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Concerning "the date in Russian is written as 7/8/1932" - that is the way dates are written by civilized people who use the Gregorian calendar, either from the shortest time unit to the longest or else from the longest to the shortest. But I thought the explanation should be left as is unless there is a consensus to correct it. As for the importance scale, it seems important to me. Axel 21:05, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
The number of persons condemned to death under the age of 16 in USSR during Stalin era is by most accounts less than 10. I strongly oppose allusions that it was common practice to execute children picking up spikelets as it was in the previous version of the article. BesterRus ( talk) 10:22, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Just wanted to tell you about this case. The radio "Echo of Moscow" once had the inadvertence to say that Stalin had children from age 12 executed. The grandson of Stalin went to court against the radio because the remark was a slander. The radio's lawyer and editor in chef didn't manage to prove in court that children were executed in USSR, simply because there was no proof. I hope you reconsider your position in the light of this info. Goodnight. BesterRus ( talk) 18:26, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
On the other (going to court), my understanding is that Radio Echo Moscow has contended that Evgenyi Dzhugashvili has no claim to protect Josef Stalin's honor without genetic evidence as to familial relationship—so, no further claims until Josef is exhumed and DNA testing done. Dzhugashvili's latest (AFAIK) claim was dismissed in April. As for the case you mention, which I expect would have restricted arguments to strictly archival evidence = formal trials, sentences of death, and the carrying out thereof, that is simply a variation on your theme of archival-evidence-only-need-apply presentation on the subject matter.
PЄTЄRS J V ►
TALK 18:57, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
P.S. Perhaps seeing our areas of apparent contention as less of a combat zone might help. At the moment, I'm reminded of the old adage associated with Stalin: Лес рубят, щепки летят.
PЄTЄRS J V ►
TALK 19:04, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Alas, for the modern industrial mechanized age
PЄTЄRS J V ►
TALK 19:32, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
As good a place as any for another side discussion. On only using official statistics/archives of the dead:
Powell, J. How Woodrow Wilson's Great Blunder Led to Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, and World War II. Powell is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute.
Let's not foment for Soviet archives being the "last word" in anything.
PЄTЄRS J V ►
TALK 00:45, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Where does "3" come from? This needs to be included. 174.3.125.23 ( talk) 13:25, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
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I'm unclear about the implications of this: does it mean that the food shortages were caused because quotas were providing for industrial workers elsewhere, or that people were prosecuted by trying to provide to local workers and the poorest contrary to the quotas and collectivist ownership? -- Vometia ( talk) 12:17, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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Concerning "the date in Russian is written as 7/8/1932" - that is the way dates are written by civilized people who use the Gregorian calendar, either from the shortest time unit to the longest or else from the longest to the shortest. But I thought the explanation should be left as is unless there is a consensus to correct it. As for the importance scale, it seems important to me. Axel 21:05, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
The number of persons condemned to death under the age of 16 in USSR during Stalin era is by most accounts less than 10. I strongly oppose allusions that it was common practice to execute children picking up spikelets as it was in the previous version of the article. BesterRus ( talk) 10:22, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Just wanted to tell you about this case. The radio "Echo of Moscow" once had the inadvertence to say that Stalin had children from age 12 executed. The grandson of Stalin went to court against the radio because the remark was a slander. The radio's lawyer and editor in chef didn't manage to prove in court that children were executed in USSR, simply because there was no proof. I hope you reconsider your position in the light of this info. Goodnight. BesterRus ( talk) 18:26, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
On the other (going to court), my understanding is that Radio Echo Moscow has contended that Evgenyi Dzhugashvili has no claim to protect Josef Stalin's honor without genetic evidence as to familial relationship—so, no further claims until Josef is exhumed and DNA testing done. Dzhugashvili's latest (AFAIK) claim was dismissed in April. As for the case you mention, which I expect would have restricted arguments to strictly archival evidence = formal trials, sentences of death, and the carrying out thereof, that is simply a variation on your theme of archival-evidence-only-need-apply presentation on the subject matter.
PЄTЄRS J V ►
TALK 18:57, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
P.S. Perhaps seeing our areas of apparent contention as less of a combat zone might help. At the moment, I'm reminded of the old adage associated with Stalin: Лес рубят, щепки летят.
PЄTЄRS J V ►
TALK 19:04, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Alas, for the modern industrial mechanized age
PЄTЄRS J V ►
TALK 19:32, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
As good a place as any for another side discussion. On only using official statistics/archives of the dead:
Powell, J. How Woodrow Wilson's Great Blunder Led to Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, and World War II. Powell is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute.
Let's not foment for Soviet archives being the "last word" in anything.
PЄTЄRS J V ►
TALK 00:45, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Where does "3" come from? This needs to be included. 174.3.125.23 ( talk) 13:25, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
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The second paragraph says this:
I'm unclear about the implications of this: does it mean that the food shortages were caused because quotas were providing for industrial workers elsewhere, or that people were prosecuted by trying to provide to local workers and the poorest contrary to the quotas and collectivist ownership? -- Vometia ( talk) 12:17, 30 July 2020 (UTC)