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Well, this has seemed to be a contentious point, hasn't it? The truth is, it depends on which series one counts.
L&O:LA is clearly the fifth American series with "Law & Order" in its title. By the minimum count that makes this the fourth spin-off (as the original wasn't a spin-off of itself).
However, Conviction is usually solidly considered part of the franchise, as it not only obviously occupied the same universe, but actually featured as one of its leads a character created for SVU. In many ways, it is a Law & Order in all but name. But... if we consider Conviction, other series set in the universe without a "Law & Order" title that can be considered less direct spin-offs, such as Deadline, might need to be counted as well. Their connections are weaker, and not likely to be recognized by most, leading to more confusion.
And that's without even accounting for the foreign adaptations. I personally don't count those because they aren't produced by the same companies and mostly adapt pre-existing US scripts (even the UK series), which, in my opinion, makes them less original works. Others might disagree, which could lead to more conflict there.
Avoiding any potential conflict is a good idea, and the easiest way to do that is simply not reference which number spin-off it is. So I endorse the current state of the article that does just that. oknazevad ( talk) 03:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
The phrase "Law & Order: Los Angeles is the first American Law & Order series not set in New York City" is not factually correct. There was a 2002 reality television spin-off of Law & Order that consisted of following real cases involving the San Diego DA's office from arrest to conviction/sentencing. That show was called Crime & Punishment. To that end, I would suggest changing this sentence to indicate that this is the first FICTIONAL L & O series to be set in a city outside of New York. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.139.35 ( talk) 05:43, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
The title of the show has been changed to Law & Order: LA (not Law & Order: L.A.). This is seen in the new promos and on Nikki Finke's DeadlineHollywood —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.105.42 ( talk) 17:37, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 02:19, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Law & Order: Los Angeles → Law & Order: LA — I think this page should be moved to Law & Order: LA (from Law & Order: Los Angeles) on the basis that the show itself has changed it's title. It can be seen in the 9th episode which aired originally on April 11, 2011 at 9:00PM (EST). SVU4671 ( talk) 03:52, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
This page currently states the following:
Show runner René Balcer released a video shortly after its cancellation was announced, urging fans to call NBC to renew the series, as the season ends with a cliff-hanger.[19][20]
I submitted the following revision, which another editor reverted. I'm hoping to discuss this issue here.
Show runner René Balcer released a video shortly after its cancellation was announced, urging fans to call NBC to renew the series, and stating that the season would end with a cliff-hanger.[19][20] (However, due to the episodes being aired out of sequence, the episode he referred to, "Hayden Tract", was in fact not the final episode to be aired.)
First, why is the original version incorrect? Because it states that "the season ends with a cliff-hanger" as if it were a fact. But this is untrue, because the final episode to be aired will be "Westwood", which is not a cliffhanger, and in fact contains the first cast rather than the second cast.
Second, what is the evidence that he was referring to "Hayden Tract"? Here I admit the ground is thinner. HT does have the last production number (0122) but by itself that's not evidence. But consider: In the YouTube video with Balcer [2], which is already cited on this page as a source (and in fact is the only source for Balcer's original claim), Balcer states, "as you'll see from this episode, we end with a cliffhanger, so if you want to see how it works out for Corey, you've gotta write [to the powers that be].... By the first episode next season you'll see how it works out for our old friend T.J." (in the video at 1:20). So he is referring to a cliff-hanger in which the fate of Detective Tomas "TJ" Jaruszalski, played by Corey Stoll, hangs in the balance. And the only such episode of this show is "Hayden Tract".
I think this argument is solid. I think that a footnote could be added that refers to the video, and perhaps includes an explanatory sentence. So the only question is whether the use of this logic violates WP:OR. I think it doesn't, because "Hayden Tract" does in fact have the last production number, and Balcer is clearly referring to that episode. But since he doesn't give its name I would rather see if there's a consensus here before submitting my edits again. — Lawrence King ( talk) 20:43, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Hayden Tract is the season finale! It wasn't the last aired because they had to burn off leftover eps. with the original cast. No question or debate about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caringtype1 ( talk • contribs) 17:23, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
I've removed this addition, sourced to this page, because I literally cannot find anyone news article reporting on the show being picked up by TNT. I've hit Google News, Google, etc. and all the stories are just about B.D Wong leaving the show. I'm also rather hesitant to rely on this as the sole source because "Trevor Jones" does not show any professional reporter by that name on Google (so not a well-known expert in his field) and the website is on Wordpress and has no domain name. I would really like more confirmation if this is true or not. hbdragon88 ( talk) 02:51, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
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Well, this has seemed to be a contentious point, hasn't it? The truth is, it depends on which series one counts.
L&O:LA is clearly the fifth American series with "Law & Order" in its title. By the minimum count that makes this the fourth spin-off (as the original wasn't a spin-off of itself).
However, Conviction is usually solidly considered part of the franchise, as it not only obviously occupied the same universe, but actually featured as one of its leads a character created for SVU. In many ways, it is a Law & Order in all but name. But... if we consider Conviction, other series set in the universe without a "Law & Order" title that can be considered less direct spin-offs, such as Deadline, might need to be counted as well. Their connections are weaker, and not likely to be recognized by most, leading to more confusion.
And that's without even accounting for the foreign adaptations. I personally don't count those because they aren't produced by the same companies and mostly adapt pre-existing US scripts (even the UK series), which, in my opinion, makes them less original works. Others might disagree, which could lead to more conflict there.
Avoiding any potential conflict is a good idea, and the easiest way to do that is simply not reference which number spin-off it is. So I endorse the current state of the article that does just that. oknazevad ( talk) 03:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
The phrase "Law & Order: Los Angeles is the first American Law & Order series not set in New York City" is not factually correct. There was a 2002 reality television spin-off of Law & Order that consisted of following real cases involving the San Diego DA's office from arrest to conviction/sentencing. That show was called Crime & Punishment. To that end, I would suggest changing this sentence to indicate that this is the first FICTIONAL L & O series to be set in a city outside of New York. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.139.35 ( talk) 05:43, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
The title of the show has been changed to Law & Order: LA (not Law & Order: L.A.). This is seen in the new promos and on Nikki Finke's DeadlineHollywood —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.105.42 ( talk) 17:37, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 02:19, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Law & Order: Los Angeles → Law & Order: LA — I think this page should be moved to Law & Order: LA (from Law & Order: Los Angeles) on the basis that the show itself has changed it's title. It can be seen in the 9th episode which aired originally on April 11, 2011 at 9:00PM (EST). SVU4671 ( talk) 03:52, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
This page currently states the following:
Show runner René Balcer released a video shortly after its cancellation was announced, urging fans to call NBC to renew the series, as the season ends with a cliff-hanger.[19][20]
I submitted the following revision, which another editor reverted. I'm hoping to discuss this issue here.
Show runner René Balcer released a video shortly after its cancellation was announced, urging fans to call NBC to renew the series, and stating that the season would end with a cliff-hanger.[19][20] (However, due to the episodes being aired out of sequence, the episode he referred to, "Hayden Tract", was in fact not the final episode to be aired.)
First, why is the original version incorrect? Because it states that "the season ends with a cliff-hanger" as if it were a fact. But this is untrue, because the final episode to be aired will be "Westwood", which is not a cliffhanger, and in fact contains the first cast rather than the second cast.
Second, what is the evidence that he was referring to "Hayden Tract"? Here I admit the ground is thinner. HT does have the last production number (0122) but by itself that's not evidence. But consider: In the YouTube video with Balcer [2], which is already cited on this page as a source (and in fact is the only source for Balcer's original claim), Balcer states, "as you'll see from this episode, we end with a cliffhanger, so if you want to see how it works out for Corey, you've gotta write [to the powers that be].... By the first episode next season you'll see how it works out for our old friend T.J." (in the video at 1:20). So he is referring to a cliff-hanger in which the fate of Detective Tomas "TJ" Jaruszalski, played by Corey Stoll, hangs in the balance. And the only such episode of this show is "Hayden Tract".
I think this argument is solid. I think that a footnote could be added that refers to the video, and perhaps includes an explanatory sentence. So the only question is whether the use of this logic violates WP:OR. I think it doesn't, because "Hayden Tract" does in fact have the last production number, and Balcer is clearly referring to that episode. But since he doesn't give its name I would rather see if there's a consensus here before submitting my edits again. — Lawrence King ( talk) 20:43, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Hayden Tract is the season finale! It wasn't the last aired because they had to burn off leftover eps. with the original cast. No question or debate about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caringtype1 ( talk • contribs) 17:23, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
I've removed this addition, sourced to this page, because I literally cannot find anyone news article reporting on the show being picked up by TNT. I've hit Google News, Google, etc. and all the stories are just about B.D Wong leaving the show. I'm also rather hesitant to rely on this as the sole source because "Trevor Jones" does not show any professional reporter by that name on Google (so not a well-known expert in his field) and the website is on Wordpress and has no domain name. I would really like more confirmation if this is true or not. hbdragon88 ( talk) 02:51, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
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