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@Yahya has obviously no respect for wiki rules, policies and other editors. Based on his alleged corruption theories and offencies against authors of published sources in articles, he proposes to replace sourced materials with his personal POV. Both Etienne and I referred to common wiki policies, which he disregards and persues his POV pushing. Hayordi ( talk) 14:19, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
I am writting to a wall. Look Friend, go ahead, twist my words do whatever you want. I won't be wasting any more time with the nationalistic war. I'm done. bargads Hay vortin, orme gartna :) Yahya Talatin ( talk) 15:19, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Lavash in Persian is and has always simply been called "lavash". There's no such thing as "mar'ou'a مرقوق" (someone added that as a supposed unsourced synonym) in the language. Lavash is simply called Lavash in all the nations their lingua franca's that use the bread en masse, namely in Armenia, Iran, Turkey and the Caucasian republics. I'm just writing this here might in the future it be brought back for some ludicrous and miraculous reason.
- LouisAragon ( talk) 15:28, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
@ Esc2003: I think deleting the country paragraph from the info box at the right side is not necessary. We should more countries apart from Armenia (didn't realise this), but it is not good to delete the 'country' section itself from the side box. Well we can decide here better. -- 92slim ( talk) 02:33, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
I wasn't aware that UNESCO has authority above everything else. There is obviously a problem in marking the name of a country (and excluding others) for food, since food knows no frontier. Yaḥyā ( talk) 00:51, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
The article states that lavash is unleavened, but one of the references says that it is made with yeast. A Google search produces many articles and recipes that mention yeast or the use of a starter in the preparation of lavash. Can anyone shed some light on how lavash is prepared 1) traditionally and 2) currently/commonly, say in a country like Armenia? Ketone16 ( talk) 15:54, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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Is this word etymologically related to laffa? 76.189.141.37 ( talk) 04:14, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
EtienneDolet, please be carefull while reverting other constructive edits. You removed UNESCO template with Azerbaijan, Iran, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Turkey thinking that "no mention of armenia as a state party". But Armenia was already mentioned as "state party" in another template. There are two UNESCO templates in article as Lavash was included in UNESCO list twice. First under Armenia, second time under Azerbaijan, Iran, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Turkey. The photo of granny is also related to Azerbaijan, not Armenia by the way (so I placed it to template, where Azerbaijan is written, and added new photo from Armenia to the template, where Armenia was written). And what was a reason two remove Azerbaijani description of Lavash? You wrote "edit neutrally", but you removed all state parties excluding Armenia. So, I returned this template and Azeri description. Now it is neutral. Interfase ( talk) 21:09, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Undeniably Lavash is an Iranian bread. Armenians, citing false claims by a person named Acharian(or Adjarian), claiming that the bread in Tehran was called Armenian bread! which is a big lie because no one in Iran had ever called it Armenian bread! Apparently a user by the name of Vahagn Petrosyan ( talk · contribs) has spread it to Wikipedia and Wiktionary to justify this false claim. This bread is one of the oldest bread that has been baked for thousands of years and belongs to the ancient civilizations of the Iranian plateau.-- Irman ( talk) 08:08, 8 September 2019 (UTC) Moreover, they are likely to have deceived the UNESCO with this false claim.-- Irman ( talk) 08:20, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Gogolplex: I wrote the Wiktionary page. The most relevant source for the Semitic origin is Ačaṙean 1979 quoted there. I would remove Martirosyan's etymology altogether. -- Vahagn Petrosyan ( talk) 12:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Given what the sources that are cited in the "controversial origins" section say, which one of the following wording sounds better ?
1) "The origin of lavash is often attributed to Armenia, but some scholars say lavash probably originated in Iran."
2) "The origin of lavash is attributed to Armenia or Iran."---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 15:49, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
@ ZaniGiovanni: Please read WP:OR, the fact that most of the sources cited in the article support an Armenian origin is not a legit reason to say that most of the sources support an Armenian origin, we would need reliable sources explicitly saying that most of the sources support an Armenian origin for that.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 18:31, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
You have yet to provide a reason for your changes without discussion. ZaniGiovanni ( talk) 19:18, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
We are in an obvious disagreement here. I asked for a third opinion from an editor and admin who has been involved with the scope of the projects. In the meantime, I would highly suggest for @ Wikaviani to calm down as they're breaching WP:CIVILITY and WP:HARASS. "You better focus on content rather than editors, the point here is that you are unable to understand what i told you above" : What website do you think this is @ Wikaviani or whom do you think you're talking to? The user also has difficulties assuming WP:GF : "you have not been able to provide reliable sources supporting that sentence that fits with your POV about lavash being often attributed to Armenia".
@ Visioncurve with respect, I'd also like to hear what an admin thinks about the canvassing stuff. ZaniGiovanni ( talk) 08:46, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Hey El_C, thanks for stepping in this. Just wanted to make sure, do we really need to go through a RfC in order to legitimize this edit i made in order to go by what the cited sources say (if so, then i'll proceed) ? Also please tell me if the argument pointed out by ZaniGiovanni is valid or not (they say that since there are 4 sources supporting an Armenian origin vs 3 supporting an Iranian origin, that means that the sentence "The origin of lavash is often attributed to Armenia" is legit while none of the sources actually say that). Thanks in advance. Cheers.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 13:37, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
I agree that an RFC is better than DRN in this case. As we remind editors from time to time, DRN is a mediation noticeboard and not an arbitration noticeboard. We do not decide a content issue, but facilitate discussion. If there are already two or more well-defined viewpoints, then at DRN I would formulate an RFC. The RFC below has not been activated yet. If it is supposed to be an official RFC, then it needs to be activated by inserting the template that calls the bot to do behind-the-scenes work. Robert McClenon ( talk) 16:22, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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@Yahya has obviously no respect for wiki rules, policies and other editors. Based on his alleged corruption theories and offencies against authors of published sources in articles, he proposes to replace sourced materials with his personal POV. Both Etienne and I referred to common wiki policies, which he disregards and persues his POV pushing. Hayordi ( talk) 14:19, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
I am writting to a wall. Look Friend, go ahead, twist my words do whatever you want. I won't be wasting any more time with the nationalistic war. I'm done. bargads Hay vortin, orme gartna :) Yahya Talatin ( talk) 15:19, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Lavash in Persian is and has always simply been called "lavash". There's no such thing as "mar'ou'a مرقوق" (someone added that as a supposed unsourced synonym) in the language. Lavash is simply called Lavash in all the nations their lingua franca's that use the bread en masse, namely in Armenia, Iran, Turkey and the Caucasian republics. I'm just writing this here might in the future it be brought back for some ludicrous and miraculous reason.
- LouisAragon ( talk) 15:28, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
@ Esc2003: I think deleting the country paragraph from the info box at the right side is not necessary. We should more countries apart from Armenia (didn't realise this), but it is not good to delete the 'country' section itself from the side box. Well we can decide here better. -- 92slim ( talk) 02:33, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
I wasn't aware that UNESCO has authority above everything else. There is obviously a problem in marking the name of a country (and excluding others) for food, since food knows no frontier. Yaḥyā ( talk) 00:51, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
The article states that lavash is unleavened, but one of the references says that it is made with yeast. A Google search produces many articles and recipes that mention yeast or the use of a starter in the preparation of lavash. Can anyone shed some light on how lavash is prepared 1) traditionally and 2) currently/commonly, say in a country like Armenia? Ketone16 ( talk) 15:54, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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Is this word etymologically related to laffa? 76.189.141.37 ( talk) 04:14, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
EtienneDolet, please be carefull while reverting other constructive edits. You removed UNESCO template with Azerbaijan, Iran, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Turkey thinking that "no mention of armenia as a state party". But Armenia was already mentioned as "state party" in another template. There are two UNESCO templates in article as Lavash was included in UNESCO list twice. First under Armenia, second time under Azerbaijan, Iran, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Turkey. The photo of granny is also related to Azerbaijan, not Armenia by the way (so I placed it to template, where Azerbaijan is written, and added new photo from Armenia to the template, where Armenia was written). And what was a reason two remove Azerbaijani description of Lavash? You wrote "edit neutrally", but you removed all state parties excluding Armenia. So, I returned this template and Azeri description. Now it is neutral. Interfase ( talk) 21:09, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Undeniably Lavash is an Iranian bread. Armenians, citing false claims by a person named Acharian(or Adjarian), claiming that the bread in Tehran was called Armenian bread! which is a big lie because no one in Iran had ever called it Armenian bread! Apparently a user by the name of Vahagn Petrosyan ( talk · contribs) has spread it to Wikipedia and Wiktionary to justify this false claim. This bread is one of the oldest bread that has been baked for thousands of years and belongs to the ancient civilizations of the Iranian plateau.-- Irman ( talk) 08:08, 8 September 2019 (UTC) Moreover, they are likely to have deceived the UNESCO with this false claim.-- Irman ( talk) 08:20, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Gogolplex: I wrote the Wiktionary page. The most relevant source for the Semitic origin is Ačaṙean 1979 quoted there. I would remove Martirosyan's etymology altogether. -- Vahagn Petrosyan ( talk) 12:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Given what the sources that are cited in the "controversial origins" section say, which one of the following wording sounds better ?
1) "The origin of lavash is often attributed to Armenia, but some scholars say lavash probably originated in Iran."
2) "The origin of lavash is attributed to Armenia or Iran."---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 15:49, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
@ ZaniGiovanni: Please read WP:OR, the fact that most of the sources cited in the article support an Armenian origin is not a legit reason to say that most of the sources support an Armenian origin, we would need reliable sources explicitly saying that most of the sources support an Armenian origin for that.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 18:31, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
You have yet to provide a reason for your changes without discussion. ZaniGiovanni ( talk) 19:18, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
We are in an obvious disagreement here. I asked for a third opinion from an editor and admin who has been involved with the scope of the projects. In the meantime, I would highly suggest for @ Wikaviani to calm down as they're breaching WP:CIVILITY and WP:HARASS. "You better focus on content rather than editors, the point here is that you are unable to understand what i told you above" : What website do you think this is @ Wikaviani or whom do you think you're talking to? The user also has difficulties assuming WP:GF : "you have not been able to provide reliable sources supporting that sentence that fits with your POV about lavash being often attributed to Armenia".
@ Visioncurve with respect, I'd also like to hear what an admin thinks about the canvassing stuff. ZaniGiovanni ( talk) 08:46, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Hey El_C, thanks for stepping in this. Just wanted to make sure, do we really need to go through a RfC in order to legitimize this edit i made in order to go by what the cited sources say (if so, then i'll proceed) ? Also please tell me if the argument pointed out by ZaniGiovanni is valid or not (they say that since there are 4 sources supporting an Armenian origin vs 3 supporting an Iranian origin, that means that the sentence "The origin of lavash is often attributed to Armenia" is legit while none of the sources actually say that). Thanks in advance. Cheers.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 13:37, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
I agree that an RFC is better than DRN in this case. As we remind editors from time to time, DRN is a mediation noticeboard and not an arbitration noticeboard. We do not decide a content issue, but facilitate discussion. If there are already two or more well-defined viewpoints, then at DRN I would formulate an RFC. The RFC below has not been activated yet. If it is supposed to be an official RFC, then it needs to be activated by inserting the template that calls the bot to do behind-the-scenes work. Robert McClenon ( talk) 16:22, 17 July 2021 (UTC)