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So I'm not sure what is the optimal way to do this. It used to be "3rd\4th" place for both team who lost the semifinals. "Miracle dream" changed it to 3rd place for both, and I'm not sure if it is better, since it's kind of unclear at first sight to understand why are there two 3rd places. We can also choose to go gamepedia's way, calling both places "SF" (Semifinalists).
Can anyone check and see what is the common way of doing so in other, more formidable, sports articles? Also, express your opinions here - if I don't get any comment, I will probably just revert it to "3rd\4th" since it seems more clear to me that way.
EDIT: I have checked a few other articles (FIFA World Cup and ASEAN Football Championship) and it seems the standard is to write "SF" when no 3rd place match was played, then explain SF as a note under the table. Haha01haha01 ( talk) 20:48, 7 October 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haha01haha01 ( talk • contribs) 18:27, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
I have now noticed that the article is named "League of Legends World Championships", while the correct spelling is "League of Legends World Championship" (notice no plural "s" in the end of "Championship"). This can be confirmed in multiple places:
Therefore, if no objection is posted here in the next couple of days, I will perform a move operation on the article to the new name of "League of Legends World Championship".
Haha01haha01 ( talk) 21:18, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Linking teams to countries is starting to become difficult. Not only in newer seeasons, as players transfer between regions, teams are becoming regionally-mixed as never seen before, but also the nationality of teams in older world championships is becoming disputed. Consider the following issues:
Over the time I've watched this article go through multiple revisions of people trying to correctly represent teams' countries. With the latest edit changing TSM to Canada+USA on grounds that "TSM had 2 Canadian players and 3 American players, attributing the medal solely to the USA is inaccurate" (which is a completely legitimate concern), I think it's time to consider this question. There are a few solutions I see to this problem:
I have meanwhile reverted the latest edits to the article - lets discuss the possibilities here before editing in the changes and breaking the current format. Haha01haha01 ( talk) 23:19, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
For now, I have changed the article back to state "2014 Season", since that is the name that has been used by Riot in every official announcement since the end of the Season 3 World Championship. There are countless aritcles on LoLeSports.com that could act as a reference here - most importantly, after selecting one of the leagues ("Leagues" tab) and then clicking the dropdown menu in the upper right corner (which brings up the history of tournaments ever since the LCS started), one can clearly see that all Season 3 tournaments are filed under "Season 3", while this and next year's games are filed under "2014" and "2015" respectively.
See for yourself (click the dropdown box that says "EU Spring Promotion")! -- Pascal40 ( talk) 00:55, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
When I created this article (I am the first editor in this article), I checked many source to create the table for each season. The way I defined the team country is based on the team organization not the nationality of team members. For example, nobody will define Real Madrid C.F. as a Portuguese team based on C. Ronaldo's nationality. Messi is a Argentine football player but Barcelona is a Spanish team. Hence,when we define a team nation, we should consider the team location or where the team founded not the nationality of team members. The problem is some teams' organizations have multiple locations but this case always happened for EU or NA. I checked all team location or organization from some websites. In the following least, I will show the location for each team. (Please check the team location in the websites I offer) For season 1, against All authority is a French (not EU) team: http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/Against_All_authority Team SoloMid is a north American team: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Team_SoloMid http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/Team_SoloMid Fnatic: http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/Fnatic
Team Cloud 9 is defined as a team from United State (not whole NA) but it never reached top 3: http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/Cloud9
For season 2, Taipei Assassins is a team from Taiwan: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Taipei_Assassins Counter Logic Gaming EU, apprently EU: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Taipei_Assassins Moscow Five is a Russian team: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Moscow_Five
For season 3, Royal Club is a Chinese team: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Royal_Club Fnatic (the same as season 1)
For season 4, Star Horn Royal Club is the same team with Royal Club in season 3: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Royal_Club It change its name and logo because of the ownership change.
If you use LCS,OGN or LPL to define the team, how do you deal with wild card team? Moreover, LCS and LPL are founded in 2013. Hence, no team from LCS (EU and NA) or LPL participated the season 1 and 2 world championship.
Actually, when I create the article, I did not create a metal table because it may be an original research. There is no official metal table so we don't have source to support this table. Then as I said before, LCS, LPL and GPL were founded in 2013 which should not contain season 1 and 2. Actually, season 1 was held on
Dreamhack with 8 teams from EU,NA and SEA. That means no Korean, Chinese or Taiwan team participated this competition.
Then if you create a metal table, why don't you create it based on team instead of OGN, LCS, GPL and LPL. Then how do you deal with wildcard teams if they reach top 3?
I think there is no need to create a metal table and suggest to delete it.
User talk:Miracle dream 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Does having 10+ copyrighted logos used on this page aid with anything? Does it increase clarity? Nergaal ( talk) 02:26, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
If anybody wants to have the LoL finals on wikipedia's main page, then people should start working on a separate article: 2015 League of Legends World Championship. Nergaal ( talk) 21:04, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Not sure what the consensus is, but in my opinion, and better summary would to show the area location of each year, rather than just the finals location (e.g. Asia-Pac 2014, Europe 2015). I think it is more preferable in a "summary" section, and just showing the flags, then showing the region name would be clearer and provide more information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamtholee ( talk • contribs) 12:09, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
I think a reasonable guideline is team names should only be updated if 1. The roster or organisation was acquired in whole or a majority of it was, and 2. The team has made any appearance at Worlds after the rebrand. It makes sense that Gen.G is carrying the legacy of Samsung Galaxy because a majority of its roster moved to KSV then Gen.G. It makes sense that J Team is carrying the legacy of the Taipei Assassins because the organisation was completely bought out by Jay Chou, even though only 2/5 players joined it. It is misleading to show that Hanwha Life Esports has finished 2nd and 3rd/4th because the obvious conclusion one would make is that Hanwha Life Esports has made it to Worlds, which it has never. In all instances it was an iteration of the Tigers. Hanwha Life Esports also does not claim the legacy of their predecessors, while teams like Gen.G have after qualifying for Worlds. Finally, the issue with updating team names by slot acquisition is the teams and organisations are completely different, and the team that sold it might still exist. To put this into perspective, based on slots only, CLG Europe becomes G2 Esports, Moscow Five becomes Team Vitality, and H2K becomes... one of either Excel, Rogue, Origen or SK Gaming. Does it make sense then that no legacy is carried on by slot acquisitions? Cheers, CentreLeftRight ✉ 06:30, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
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So I'm not sure what is the optimal way to do this. It used to be "3rd\4th" place for both team who lost the semifinals. "Miracle dream" changed it to 3rd place for both, and I'm not sure if it is better, since it's kind of unclear at first sight to understand why are there two 3rd places. We can also choose to go gamepedia's way, calling both places "SF" (Semifinalists).
Can anyone check and see what is the common way of doing so in other, more formidable, sports articles? Also, express your opinions here - if I don't get any comment, I will probably just revert it to "3rd\4th" since it seems more clear to me that way.
EDIT: I have checked a few other articles (FIFA World Cup and ASEAN Football Championship) and it seems the standard is to write "SF" when no 3rd place match was played, then explain SF as a note under the table. Haha01haha01 ( talk) 20:48, 7 October 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haha01haha01 ( talk • contribs) 18:27, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
I have now noticed that the article is named "League of Legends World Championships", while the correct spelling is "League of Legends World Championship" (notice no plural "s" in the end of "Championship"). This can be confirmed in multiple places:
Therefore, if no objection is posted here in the next couple of days, I will perform a move operation on the article to the new name of "League of Legends World Championship".
Haha01haha01 ( talk) 21:18, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Linking teams to countries is starting to become difficult. Not only in newer seeasons, as players transfer between regions, teams are becoming regionally-mixed as never seen before, but also the nationality of teams in older world championships is becoming disputed. Consider the following issues:
Over the time I've watched this article go through multiple revisions of people trying to correctly represent teams' countries. With the latest edit changing TSM to Canada+USA on grounds that "TSM had 2 Canadian players and 3 American players, attributing the medal solely to the USA is inaccurate" (which is a completely legitimate concern), I think it's time to consider this question. There are a few solutions I see to this problem:
I have meanwhile reverted the latest edits to the article - lets discuss the possibilities here before editing in the changes and breaking the current format. Haha01haha01 ( talk) 23:19, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
For now, I have changed the article back to state "2014 Season", since that is the name that has been used by Riot in every official announcement since the end of the Season 3 World Championship. There are countless aritcles on LoLeSports.com that could act as a reference here - most importantly, after selecting one of the leagues ("Leagues" tab) and then clicking the dropdown menu in the upper right corner (which brings up the history of tournaments ever since the LCS started), one can clearly see that all Season 3 tournaments are filed under "Season 3", while this and next year's games are filed under "2014" and "2015" respectively.
See for yourself (click the dropdown box that says "EU Spring Promotion")! -- Pascal40 ( talk) 00:55, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
When I created this article (I am the first editor in this article), I checked many source to create the table for each season. The way I defined the team country is based on the team organization not the nationality of team members. For example, nobody will define Real Madrid C.F. as a Portuguese team based on C. Ronaldo's nationality. Messi is a Argentine football player but Barcelona is a Spanish team. Hence,when we define a team nation, we should consider the team location or where the team founded not the nationality of team members. The problem is some teams' organizations have multiple locations but this case always happened for EU or NA. I checked all team location or organization from some websites. In the following least, I will show the location for each team. (Please check the team location in the websites I offer) For season 1, against All authority is a French (not EU) team: http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/Against_All_authority Team SoloMid is a north American team: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Team_SoloMid http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/Team_SoloMid Fnatic: http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/Fnatic
Team Cloud 9 is defined as a team from United State (not whole NA) but it never reached top 3: http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/Cloud9
For season 2, Taipei Assassins is a team from Taiwan: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Taipei_Assassins Counter Logic Gaming EU, apprently EU: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Taipei_Assassins Moscow Five is a Russian team: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Moscow_Five
For season 3, Royal Club is a Chinese team: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Royal_Club Fnatic (the same as season 1)
For season 4, Star Horn Royal Club is the same team with Royal Club in season 3: http://lol.gamepedia.com/Royal_Club It change its name and logo because of the ownership change.
If you use LCS,OGN or LPL to define the team, how do you deal with wild card team? Moreover, LCS and LPL are founded in 2013. Hence, no team from LCS (EU and NA) or LPL participated the season 1 and 2 world championship.
Actually, when I create the article, I did not create a metal table because it may be an original research. There is no official metal table so we don't have source to support this table. Then as I said before, LCS, LPL and GPL were founded in 2013 which should not contain season 1 and 2. Actually, season 1 was held on
Dreamhack with 8 teams from EU,NA and SEA. That means no Korean, Chinese or Taiwan team participated this competition.
Then if you create a metal table, why don't you create it based on team instead of OGN, LCS, GPL and LPL. Then how do you deal with wildcard teams if they reach top 3?
I think there is no need to create a metal table and suggest to delete it.
User talk:Miracle dream 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Does having 10+ copyrighted logos used on this page aid with anything? Does it increase clarity? Nergaal ( talk) 02:26, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
If anybody wants to have the LoL finals on wikipedia's main page, then people should start working on a separate article: 2015 League of Legends World Championship. Nergaal ( talk) 21:04, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Not sure what the consensus is, but in my opinion, and better summary would to show the area location of each year, rather than just the finals location (e.g. Asia-Pac 2014, Europe 2015). I think it is more preferable in a "summary" section, and just showing the flags, then showing the region name would be clearer and provide more information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamtholee ( talk • contribs) 12:09, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
I think a reasonable guideline is team names should only be updated if 1. The roster or organisation was acquired in whole or a majority of it was, and 2. The team has made any appearance at Worlds after the rebrand. It makes sense that Gen.G is carrying the legacy of Samsung Galaxy because a majority of its roster moved to KSV then Gen.G. It makes sense that J Team is carrying the legacy of the Taipei Assassins because the organisation was completely bought out by Jay Chou, even though only 2/5 players joined it. It is misleading to show that Hanwha Life Esports has finished 2nd and 3rd/4th because the obvious conclusion one would make is that Hanwha Life Esports has made it to Worlds, which it has never. In all instances it was an iteration of the Tigers. Hanwha Life Esports also does not claim the legacy of their predecessors, while teams like Gen.G have after qualifying for Worlds. Finally, the issue with updating team names by slot acquisition is the teams and organisations are completely different, and the team that sold it might still exist. To put this into perspective, based on slots only, CLG Europe becomes G2 Esports, Moscow Five becomes Team Vitality, and H2K becomes... one of either Excel, Rogue, Origen or SK Gaming. Does it make sense then that no legacy is carried on by slot acquisitions? Cheers, CentreLeftRight ✉ 06:30, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
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