13:57, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
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Link 5 is dead, Link 6 is unrelated to the topic addressed in the sentence it describes. 2604:3D08:B278:4500:AC2D:ED96:30BC:B96 ( talk) 04:06, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
The article has been semi-protected so cannot edit myself. In controversies, the first mention of McLaren's name is wrongly typed as McLearn. Thank you Real.poupoune ( talk) 16:33, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
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The following text and links were removed because they seemed to be personal opinions, not fact:
This edit was in response to http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_strauss/20060103.html.
Elpoca 20:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I find it disappointing that Stephen Strauss' attacks on this article resulted in it being self-censored, apparently by people who are not familiar with McLaren's writing. Strauss is also a writer for McLaren's paper and is hardly unbiased - and clearly does not understand how Wikipedia works, else would have edited the article himself, instead of griping about it on the CBC. In fact, he didn't seem to understand that the link to the article that called McLaren names was just that, an external link. He was welcome to add a link to an article praising McLaren (if he could find any).
The deleted text was opinion, and perhaps this was not stated clearly enough. Nonetheless, the mere existence of entire blogs devoted to criticism of McLaren is an indication that not everyone likes her writing, and the article should reflect this. The accusation of nepotism is well-founded - Cecily Ross is McLaren's mother, that is a matter of public record, and in fact even served as her editor: [3]
The text of the 2000 column described in the deleted text was until recently at [4]; its Google cache can be seen at [5].
- Tyronen
I am placing the POV tag on this article. My original text describing criticisms of McLaren was deleted, and no one has come forward with any alternative wording. McLaren's presence at the Globe has been controversial virtually since her appointment, and there is plenty of evidence on the web (the deleted links are just a few examples) of this. The trouble is that, when Stephen Strauss (another Globe columnist) criticized the original article, it seems to have provoked a fear of another John Siegenthaler-style backlash. Never mind that in Siegenthaler's case the accusations were clearly libelous, which they certainly were not here. The article as is cannot be considered unbiased as it completely obliterates criticism of this writer. If no one submits any alternative, I will restore my original text. We should not let ourselves be intimidated by the Globe and Mail. Tyronen 22:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
i can't believe that the glpobe and mail has lowered itself to this sort of embarrassing bumpf.
ditto- mclaren's BLATANT advertisement for her house, tarted up as an article. xcuse me whilst i barf 184.148.66.92 ( talk) 22:38, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Zoe Charlotte Greenberg put out a long article describing how she was sexually assaulted by McLaren, and how this is (incorrectly) described as a consensual threesome in the memoir.
https://zcgreenberg.medium.com/penguin-random-house-published-a-memoir-by-one-of-my-assailants-claiming-my-rape-was-consensual-3dd99c79633b 2A02:1812:1D3C:D000:2764:E75D:4269:8F ( talk) 10:48, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
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In December 2022 a woman came forward who is described in McLaren's memoir. In a blog post she stated that McLaren and a friend sexually assaulted her, while in her book McLaren paints their encounter as consensual. [1] Clocksbycoldplay ( talk) 13:57, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
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Link 5 is dead, Link 6 is unrelated to the topic addressed in the sentence it describes. 2604:3D08:B278:4500:AC2D:ED96:30BC:B96 ( talk) 04:06, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
The article has been semi-protected so cannot edit myself. In controversies, the first mention of McLaren's name is wrongly typed as McLearn. Thank you Real.poupoune ( talk) 16:33, 8 December 2022 (UTC)