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Odd that there are sub-headings under the "Controversies" section on this page that point to nowhere. Is it common Wikipedia practice to edit the Talk Pages? Or did someone "mistakenly" mess up the format so that things couldn't be seen?
Also the only mention of the nude photos is under the Television Heading:
Nowhere does it mention that the pictures were released to the internet by Bill Ballance or that Laura at first denied the existence of such pictures.
Is Wikipedia just here to tell us about the nice things about people they care about? How is that NPOV? Feddx ( talk) 19:09, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
1. I was being civil. I don't think there's anything uncivil about stating one's opinion on a talk page, whether you agree with it or not. I believe you're inferring something that's not there.
2. As I have not yet edited the article, and was trying to get a bead on why people are omitting facts, I'm not really an editor here yet. I came to the talk page first to see why, and now I'm pretty sure of what's going on. I usually follow that protocol before editing an article.
3. Here are verifiable sources apart from the NY Post one I've already supplied:
It took me all of 5 minutes to come up with these verifiable sources. And I'll restate this; nowhere in Wikipedia Sources have I ever read that the entire text of anything cited by an editor needs to be available for free online. In fact all it asks is that you cite the sources inline. And yes, Major Newspapers are reliable sources. From the 3rd paragraph of Wikipedia Sources:
In general, the best sources have a professional structure in place for checking or analyzing facts, legal issues, evidence, and arguments; as a rule of thumb, the greater the degree of scrutiny given to these issues, the more reliable the source. Academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources where available, such as in history, medicine, and science, but material from reliable non-academic sources may also be used in these areas, particularly if it appears in respected mainstream publications. Other reliable sources include university-level textbooks, books published by respected publishing houses, magazines, journals, and mainstream newspapers.(my emphasis)
In fact if you keep reading down that page you will see Access to sources. It reads:
The principle of verifiability implies nothing about ease of access to sources: some online sources may require payment, while some print sources may be available only in university libraries. WikiProject Resource Exchange may be able to assist in obtaining copies/excerpts of sources that are not easily accessible.
I hope this straightens it out for you. I'll be adding information on the nude pictures and other verifiable information to this article soon. Feddx ( talk) 22:10, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
In 2007, Schlessinger began fundraising for Operation Family Fund, an organization which aids the families of fallen or seriously injured veterans of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
I think what is meant here - if it is intended as information rather than sentiment or euphemism - is "killed and seriously wounded" veterans. If, as a matter of fact, OFF also aids the "seriously injured" - as for example, those who have suffered severe trauma as a result of accidents rather than hostile actions - then that detail should be added, not substituted, in the text. Womiles ( talk) 23:16, 13 August 2010 (UTC)w o miles, baltimore
"Dr. Laura" has a PhD in Physiology. Marriage and Family Counselor/Therapist is a legal designation in most States, defined by having met very specific educational and supervised experience requirements in Marriage and Family Therapy or Psychology before passing rigorous examinations. Physiology is not a commensurate field of study.
Whatever you think of her advice show, she violates a number of the basic ethics and laws governing Marriage and Family Therapists.
If, indeed, Ms. Schlessenger, PhD practiced for a time as an unlicensed counselor, please correct the entry to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.50.151.176 ( talk) 03:46, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
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The wiki page says:
Today's Dr. Laura Show is a joint effort between Take On The Day, which produces it, Talk Radio Network, which syndicates and markets it to radio stations, and Premiere Radio Networks, (a subsidiary of Clear Channel), which provides satellite facilities and handles advertising sales.
I went to the Talk Radio Network and found no evidence of Dr. Laura. I think someone may have confused Laura (Schlessinger) with Laura Ingraham (who does have a show at Talk Radio Network)
(She does seem to be affiliated with Take On The Day and Premiere Radio Networks) 72.43.206.226 ( talk) 17:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Not done: Welcome. There are plenty of hits for "Talk Radio Network" and "Dr. Laura". I see you point about talkradionetwork.com, but try
trn1.com. Thanks,
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On August 10, 2010, on a call with an African-American woman who was seeking advice concerning her own interracial marriage, Schlessinger used the word "cracker" eleven times, saying that mention of the term did not constitute racism. She told the caller that she had the right to say the word because black comedians and actors on HBO say it, and cited a previous race-related comment made by her that was "funny" (and was made to her bodyguard, a black man). She also claimed that black people voted for Barack Obama for President on the basis of skin color, as an example of blacks as well as whites making judgments based solely on skin color.[15] She apologized for doing the "wrong thing" a day later.[16] She understood the importance of apologizing before the media got wild and asked her to apologize, and did so praising herself for her quick response to her mistake. Some may argue this incident may have led to her decision to not sign a new contract with her current talk show syndicate.
On August 17, 2010 Schlessinger announced the end of her radio show during an appearance on Larry King Live, saying that her motivation was to "regain her first amendment rights."[17] During King’s interview with Schlessinger, Shlessinger also added that she wanted to live her life without threats and was tired of all the hate she received for exercising her amendment rights. She said she has decided to move her work to the Internet and not return to talk radio.
Avargasj (
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Not done: Please detail your request in a 'please change X to Y' manner. Copying the entire section makes it difficult to understand the change you want to make. Thanks,
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Racist aren't racist and homophobes are just charming because to say otherwise might be pejorative.-- DCX ( talk) 06:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
With the subjective definition of what is and isn't considered 'verifiable' actual racist have to go out and have to be caught lynching someone on a cell phone camera several times before they can be considered racists . And of course because News sources can be considered as 'reliable you need have several videographers who of course don't run a blog or have actually said anything else in public that might be considered 'POV"
DRCarroll 04:28 August 2010 —Preceding undated comment added 09:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC).
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The cited doctoral thesis is NOT her work. It is in fact the work of a serious group of Japanese researchers.
Glucose tolerance factor stimulates 3-0-methylglucose transport into isolated rat adipocytes
Masakuni Tokudaa, Atsunori Kashiwagic, Eiji Wakamiyab, Tatsuya Ogunib, Makoto Minob and Hiroyuki Kagamiyamaa
a Department of Medical Chemistry, Osaka Medical College, 2-7 Daigakumachi, Takatsuki, Osaka 569, Japan
b Department of Pediatrics, Osaka Medical College, 2-7 Daigakumachi, Takatsuki, Osaka 569, Japan
c Third Department of Medicine, Shiga University of Medical Science, Seta, Ohtsu, Shiga 520-21, Japan Received 30 March 1987. Available online 08 December 2004.
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The sentence under racial comments that reads "She also said, "It's never okay to use that word." [34]" should in fairness bechanged to read She also said, "It's never okay to use that word, although she herself used the word five times during the call." [34][transcript of call]
Dureagle ( talk) 22:44, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
This is trivia and ought to be removed as such. I'm sure magazines have also asked her what her favourite colour is, and who she like in friends. None of this makes the information encyclopedic. We are not a human interest magazine.
I'm not going to edit war with User:Freakshownerd over this. So, a third opinion please?-- Scott Mac 14:33, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anybody have a copy of this article? It will be important to see it, as the citation has been used to make controversial allegations that are apparently false.... e.g. the date of the the Lewis wedding and announcing that LS was pregnant at the wedding. Unless we ourselves can verify the material, I think we should be very cautious about trusting the material sourced to this. -- Slp1 ( talk) 22:07, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Recently, this phrase was added, then removed by another editor. Her parents married in Italy "due to her mother's pregnancy." with the reason given that this explained her parent's troubled marriage. [3] Because some editors here are apparently persistent in adding and re-adding certain material, I am discussing this now, because of the likelihood that this material will be re-added.
In my view whether LS was conceived out of "wedlock" some 60 years ago is irrelevant to her bio. The editor who added this information said it explained her parents' unhappiness - but that reasoning is OR and SYN -- look at the sources and you will see. It is also contrary to what LS herself wrote:
I actually liked hearing that I was a "love child," because it meant there was at least one time they had been happy with each other."
I hope this information says out, permanently.
KeptSouth ( talk) 14:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
<--Redent. Right you are, a columnist in Rupurt Murdoch's sensationalistic Times of London did use the term "shotgun".
Our purpose in writing and editing these bios, however is not "to suggest" things, or to "seem to connect the ideas" (look a few line up - I am quoting you). Rather, according to BLP policy, "conjectural interpretations" of a source are to be avoided, please also see WP:No original research which prohibits "any analysis or synthesis by Wikipedians of published material, where the analysis or synthesis advances a position not advanced by the sources." --Regards KeptSouth ( talk) 20:20, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
why is this article under "racism"? I see no reason why it should be in it anymore than jesse jackson or spike lee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.255.120.245 ( talk) 23:11, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
I am moving information about LS's marriage and family life from the Radio career section, to a new section. It has been mixed in -- often out of chronological sequence, and often in a confusing way -- with information about her radio career and shows. The nude photos was a huge controversy at the time, and should not be lumped in with her early radio career, so I am moving it to the controversies section. KeptSouth ( talk) 08:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Fixed factual errors, and added Dr Luara's low view of Hansen's choice to marry a white man = one of the main reasons Hansen did not accept the apology. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous ( talk) 04:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not put extra emphasis on ethnicity, so I will remove her ethnicity from the infobox.-- And Rew 03:25, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
There's a typo in one of the last paragraphs of the section "Television show". It says "had used show staff to falsely pose as a guests on the show." when it should have deleted the -s of "guests" (ie "had used show staff to falsely pose as a guest on the show."). I would have corrected it myself, but this article is locked. 86.152.225.110 ( talk) 19:52, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Firstly, the infobox says religion. She is no longer a practicing Jew. Secondly, according to Jewish law, your mother must be Jewish for one to claim it as her heritage and/or ethnicity. LS' mother was Italian. If Laura was the least bit Jewish, she would have followed Jewish Law and respected her mother. Mom would not have died alone and lay decomposing for 2 months. I would personally be quite embarrassed if she claimed ANY aspect of Judaism. DocOfSoc ( talk) 04:40, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Your emotional statements above show POV and they are not completely correct. In reform and non-Orthodox Judaism, one may consider themselves Jewish even if they aren't born of a Jewish mother. And it's not in the Law, it's in the Mishnah. Schlessinger became an Orthodox Jew but she was already Jewish by heritage. As far as her mother dying, that has nothing to do with anything in regard to whether or not Schlessinger was Jewish at the time or if she is now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NeoNeuroGeek ( talk • contribs) 04:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
We don't judge whether people are Jewsih by anyone' particular definition of that. If the sources say she considers herself Jewish, then that's what we call her. Period. There are plenty "Christians" who have behaved in ways, or even expoused beliefs, which other Christians would say makes then an unbeliver or apostate, but I doubt I'd have much success in getting the "Christian" description removed from the popes who'd had 10 mistresses. Wikipedia generally used the definition of "self-description" not the rules of the Mishnah, or of Orthodoxy to decide what to call people.-- Scott Mac 08:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
"I still see myself as a Jew" - that's good enough for me. She doesn't say "ethnic Jew" or whatever else you may wish to dismiss this as. She sees herself as a Jew - you may not, but we go with her. As I said "who is Jewish" "who is Christian" is ultimately a definition that will vary by group and POV. There's plenty people describing themselves as Christian, and thus described as such by wikipeia, whom I suspect are sons of Satan, but that's my problem. I can't see how her envying of Christians makes a difference.-- Scott Mac 08:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, Great Scott! She is a Jew! Her ethnicity! If the info box said ethnicity, we would be not having this discussion. What it does say is religion, and Jewish is a religion she clearly does not practice and has decried vociferously. How come the differentiation seems unclear? Ethnicity: Jewish, Religion: none. Breathlessly awaiting your hallowed response ;-) DocOfSoc ( talk) 09:09, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Jewish dictionary: Ju·da·ism (jd-zm) n. 1. The monotheistic religion of the Jews, tracing its origins to Abraham and having its spiritual and ethical principles IF, after Religion, we could put Judaism, there would be no discussion. She has rejected Judaism as a religion. "Jewishness is our heritage, " Judaism" is our religion.(quoteth my Favorite Jew) Namaste... DocOfSoc ( talk) 10:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Clarification. I made no negative comments about Judaism or Jews. The practice of Judaism and it's tenets is an integral part of my ministry. I cherish my Jewish community even tho' I am not officially a member. Christianity is totally based on Judaism and compliment each other in so many ways. God said: love me as you love yourself. Amen DocOfSoc ( talk) 21:00, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Her claim to be a "licensed psychotherapist", and her use of the "Dr. Laura" name while giving advice have engendered controversy. Critics contend that these titles lead her listeners to assume that she holds a doctorate in psychology, or that she is a psychiatrist, and that state law in California limits the use of the "psychotherapist" term to those holding a psychotherapist license. [1] [2] However, she does hold a California license as a family and marriage counselor which she obtained after completing classes and training from the University of Southern California (USC), [3] [4] and her Ph.D in physiology qualifies her for the title of Doctor. In regard to her 2000-2001 television show, she stated in an appearance on CNN's Larry King Live that she had requested that it be called "Schlessinger," in the tradition of Phil Donahue's successful talk show that was titled with his last name. Producers refused this request and television show was given the title Dr. Laura. Schlessinger has characterized her radio show as a "moral health program" rather than an "advice program" which has allowed her to avoid continued criticism for giving psychological advice. [2] Although critics have called her approach to callers shrewish and scolding, others see it as frank and blunt. Schlessinger has also been compared to the highly popular Judge Judy. [5]
In 1998, admittedly upset that he was snubbed by Schlessinger at an event, former radio mentor Bill Ballance sold nude photos of Schlessinger [6] to media outlet Internet Entertainment Group (IEG). [7] Schlessinger had posed for the photos while involved in a sexual relationship with Ballance in the 1970s. IEG, known for distributing a sex tape of Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee, purchased the photos and subsequently posted them on its website which were later leaked to the general public. Schlessinger initially denied that the photos were of her, but then claimed a copyright interest in them in court. Attempts to have the photos removed from various websites failed after a court ruling stated that IEG had legally acquired the rights to the material. She later admitted that the photos were authentic, addressed the issue on her show calling Ballance a "mentor and friend", and said she was "mystified as to why this 80-year-old man would do such a morally reprehensible thing." She claimed to have possessed "no moral authority" when the photos were taken, citing her age at the time of twenty-eight and a painful divorce as factors contributing to her voluntarily being photographed nude. She added that she had undergone "profound changes over the course of my life, from atheist to observant Jew." The incident brought to light accusations that Schlessinger had been unfaithful in her first marriage, caused the breakdown of her second husband's marriage, cohabitated with him while unmarried, and intentionally conceived a child with him out of wedlock. Schlessinger had railed against infidelity, cohabitation, and intentional single-parenthood on her show, but never addressed that these were part of her personal life experience. Schlessinger responded to these criticisms saying:
“ | A hypocrite is someone who says 'Do as I say, not as I do.' A teacher is someone who says, 'Do as I say, not as I did.' [8] | ” |
In 1998, Schlessinger was in a Costa Mesa surf shop, with her son, when she began perusing Big Brother, a skateboarding magazine. Schlessinger deemed the magazine to be "stealth pornography," and said so on her radio show. When the owner of the store publicly denied that she found pornography in his store, Schlessinger sued him for lying, claiming that his denial had hurt her reputation. [9] dead link When the case went to court, the judge dismissed her suit as frivolous but the shop owner's $4 million defamation countersuit lodged for hurting the reputation of his store, was allowed to stand. [10] [11] The suit has since been settled, but the terms of the settlement have not been revealed. [12] Off the record, lawyers and friends claimed victory, indicating the settlement was "about the amount of a moderately-priced Orange County home" (at the time, $650,000 to $2 million).
Prior to 1997, Schlessinger was very supportive of gay callers to her show. During that time, she took issue with Christian religious leaders who opposed gay relationships, and said that it was cruel to deny love and happiness to same-sex couples. She renounced this view in 1997. Soon, her monologues approvingly mentioned ex-gay groups that claimed they could help gay and lesbian people through conversion therapy, and she attacked the American Psychological Association for condemning their stance that conversion therapy was harmful to patients and damaging to society. Schlessinger also began citing psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover in support of her new views. [13]
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In her book The Ten Commandments,(ironically enough) she calls herself a "licensed psychotherapist." Her Ph.D., however is in physiology, not psychology. Though she does have an MFCC (a certificate in marriage, family, and child counseling), the State of California, where she resides, does not consider her a psychotherapist. In fact, it is illegal in California to call oneself a psychotherapist without a state license, which she does not have. Whatever one may think of the requirement for state licenses ... her claim that she is a "licensed psychotherapist" is on shaky ethical ground.
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Where are all the controversies? This woman is known more for her troubles --regardless of if you're a big fan of hers or not. Stop whitewashing! --
204.169.162.3 (
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When there are three separate headings for publications, charitable work and awards with one of them having subheadings, isn't it giving too much legitimacy to the person's positive qualities? I think there should be a controversy section too. Kc27 ( talk) 00:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
I have reviewed the page and noticed that NONE of these controversies are mentioned in the article anymore. Doing a search for the word libel revealed zero hits, photos revealed one hit that didn't truly elaborate on that controversy, and there's nothing about physiology in there. I have added all of these portions back into the main part of the article. If anyone has an issue with the manner in which they are or are not incorporated into the article the onus is on YOU to incorporate them, not simply remove them. "Controversy" sections are pretty normal in bio pages.
alexif ( talk) 05:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
No, I don't. You and others are removing materials that you don't like and are coming up with nonsensical excuses. First it was that it was incorporated into the article (it wasn't) and now it's that it wasn't sourced (it was). You're simply making up reasons because you have an agenda. I don't. The amount of information on here is tolerable, so I won't get into some inane back and forth on wikipedia about this with you. Tell Dr. Laura I said "hi" as you very clearly work for her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.22.63.1 ( talk) 10:15, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I reincorporated a deleted section on her son. He was an adult during the entirety of the controversy, it affected her work, and simliar to the other people detailed in the "personal" section of her page, it is a particularly illuminating example of how her personal and professional life differ. I will periodically monitor this page to ensure it is not removed without justification. 130.22.63.1 ( talk) 08:48, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Schlessinger has been getting a lot of press lately as a result of this: [10]. As a result, this article is likely to get increased traffic in the next few days, so it might benefit from having a few more watchers. Stonemason89 ( talk) 21:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
I think any sentence that includes a phrase like "further motivation may have been" doesn't belong into a Wikipedia article. It's cool to point out that a number of her sponsors have canceled, but not to suggest that Schlessinger's decision was predicated on that. That's a conclusion readers may draw from the combined facts. Hmoulding ( talk) 14:41, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Absolutely. In fact, this should probably be locked down - there's currently some vandal constantly putting up a picture of genital warts as the photo on this article. 76.25.129.96 ( talk) 01:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
He's blocked. As for coverage, that depends on the media. If enough of the media makes a big deal out of it, then it should go in the article. From what I see, she wasn't caught in any sort of Mel Gibson rant, so the folks who want to get their shorts in a bunch will, and the rest of us will just shrug and move on. Rklawton ( talk) 01:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
The majority of the MSM news websites(msnbc.com cbsnews.com abcnews.com) along with a string of blogs are covering this story. It's inclusion in the article is imminent. I won't be adding it, because I can't stand this woman, and can't be NPOV enough to edit the article. See ya. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.31.106.35 ( talk) 02:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
The website Media Matters has noted that Schlessinger's website has excised the recording of the call in which she says the n word eleven times. They have also posted a complete transcript of the call and a recording of the call. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucie Sofia ( talk • contribs) 16:07, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
I also think a much more serious issue is the use of the n-word out of context in the opening paragraphs, despite it being offensive and without including a fuller explanation of what the discussion was about ie. whether the word was always offensive and that it is often used by rappers and comedians. I think we should use better discretion and provide a better explanation that gives a fuller understanding of what occured. Freakshownerd ( talk) 21:47, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Dr. Laura did not use the word, Nigger, as a "racial epithet". Readers of Wikipedia ought not have to weed through speech codes in order to get to the truth of the matter.-- Bureaucracy ( talk) 18:39, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
We keep having material added stating Schlessinger was parodied on the WestWing. Now, I've seen the show and it may well be a parody, but AFAICT we don't have a reliable source saying that the WW was directly parodying here. Snopes isn't reliable - and pointing to the episode or its transcript invites OR. The show never claimed it was Schlessinger.-- Scott Mac 22:48, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
That is a word that should be used as sparingly as possible, but Wikipedia is not censored, and nothing should ever be bowlderized in an article. The article states that she used the word 11 times. It then quotes her uses of it, but says, "n,n,n" and "n-word". That's obviously not what she said. These euphemisms need to be removed. Instead of a direct quote that would require us to print that word 11 times, how about using a summary of what she said, sans the euphemisms? Joefromrandb ( talk) 09:07, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
article coz it has no controversy reg homosexuality and stuff, u hide the truth that this worthless clown hoe ass slut said, see in german article and read quotes this worthless parasite slut said there — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.26.184.200 ( talk) 18:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
I will be more polite than the last comment. One day a caller questioned routine infant circumcision and Dr. Laura flew into a rant, claiming that all opposition to circumcision was just a cover for antisemitism and an attempt to exterminate Jews. She is unfit to give advice to anyone. Radio Sharon ( talk) 14:50, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Article could perhaps shed some more light on the "Letter to Dr. Laura" viral email (after all, the letter was real, and it goes quite far in explaining some widespread opposition to her beliefs). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.14.91 ( talk) 17:26, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
There have been multiple edits, since reverted, claiming that this person, Laura Schlessinger's husband, has died. This must not be allowed, unless reliable sourcing is provided. Hearing her say her husband died is not a reliable source. Reliable sourcing is necessary for any article, but especially for an article about a living person. SMP0328. ( talk) 20:29, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
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Odd that there are sub-headings under the "Controversies" section on this page that point to nowhere. Is it common Wikipedia practice to edit the Talk Pages? Or did someone "mistakenly" mess up the format so that things couldn't be seen?
Also the only mention of the nude photos is under the Television Heading:
Nowhere does it mention that the pictures were released to the internet by Bill Ballance or that Laura at first denied the existence of such pictures.
Is Wikipedia just here to tell us about the nice things about people they care about? How is that NPOV? Feddx ( talk) 19:09, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
1. I was being civil. I don't think there's anything uncivil about stating one's opinion on a talk page, whether you agree with it or not. I believe you're inferring something that's not there.
2. As I have not yet edited the article, and was trying to get a bead on why people are omitting facts, I'm not really an editor here yet. I came to the talk page first to see why, and now I'm pretty sure of what's going on. I usually follow that protocol before editing an article.
3. Here are verifiable sources apart from the NY Post one I've already supplied:
It took me all of 5 minutes to come up with these verifiable sources. And I'll restate this; nowhere in Wikipedia Sources have I ever read that the entire text of anything cited by an editor needs to be available for free online. In fact all it asks is that you cite the sources inline. And yes, Major Newspapers are reliable sources. From the 3rd paragraph of Wikipedia Sources:
In general, the best sources have a professional structure in place for checking or analyzing facts, legal issues, evidence, and arguments; as a rule of thumb, the greater the degree of scrutiny given to these issues, the more reliable the source. Academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources where available, such as in history, medicine, and science, but material from reliable non-academic sources may also be used in these areas, particularly if it appears in respected mainstream publications. Other reliable sources include university-level textbooks, books published by respected publishing houses, magazines, journals, and mainstream newspapers.(my emphasis)
In fact if you keep reading down that page you will see Access to sources. It reads:
The principle of verifiability implies nothing about ease of access to sources: some online sources may require payment, while some print sources may be available only in university libraries. WikiProject Resource Exchange may be able to assist in obtaining copies/excerpts of sources that are not easily accessible.
I hope this straightens it out for you. I'll be adding information on the nude pictures and other verifiable information to this article soon. Feddx ( talk) 22:10, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
In 2007, Schlessinger began fundraising for Operation Family Fund, an organization which aids the families of fallen or seriously injured veterans of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
I think what is meant here - if it is intended as information rather than sentiment or euphemism - is "killed and seriously wounded" veterans. If, as a matter of fact, OFF also aids the "seriously injured" - as for example, those who have suffered severe trauma as a result of accidents rather than hostile actions - then that detail should be added, not substituted, in the text. Womiles ( talk) 23:16, 13 August 2010 (UTC)w o miles, baltimore
"Dr. Laura" has a PhD in Physiology. Marriage and Family Counselor/Therapist is a legal designation in most States, defined by having met very specific educational and supervised experience requirements in Marriage and Family Therapy or Psychology before passing rigorous examinations. Physiology is not a commensurate field of study.
Whatever you think of her advice show, she violates a number of the basic ethics and laws governing Marriage and Family Therapists.
If, indeed, Ms. Schlessenger, PhD practiced for a time as an unlicensed counselor, please correct the entry to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.50.151.176 ( talk) 03:46, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
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Today's Dr. Laura Show is a joint effort between Take On The Day, which produces it, Talk Radio Network, which syndicates and markets it to radio stations, and Premiere Radio Networks, (a subsidiary of Clear Channel), which provides satellite facilities and handles advertising sales.
I went to the Talk Radio Network and found no evidence of Dr. Laura. I think someone may have confused Laura (Schlessinger) with Laura Ingraham (who does have a show at Talk Radio Network)
(She does seem to be affiliated with Take On The Day and Premiere Radio Networks) 72.43.206.226 ( talk) 17:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Not done: Welcome. There are plenty of hits for "Talk Radio Network" and "Dr. Laura". I see you point about talkradionetwork.com, but try
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On August 10, 2010, on a call with an African-American woman who was seeking advice concerning her own interracial marriage, Schlessinger used the word "cracker" eleven times, saying that mention of the term did not constitute racism. She told the caller that she had the right to say the word because black comedians and actors on HBO say it, and cited a previous race-related comment made by her that was "funny" (and was made to her bodyguard, a black man). She also claimed that black people voted for Barack Obama for President on the basis of skin color, as an example of blacks as well as whites making judgments based solely on skin color.[15] She apologized for doing the "wrong thing" a day later.[16] She understood the importance of apologizing before the media got wild and asked her to apologize, and did so praising herself for her quick response to her mistake. Some may argue this incident may have led to her decision to not sign a new contract with her current talk show syndicate.
On August 17, 2010 Schlessinger announced the end of her radio show during an appearance on Larry King Live, saying that her motivation was to "regain her first amendment rights."[17] During King’s interview with Schlessinger, Shlessinger also added that she wanted to live her life without threats and was tired of all the hate she received for exercising her amendment rights. She said she has decided to move her work to the Internet and not return to talk radio.
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Not done: Please detail your request in a 'please change X to Y' manner. Copying the entire section makes it difficult to understand the change you want to make. Thanks,
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Racist aren't racist and homophobes are just charming because to say otherwise might be pejorative.-- DCX ( talk) 06:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
With the subjective definition of what is and isn't considered 'verifiable' actual racist have to go out and have to be caught lynching someone on a cell phone camera several times before they can be considered racists . And of course because News sources can be considered as 'reliable you need have several videographers who of course don't run a blog or have actually said anything else in public that might be considered 'POV"
DRCarroll 04:28 August 2010 —Preceding undated comment added 09:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC).
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The cited doctoral thesis is NOT her work. It is in fact the work of a serious group of Japanese researchers.
Glucose tolerance factor stimulates 3-0-methylglucose transport into isolated rat adipocytes
Masakuni Tokudaa, Atsunori Kashiwagic, Eiji Wakamiyab, Tatsuya Ogunib, Makoto Minob and Hiroyuki Kagamiyamaa
a Department of Medical Chemistry, Osaka Medical College, 2-7 Daigakumachi, Takatsuki, Osaka 569, Japan
b Department of Pediatrics, Osaka Medical College, 2-7 Daigakumachi, Takatsuki, Osaka 569, Japan
c Third Department of Medicine, Shiga University of Medical Science, Seta, Ohtsu, Shiga 520-21, Japan Received 30 March 1987. Available online 08 December 2004.
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The sentence under racial comments that reads "She also said, "It's never okay to use that word." [34]" should in fairness bechanged to read She also said, "It's never okay to use that word, although she herself used the word five times during the call." [34][transcript of call]
Dureagle ( talk) 22:44, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
This is trivia and ought to be removed as such. I'm sure magazines have also asked her what her favourite colour is, and who she like in friends. None of this makes the information encyclopedic. We are not a human interest magazine.
I'm not going to edit war with User:Freakshownerd over this. So, a third opinion please?-- Scott Mac 14:33, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Does anybody have a copy of this article? It will be important to see it, as the citation has been used to make controversial allegations that are apparently false.... e.g. the date of the the Lewis wedding and announcing that LS was pregnant at the wedding. Unless we ourselves can verify the material, I think we should be very cautious about trusting the material sourced to this. -- Slp1 ( talk) 22:07, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Recently, this phrase was added, then removed by another editor. Her parents married in Italy "due to her mother's pregnancy." with the reason given that this explained her parent's troubled marriage. [3] Because some editors here are apparently persistent in adding and re-adding certain material, I am discussing this now, because of the likelihood that this material will be re-added.
In my view whether LS was conceived out of "wedlock" some 60 years ago is irrelevant to her bio. The editor who added this information said it explained her parents' unhappiness - but that reasoning is OR and SYN -- look at the sources and you will see. It is also contrary to what LS herself wrote:
I actually liked hearing that I was a "love child," because it meant there was at least one time they had been happy with each other."
I hope this information says out, permanently.
KeptSouth ( talk) 14:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
<--Redent. Right you are, a columnist in Rupurt Murdoch's sensationalistic Times of London did use the term "shotgun".
Our purpose in writing and editing these bios, however is not "to suggest" things, or to "seem to connect the ideas" (look a few line up - I am quoting you). Rather, according to BLP policy, "conjectural interpretations" of a source are to be avoided, please also see WP:No original research which prohibits "any analysis or synthesis by Wikipedians of published material, where the analysis or synthesis advances a position not advanced by the sources." --Regards KeptSouth ( talk) 20:20, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
why is this article under "racism"? I see no reason why it should be in it anymore than jesse jackson or spike lee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.255.120.245 ( talk) 23:11, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
I am moving information about LS's marriage and family life from the Radio career section, to a new section. It has been mixed in -- often out of chronological sequence, and often in a confusing way -- with information about her radio career and shows. The nude photos was a huge controversy at the time, and should not be lumped in with her early radio career, so I am moving it to the controversies section. KeptSouth ( talk) 08:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Fixed factual errors, and added Dr Luara's low view of Hansen's choice to marry a white man = one of the main reasons Hansen did not accept the apology. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous ( talk) 04:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not put extra emphasis on ethnicity, so I will remove her ethnicity from the infobox.-- And Rew 03:25, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
There's a typo in one of the last paragraphs of the section "Television show". It says "had used show staff to falsely pose as a guests on the show." when it should have deleted the -s of "guests" (ie "had used show staff to falsely pose as a guest on the show."). I would have corrected it myself, but this article is locked. 86.152.225.110 ( talk) 19:52, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Firstly, the infobox says religion. She is no longer a practicing Jew. Secondly, according to Jewish law, your mother must be Jewish for one to claim it as her heritage and/or ethnicity. LS' mother was Italian. If Laura was the least bit Jewish, she would have followed Jewish Law and respected her mother. Mom would not have died alone and lay decomposing for 2 months. I would personally be quite embarrassed if she claimed ANY aspect of Judaism. DocOfSoc ( talk) 04:40, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Your emotional statements above show POV and they are not completely correct. In reform and non-Orthodox Judaism, one may consider themselves Jewish even if they aren't born of a Jewish mother. And it's not in the Law, it's in the Mishnah. Schlessinger became an Orthodox Jew but she was already Jewish by heritage. As far as her mother dying, that has nothing to do with anything in regard to whether or not Schlessinger was Jewish at the time or if she is now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NeoNeuroGeek ( talk • contribs) 04:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
We don't judge whether people are Jewsih by anyone' particular definition of that. If the sources say she considers herself Jewish, then that's what we call her. Period. There are plenty "Christians" who have behaved in ways, or even expoused beliefs, which other Christians would say makes then an unbeliver or apostate, but I doubt I'd have much success in getting the "Christian" description removed from the popes who'd had 10 mistresses. Wikipedia generally used the definition of "self-description" not the rules of the Mishnah, or of Orthodoxy to decide what to call people.-- Scott Mac 08:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
"I still see myself as a Jew" - that's good enough for me. She doesn't say "ethnic Jew" or whatever else you may wish to dismiss this as. She sees herself as a Jew - you may not, but we go with her. As I said "who is Jewish" "who is Christian" is ultimately a definition that will vary by group and POV. There's plenty people describing themselves as Christian, and thus described as such by wikipeia, whom I suspect are sons of Satan, but that's my problem. I can't see how her envying of Christians makes a difference.-- Scott Mac 08:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, Great Scott! She is a Jew! Her ethnicity! If the info box said ethnicity, we would be not having this discussion. What it does say is religion, and Jewish is a religion she clearly does not practice and has decried vociferously. How come the differentiation seems unclear? Ethnicity: Jewish, Religion: none. Breathlessly awaiting your hallowed response ;-) DocOfSoc ( talk) 09:09, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Jewish dictionary: Ju·da·ism (jd-zm) n. 1. The monotheistic religion of the Jews, tracing its origins to Abraham and having its spiritual and ethical principles IF, after Religion, we could put Judaism, there would be no discussion. She has rejected Judaism as a religion. "Jewishness is our heritage, " Judaism" is our religion.(quoteth my Favorite Jew) Namaste... DocOfSoc ( talk) 10:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Clarification. I made no negative comments about Judaism or Jews. The practice of Judaism and it's tenets is an integral part of my ministry. I cherish my Jewish community even tho' I am not officially a member. Christianity is totally based on Judaism and compliment each other in so many ways. God said: love me as you love yourself. Amen DocOfSoc ( talk) 21:00, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Her claim to be a "licensed psychotherapist", and her use of the "Dr. Laura" name while giving advice have engendered controversy. Critics contend that these titles lead her listeners to assume that she holds a doctorate in psychology, or that she is a psychiatrist, and that state law in California limits the use of the "psychotherapist" term to those holding a psychotherapist license. [1] [2] However, she does hold a California license as a family and marriage counselor which she obtained after completing classes and training from the University of Southern California (USC), [3] [4] and her Ph.D in physiology qualifies her for the title of Doctor. In regard to her 2000-2001 television show, she stated in an appearance on CNN's Larry King Live that she had requested that it be called "Schlessinger," in the tradition of Phil Donahue's successful talk show that was titled with his last name. Producers refused this request and television show was given the title Dr. Laura. Schlessinger has characterized her radio show as a "moral health program" rather than an "advice program" which has allowed her to avoid continued criticism for giving psychological advice. [2] Although critics have called her approach to callers shrewish and scolding, others see it as frank and blunt. Schlessinger has also been compared to the highly popular Judge Judy. [5]
In 1998, admittedly upset that he was snubbed by Schlessinger at an event, former radio mentor Bill Ballance sold nude photos of Schlessinger [6] to media outlet Internet Entertainment Group (IEG). [7] Schlessinger had posed for the photos while involved in a sexual relationship with Ballance in the 1970s. IEG, known for distributing a sex tape of Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee, purchased the photos and subsequently posted them on its website which were later leaked to the general public. Schlessinger initially denied that the photos were of her, but then claimed a copyright interest in them in court. Attempts to have the photos removed from various websites failed after a court ruling stated that IEG had legally acquired the rights to the material. She later admitted that the photos were authentic, addressed the issue on her show calling Ballance a "mentor and friend", and said she was "mystified as to why this 80-year-old man would do such a morally reprehensible thing." She claimed to have possessed "no moral authority" when the photos were taken, citing her age at the time of twenty-eight and a painful divorce as factors contributing to her voluntarily being photographed nude. She added that she had undergone "profound changes over the course of my life, from atheist to observant Jew." The incident brought to light accusations that Schlessinger had been unfaithful in her first marriage, caused the breakdown of her second husband's marriage, cohabitated with him while unmarried, and intentionally conceived a child with him out of wedlock. Schlessinger had railed against infidelity, cohabitation, and intentional single-parenthood on her show, but never addressed that these were part of her personal life experience. Schlessinger responded to these criticisms saying:
“ | A hypocrite is someone who says 'Do as I say, not as I do.' A teacher is someone who says, 'Do as I say, not as I did.' [8] | ” |
In 1998, Schlessinger was in a Costa Mesa surf shop, with her son, when she began perusing Big Brother, a skateboarding magazine. Schlessinger deemed the magazine to be "stealth pornography," and said so on her radio show. When the owner of the store publicly denied that she found pornography in his store, Schlessinger sued him for lying, claiming that his denial had hurt her reputation. [9] dead link When the case went to court, the judge dismissed her suit as frivolous but the shop owner's $4 million defamation countersuit lodged for hurting the reputation of his store, was allowed to stand. [10] [11] The suit has since been settled, but the terms of the settlement have not been revealed. [12] Off the record, lawyers and friends claimed victory, indicating the settlement was "about the amount of a moderately-priced Orange County home" (at the time, $650,000 to $2 million).
Prior to 1997, Schlessinger was very supportive of gay callers to her show. During that time, she took issue with Christian religious leaders who opposed gay relationships, and said that it was cruel to deny love and happiness to same-sex couples. She renounced this view in 1997. Soon, her monologues approvingly mentioned ex-gay groups that claimed they could help gay and lesbian people through conversion therapy, and she attacked the American Psychological Association for condemning their stance that conversion therapy was harmful to patients and damaging to society. Schlessinger also began citing psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover in support of her new views. [13]
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Where are all the controversies? This woman is known more for her troubles --regardless of if you're a big fan of hers or not. Stop whitewashing! --
204.169.162.3 (
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When there are three separate headings for publications, charitable work and awards with one of them having subheadings, isn't it giving too much legitimacy to the person's positive qualities? I think there should be a controversy section too. Kc27 ( talk) 00:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
I have reviewed the page and noticed that NONE of these controversies are mentioned in the article anymore. Doing a search for the word libel revealed zero hits, photos revealed one hit that didn't truly elaborate on that controversy, and there's nothing about physiology in there. I have added all of these portions back into the main part of the article. If anyone has an issue with the manner in which they are or are not incorporated into the article the onus is on YOU to incorporate them, not simply remove them. "Controversy" sections are pretty normal in bio pages.
alexif ( talk) 05:36, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
No, I don't. You and others are removing materials that you don't like and are coming up with nonsensical excuses. First it was that it was incorporated into the article (it wasn't) and now it's that it wasn't sourced (it was). You're simply making up reasons because you have an agenda. I don't. The amount of information on here is tolerable, so I won't get into some inane back and forth on wikipedia about this with you. Tell Dr. Laura I said "hi" as you very clearly work for her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.22.63.1 ( talk) 10:15, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I reincorporated a deleted section on her son. He was an adult during the entirety of the controversy, it affected her work, and simliar to the other people detailed in the "personal" section of her page, it is a particularly illuminating example of how her personal and professional life differ. I will periodically monitor this page to ensure it is not removed without justification. 130.22.63.1 ( talk) 08:48, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Schlessinger has been getting a lot of press lately as a result of this: [10]. As a result, this article is likely to get increased traffic in the next few days, so it might benefit from having a few more watchers. Stonemason89 ( talk) 21:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
I think any sentence that includes a phrase like "further motivation may have been" doesn't belong into a Wikipedia article. It's cool to point out that a number of her sponsors have canceled, but not to suggest that Schlessinger's decision was predicated on that. That's a conclusion readers may draw from the combined facts. Hmoulding ( talk) 14:41, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Absolutely. In fact, this should probably be locked down - there's currently some vandal constantly putting up a picture of genital warts as the photo on this article. 76.25.129.96 ( talk) 01:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
He's blocked. As for coverage, that depends on the media. If enough of the media makes a big deal out of it, then it should go in the article. From what I see, she wasn't caught in any sort of Mel Gibson rant, so the folks who want to get their shorts in a bunch will, and the rest of us will just shrug and move on. Rklawton ( talk) 01:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
The majority of the MSM news websites(msnbc.com cbsnews.com abcnews.com) along with a string of blogs are covering this story. It's inclusion in the article is imminent. I won't be adding it, because I can't stand this woman, and can't be NPOV enough to edit the article. See ya. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.31.106.35 ( talk) 02:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
The website Media Matters has noted that Schlessinger's website has excised the recording of the call in which she says the n word eleven times. They have also posted a complete transcript of the call and a recording of the call. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucie Sofia ( talk • contribs) 16:07, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
I also think a much more serious issue is the use of the n-word out of context in the opening paragraphs, despite it being offensive and without including a fuller explanation of what the discussion was about ie. whether the word was always offensive and that it is often used by rappers and comedians. I think we should use better discretion and provide a better explanation that gives a fuller understanding of what occured. Freakshownerd ( talk) 21:47, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Dr. Laura did not use the word, Nigger, as a "racial epithet". Readers of Wikipedia ought not have to weed through speech codes in order to get to the truth of the matter.-- Bureaucracy ( talk) 18:39, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
We keep having material added stating Schlessinger was parodied on the WestWing. Now, I've seen the show and it may well be a parody, but AFAICT we don't have a reliable source saying that the WW was directly parodying here. Snopes isn't reliable - and pointing to the episode or its transcript invites OR. The show never claimed it was Schlessinger.-- Scott Mac 22:48, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
That is a word that should be used as sparingly as possible, but Wikipedia is not censored, and nothing should ever be bowlderized in an article. The article states that she used the word 11 times. It then quotes her uses of it, but says, "n,n,n" and "n-word". That's obviously not what she said. These euphemisms need to be removed. Instead of a direct quote that would require us to print that word 11 times, how about using a summary of what she said, sans the euphemisms? Joefromrandb ( talk) 09:07, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
article coz it has no controversy reg homosexuality and stuff, u hide the truth that this worthless clown hoe ass slut said, see in german article and read quotes this worthless parasite slut said there — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.26.184.200 ( talk) 18:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
I will be more polite than the last comment. One day a caller questioned routine infant circumcision and Dr. Laura flew into a rant, claiming that all opposition to circumcision was just a cover for antisemitism and an attempt to exterminate Jews. She is unfit to give advice to anyone. Radio Sharon ( talk) 14:50, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Article could perhaps shed some more light on the "Letter to Dr. Laura" viral email (after all, the letter was real, and it goes quite far in explaining some widespread opposition to her beliefs). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.14.91 ( talk) 17:26, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
There have been multiple edits, since reverted, claiming that this person, Laura Schlessinger's husband, has died. This must not be allowed, unless reliable sourcing is provided. Hearing her say her husband died is not a reliable source. Reliable sourcing is necessary for any article, but especially for an article about a living person. SMP0328. ( talk) 20:29, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
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