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Latinos are Latin because they are speakers of Romance languages, which is the criteria. Also by their very identity as Latin Americans. As in: What kind of Americans are Latinos? They are Latin Americans. EDGARR ( talk) 03:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Latinos speak Spanish, this is the official language of their respective countries. The second most popular language in the U.S. is Spanish. When Latinos and Non-Latinos alike learn a second language here, Spanish and French are probably the most learned in U.S. Public and private learning institutions. There is no language as American Spanish. EDGARR ( talk) 07:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
OK SAM, what now? More blackout of facts, so as to discriminate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by EDGARR ( talk • contribs) 23:36, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Tell the world SAM why you want to remove these facts. EDGARR ( talk) 00:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
EVERY ROMANCE LANGUAGE SPEAKERS ARE CALLED "LATINE". IT INCLUDES SPANISH, FRENCH, ITALIAN, PORTUGUESE AND ROMANIAN PEOPLE. LATINO IS THE WORD TO "LATINE PERSON" IN SPANISH, SO IT IS HOW SPANISH PEOPLE IDENTIFY THEMSELVES IN U.S.A..
SPANIC IS EVERY PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPANISH LANGUAGE AS THEIR MOTHER TONGUE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.149.59.98 ( talk) 18:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
HISPANIC = SPEAKS SPANISH. OF CAUCASIAN SPANIERD ANCESTORS.
LATIN OR "LATINO" = SPEAKS ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: SPANISH, PORTUGUESE, FRENCH, ITALIAN, ROMANIAN, CATALAN, ETC.
LATIN AMERICAN = SPEAKS SPANISH OR PORTUGUESE
GOT IT???
DIZC
I was asked by User:EDGARR to take a look at the current discussion. Mind you that I have never inter-acted with Edgar before and that I have decided to take a look despite the fact that I haven't been feeling well lately and that I have never read the article until now.
I fail to see where Edgarr's edits to the article have created such a big fuzz. They have added to the understanding of article's subject and have not harmed it in anyway. I believe that well intended edits within the established policies of Wikipedia are acceptable.
Now Sam and Edgar, let me make myself clear that I am not taking sides on the issue, I am only expressing my opinion on the subject. I do agree with the protection placed by User:Caribbean H.Q. as a cooling-off period and that a consensus be set up. When we have a topic where various parties disagree, policy permits those involved to seek a mediator who can organize a consensus where the majority decide what is acceptable in an article. I myself will not mediate because of my health problems, but I can recommend User:Mindspillage, who is a fair person, in the event that any of you decide to continue with this issue.
I think that you are both good editors and that this shouldn't be such a big deal. Tony the Marine ( talk) 04:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
HISPANIC = SPEAKS SPANISH. OF CAUCASIAN SPANIERD ANCESTORS.
LATIN OR "LATINO" = SPEAKS ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: SPANISH, PORTUGUESE, FRENCH, ITALIAN, ROMANIAN, CATALAN, ETC.
LATIN AMERICAN = SPEAKS SPANISH OR PORTUGUESE
got it??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dizc net ( talk • contribs) 23:36, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
I have to interject and must mention that there are very real cases of Persians and Arabs having to turn up as Latin, since they ascribe to and speak the language of either Portuguese or Spanish fluently and hail from a Latin nation. I feel that this is an unfortunate lack of mention, even though how minute the minority, deserves mention. Please include as follows "Latino may incompass one or a mixture of any possible race, which includes Caucasian, African, Native American, Pacific Islander, Asian-Indian, Arab, or Persian decent." As this would be a much more fair and balanced entry. As a point, Shakira's family originally hail from Lebonan, an obvious Arab dominant nation - before immigrating to Columbia (correct me if I had the wrong country). Thank you for reading this entry. I hope we can come to a consensus and make the necessary changes. Psypho ( talk) 17:38, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
How Should Hispanics or Latinos Answer the Race Question? People of Hispanic origin may be of any race and should answer the question on race by marking one or more race categories shown on the questionnaire, including White, Black or African American, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander, and Some Other Race. Hispanics are asked to indicate their origin in the question on Hispanic origin, not in the question on race, because in the federal statistical system ethnic origin is considered to be a separate concept from race.
Also in the United States there probably is a higher percentage of Latinos with African or African American blood, because of marriages or mixing with African-Americans, —Preceding unsigned comment added by EDGARR ( talk • contribs) 01:17, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Aside from the fact you're replacing more reliable sources with less reliable ones, the sources being cited don't even appear to support the claims being made -- the dictionary definition being cited is not for the word "Latino," for example. Please explain yourself, and make note of Wikipedia's policies regarding verifiability and original research. – Luna Santin ( talk) 20:20, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
French, spanish, portuguese, Italian or rumananian aren't Latinos. All they speak a romance language (derived fron latin languaje), but they aren't what americans consider Latino. Latinos are latin-Americans. In Europe (I'm European) the word latino doesn't exist, we call people from southAmerica southamericans, and people from central America centralAmerican.
THE term we Latin Americans use to identify ourselves is LATIN, Latino is an artificially US-manufactured word that has many misleading overtones. Many people in the US seem to have problems accepting there are other "Americans" (latin or otherwise) outside the US and therefore make up silly terms such as latino. Also Kman543210 you say that in Europe you guys call people from South America South Americans and people from Central America Central Americans, but what about Mexicans???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.102.254.253 ( talk) 14:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
actually your all wrong THE ONLY REASON SOUTH AMERICAN SPEAKS SPANISH IS CAUSE THEY OVER TOOK IT IN SLAVE ERA THATS WHY BRAZIL SPEAKS PORTUGUESE if your of spanish descent of spanish your hispanic end of stop been thick and look it up half of south amercian are european descent you said " we call people from southAmerica southamericans, and people from central America centralAmerican" if thats true then why used latino/latina all together then why have this article made we might aswell delete it if south american didn't naturally speak spanish spanish people took it like portugal took brazil spanish is what we called spanish people but its also there navie lanauge if tyour spanish or of spanish descent your "Hispanic" without question latino is not the best type and it is a word to use for people of a romance language derived fron latin language which is spoken in countries anymore so it can be italian french portguese spanish really but it isn't the way it is used or ever was. Hispanic or Latino (both terms mean the same thing) are people from or descendants of latin amercia or spain (AKA spanish speaking countries) Veggiegirl ( talk) 11:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
The word latino exists in Europe check out the link [ [3]]. In fact it came to the Americas from Europe from people who considered themselves "Latinos" (Meaning Latins). In the United States, it has become popular to say that latino is short for latin American, (Since most of the visibly spanish speaking peoples are from Latin America.) however the original and authentic translation is "Latin" Anyone who watches Spanish news which originates here in the U.S. will hear the newscasters many times over identify themselves and the viewers as Latin. European Latin(o)s have assimilated more with the Anglo culture in the U.S. and are not usually seen as Latinos. (Speakers of Romance languages) EDGARR ( talk) 13:24, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
We won't get anywhere otherwise. You're choosing to ignore my invitation to discuss, so I'm going to revert you again. If you put back your edit rather than talk, I'm seeking admin help. SamEV ( talk) 14:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
You chose to take down my factual contributions without talking first. Why did you remove I contributions. Your complete opposal and direspect not only to my contribution, but to those of others is against wikipedia's rules. The history of the talk page and the article is indeed evidence of your censuring anyone who does not further the point of view you are trying to push, even if is truthful and factual. There was no freedom of speech while you were a contributer to the Latino article as you reverted everyones contributions without regard to the truth. EDGARR ( talk) 14:46, 19
October 2008 (UTC)Please discuss issues in the talk page before removing items that others have worked hard to research and edit. Do not disrespect others work! EDGARR ( talk) 15:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Similar and related terms
In many instances "Latino" is used interchangeably with the terms "Latin" and "Latin American",[18] as Latino is also defined in the English language as a "Latin inhabitant of the United States".[19] As a demonym, though, "Latin" can have other meanings:[20][21]
- "a native or inhabitant of Latium; an ancient Roman."
- "a member of any of the Latin peoples, or those speaking chiefly Romance languages, esp. a native of or émigré from Latin America."
- "a member of the Latin Church; a Roman Catholic, as distinguished from a member of the Greek Church."
- "A Latino or Latina."
"Latin American" may also not mean the same as "Latino," depending on which definition of the latter is used. A Spaniard, for example, though a "Latino" by some definitions, is not a Latin American. The term "Latin American", in turn, is normally applied to inhabitants of Latin America; nevertheless, some individuals and organizations in the United States do prefer to identify as "Latin American", while others prefer "Latin". "Latin American" is defined as:
- "A native or inhabitant of Latin America."[25]
- "A person of Latin-American descent."[25]
because of lack of proof that there's notable use of "Latino cuisine", "Latino music" and "Latino Grammy Awards", and that if there is, we would need proof that they are used in the same sense that "Latin Cuisine", "Latin music", and "Latin Grammy Awards" are used, respectively. It seems original research for us to assume they're being used to mean the same thing. What do you think, Edgar?
hence Latin Cuisine","Latin music", and "Latin Grammy Awards among others. 1. first on Latin Cuisine - the links provided, if read used the terms synonymously consistently. 2. Who plays Latin music, who listens to latin music. Salsa is considered one form of latin music. Eddie Palmieri, Tito Puente, Ray Barreto. It is obvious what is referred to, and the links are abundently available. 3. Again with the Latin Grammy Awards, I had provided links which were removed with the mayor of New York speaking on the Latin Grammy's and referring to the participants as Latino and Latin interchangeably. The participants are Latin(os) mostly from the the United States, Latin Americas, Spain, and even Italy participated. the dictionaries define latino as : A person of Hispanic, especially Latin-American, descent, often one living in the United States. and also either meaning "Latin", or possibly a clipped form of latinoamericano, "Latin American".....I don't understand what the confusion is. The definition itself indicates one of the ways Latino is used is as 'Latin'. There are abundant instances of this in the real world. These are just 3. I believe the paragraph needs to be reinserted as examples of how Latino and Latin are used interchangeably.—Preceding unsigned comment added by EDGARR ( talk • contribs) 03:49, 23 October, 2008 (UTC)
You misunderstand, I'm not saying its also called the Latino-Grammy award. Its called the Latin Grammys because people Latin people participate in it, because it is of Latin culture and entertainment. The participants are Latinos. Latinos both from the Americas and Europe understand that Latino is synonymous with Latin, (the dictionary states this as one meaning, but little attention is given to this meaning by the anglo community), this is why the sponsors named it Latin Grammys. The same with Latin music. Latins play latin music, (or as you would say Latinos play latin music). They named the music Latin Music because latinos originated it. (However some sites as aol call it latino music, though). Latin Music musicians play the music, they self identify as Latin music players, so they call the music Latin Music. You seem to want them to self identify themselves as Latino Music players. You can't say they can't claim the music they play as theirs, unless, they call it Latino Music and call themselves Latino music players. Italian food is Italian because Italians cook it via their recipe's. Can you say, no way Giada, its not Italian because you have to find where it says Italo or italiano food? Or no way, because it was cooked in New York and not Rome? If you wish to call the people at the Latin-Grammies Latino instead of Latin, so be it, however you can't force these Latin(o) people to call their show what you want them to call it. My point (again) is that the participants (those you call Latino use the term Latino and Latin interchangeably.) It is their (these Latinos)show, they call it the Latin Grammies. As for the cusine- O.K. now we already know that latinos identify as Latin American and also as Latin. it's almost as if you wish U.S. Latin(o)s have the obligation to invent a whole new different culture just because they are here in the U.S., invent new foods so we may claim some ownership and history to it. We brought our history and culture, our 'Latin Cusine' with us (like the italians) We don't have to prove it originated in the U.S. for it to be Latino or Latin, we don't have to call it Latin and also call it Latino in the same sentence all the time, (just understand that these terms are used interchangeably.) We do not have to keep reiventing the wheel so to speak. Don't misunderstand, I am not trying to argue at all. I'am trying to get you to understand how the terms are used here in the U.S. esp. the east coast, and his is how is it is widely understood by Latin Europeans and Latin Americans. I will repost with refs. soon. Let me know either here or on my talk page what you think so we can cooperate.... EDGARR ( talk) 05:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
First of all let me state that I'am not trying to add disputed content. You are attempting to remove content that has been in the article for over a year, and to which you had no objection earlier. Being objective, the weight of the evidence is that the Latin/Latinos who every year present themselves with these grammies are self identifying as latin. The same applies with the Latin Musicians. It's common sense Sam. Look up the meaning of latin and you will find that it applies to Latinos, More than one dictionary also defines Latinos as Latin. Be that as it may I will add links to the comments which convey this. The burden of proof would rest with you to prove that this somehow is not what is meant. Please add sources & references. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by EDGARR ( talk • contribs) 01:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
HISPANIC = SPEAKS SPANISH. OF CAUCASIAN SPANIERD ANCESTORS.
LATIN OR "LATINO" = SPEAKS ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: SPANISH, PORTUGUESE, FRENCH, ITALIAN, ROMANIAN, CATALAN, ETC.
LATIN AMERICAN = SPEAKS SPANISH OR PORTUGUESE
"LATINO" AS USED IN THE USA, REFERING TO SPANISH SPEAKERS ONLY, IS WRONG. Italians are as "Latinos" as Mexicans and they´re not called that in USA
GOT IT??? DIZC —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dizc net ( talk • contribs) 23:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
If you want to make changes to the words I chose from Latino to Hispanic, first you have to define clearly and precisely what you are defining those terms. I see that there is an unbalanced quote where it tries to seperate the terms Hispanic and Latino so as to say they are not the same, but the second part of the quote is omitted as it states that the different Latin American people have differences over to which one they identify with. Also Latin music is Latin because the folks who created the music self identify as Latin. YOU are choosing to call them Latinos. Latin Americans self identify as Latins and they named their music is known as Latin music. the Latin grammies was created by a Mexican American (Your may choose to call him Latino). Anyhow here's a link to a pairing of the terms as used by Latinos/Latins for the Grammy and music [ [8]] , see where it say Latino music and Latin interchangeabley. However be aware that the most used term by far is Latin Music. Also see [ [9]] And also see a magazine which was very popular and whose name reflects to the people you call Latino [ [10]]. If you go through these you will see the that the 'Latinos' you speak of self identify as Latin, Hispanic and Latin American and use these interchangeably or in a synonymous manner. Latin music, Latin Jazz these are terms the people you call 'Latinos' use to identify their music. They do do use Latino Jazz or Latino music. The following is an excerpt from the editors of Latin N.Y. Magazine as an example: "The Vision of LNY Magazine in 1967 was to have a Latin Magazine written in English for the Latin American community of New York City. The plan was to assemble a group of unpaid freelance writers, entertainers, community activist, family friends and those who had a strong conviction and involvement in the community to help launch a magazine geared for the Latin community of New York City. It was a monumental task, a total commitment of volunteers who had a strong belief in the success of the magazine. Unfortunately due to lack of finances and corporate advertising the magazine was an overwhelming success for our readers for the short time that it was in existence. LATIN NY pioneered the way Latin Magazines are written today". -end- If you can't understand this SAM you are not Latino and really do not understand much about the people you refer to as Latino. Also see [ [11]]and [ [12]] I would like to believe that you are working in good faith, and not trying to help genocide a culture. EDGARR ( talk) 00:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
please people, we are trying to improve this article, no Latin American hate propaganda or agenda's please. This is most unhelpful and Wikipedia frowns against such things. EDGARR ( talk) 23:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Spanish speakers and persons belonging to a household where Spanish was spoken Persons with Spanish heritage by birth location Persons who self-identify with Spanish ancestry or descent —Preceding unsigned comment added by EDGARR ( talk • contribs) 13:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
It goes both ways sam, now however what do you mean until we've settled it all.? So far that is all I have until I do more research, gather sources and write material.
I challenge you to find where I agreed to ONE BIG EDIT. That is ridiculous, like I said this is the edit I have worked at this time. What are we supposed to do wait months until we work out all the details before this bias filled article is corrected. Fine but meanwhile I have to dispute its neutrality. I will now edit in the OMB's paragraph on the link you provided. However the OMB'S paragraph far removed from its relevant paragraph and body of the article sort of 'misplaces' it. EDGARR ( talk) 01:01, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
One edit at a time is good, but waiting for all edits to be done would be a waste of time while the article sits in it's current condition EDGARR ( talk) 01:24, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Similar and related terms
In some instances "Latino", which is also defined in the English language as a "Latin inhabitant of the United States",[17] is used interchangeably with the terms "Latin" and "Latin American".[ref (latinopm.com)][18] As a demonym, though, "Latin" can have other meanings:[20][21]
- "a native or inhabitant of Latium; an ancient Roman."
- "a member of any of the Latin peoples, or those speaking chiefly Romance languages, esp. a native of or émigré from Latin America."
- "a member of the Latin Church; a Roman Catholic, as distinguished from a member of the Greek Church."
- "A Latino or Latina."
"Latin American" may also not mean the same as "Latino," depending on which definition of the latter is used. A Spaniard, for example, though a "Latino" by some definitions, is not a Latin American. The term "Latin American", in turn, though it is most often applied to inhabitants of Latin America, is also preferred by some Latino individuals and organizations in the United States.[21][22][23] Some Americans of Latino origin also identify themselves as "Latin".[ref] "Latin American" is defined as:
- "A native or inhabitant of Latin America."[25]
- "A person of Latin-American descent."[25]
hispanic/latino has the same meaning spanish are hispanic the only reason there is a thing called latin america is because of the spanish empire most of the popular hispanics are native americans (south) or mixed look up history spanish is where the latin/hispanic comes from wouldn't be latin america other wise please explain why spanish can't be added as the spanish lauage comes from spain and what makes latin americans countries latin then latin the launage was first done in italy and if spanish isn't condsider hispanic then name a reason why the term latin hisapanic is used there what other meanings does it have. This article is about latino/hispanics altogether not americans citzens there is another site about latin/hispanic american people so it needs to be changed this is site is kinda written the same way WHY HAVE TO ARTICLES WRITTEN THE SAME?, on the side it has mexican americans but what about mexicans not americans cut the amercian parts out just have a list of south americans coutries/ spain etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.207.236 ( talk) 08:44, 16 December 2008
okay lets put an end to this hispanic and latino/latina thing they mean the same nowadays its has the same meaning but they don't have a article here that has it hispanicis about hispanic histroy not what it acutally means nowadays as an ethnic term so unless you make a new article (which will be the same as this one) then why not add "an hispanic person" to the top of the page where all the other popular terms/meaning of latinos is i added it so what do you think its not changing the title of the article but also showing latin can mean latino/latina or hispanic —Preceding unsigned comment added by Veggiegirl ( talk • contribs) 09:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I removed the “controversy” section for a variety of reasons. It appears to violate wikipedia’s policy on “unwarranted promotion of fringe theories,” and "original research," as the sources cited were garbage and it fails to mention who those are that are protesting the term “latino.” And the idea of the term Latino being racist is itself absurd, as it is what Latinos call themselves (Hispanic is the term that was devised by the US government). I looked up that Olin Tezcatlipoca, who wrote the sources, – he is not an academic or any kind of legit authority, he is just some nutty racist protestor from a hate group. And that other source is just some amateur hobbyist site (riddled with spelling errors), whose author likewise has no apparent credentials whatsoever. If this section is to be included it needs some proper-academic, reliable resources, because it was only supported by shoddy original research and was also an obvious NPOV/notibility violation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hb353 ( talk • contribs) 16:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
The resources were apparently amateur. One was riddled with spelling errors and provided no information about the author. The others led to some racist hate group called Mexica Movement. None of those resources are reliable by wikipedia standards. If there really is a controversy surrounding the use of term "Latino," and it is not just fringe theory held by a few, then where are the newspaper articles and scholarly papers about it? Include some reliable supporting resources if you want to include that section Hb353 ( talk) 21:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)hb353
Edgar, cite better sources. I'm not opposed to having a similar section, and as you can see, neither is Hb353. Just find better sources, please. SamEV ( talk) 21:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
The authors of the indigineous websites are authors, educators who are referenced by education institutions and Native American organizations themselves. They have been presented with numerous awards by peers and others. It unequivocally qualifies as a source for wikipedia, any omission or erasure of information provided by them that was already in the article is considered vandalism by wikipedia rules. Furthermore the change was not first introduced at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Latinos/Latinosandbox and this violated the edit rules for this article as agreed to by you,Sam. Also the editor is not allowed to edit this article because he is not an establised editor of the this Latino article. Even his oldest article in Wikipedia itself goes no further back than Jan. This raises serious questions. The editor is violating wikipedia rules, rules established for editing of this article, and you Sam are not questioning these violations? EDGARR ( talk) 02:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
03:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
1- thanks for not deleting outright my last contribution,(instead you edited just a bit to make it flow a bit smoother.) 2- A question. Do you know who actually started this article? EDGARR ( talk) 16:50, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
They are technically latin american. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.165.38 ( talk) 02:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I have edited the intro of the wiki to reflect this. The previous version had it as "people of partial or full Latin American extraction. The problem with that is it would be an ethnoym in this case, which it clearly is not. As people of all races can be Latinos, so too can people of all ethnicities. If Latino were an ethnonym pertaining to people of Latin American extraction (extraction means ethnic origin; indigenous roots), only people of the "Native American race" from ethnicities in Latin America would be Latinos, which obviously isn't the case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.39.57 ( talk) 20:29, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
I am terrified with the content of this article. It will be very important to know the meaning of the term Latin in the world, to be able to understand its meaning in regard to Latin America, and its use in the USA. Latin is a very old concept used around the world. As a language and as a culture, it identifies those countries in Europe that were under the domain of the Roman Empire, and speak a Roman Language. These countries being Italy-Italian, France-French, Spain-Spanish, Portugal-Portuguese. The Latin American concept refers to the countries in America whose 1st language is Spanish, French or Portuguese. Latino refers to the male that speaks, while Latina refers to the female.
Latino does not mean the same as Hispanic. Hipanic refers to a language spoken in many contries, it does not refers to a culture. Example: People who come from Brazil are Latinos but they do not speak Spanish.
I guess that if Mexicans, Peruvians or Colombians are Latinos, Sitting Bull or the Australian Aborigines must be called Anglo-Saxon. Latino strictly speaking are Italy, Spain, France and Romania, where Romance Languages (i.e. derived form Latin) originated, not Native Americans and such, whatever language they speak. I'm aware that the current and accepted use is this of the article, but I'm tired of hearing Native Americans calling themselves Latinos... In Spain and to distinguish themselves from the only actual Latinos here, the Spaniards! Thanks to the English' careless use of etymology, Virgil is now turning over in his grave and Cicero dies again and again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.16.30.195 ( talk) 00:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
What can you expect? US citizens are mostly uneducated racist morons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.49.72.153 ( talk) 10:43, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
I created the criticism section because the subject reallt deserves it. There are millions of Latin American people who utterly reject that artificial label.-- Scandza ( talk) 11:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
The Latin Americans who utterly diavow the term latino are in effect correct. People from Latin America are correctly hispanic and not latin because latin refers to French, Italian, and Spaniards from Spain. The correct term for a person from Latin American is Hispanic. 184.32.2.113 ( talk) 04:46, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Well, what about the Brazilians and the Haitians? They`re not hispanic. Latino is a shorthand for latinoamericano. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marco.natalino ( talk • contribs) 07:58, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Then it should be labeled as shorthand for latinoamericano. To use the term in isolation is to use it incorrectly as it means latin. The latin people are a very specific group of people who were from central Italy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crusadinggoonie ( talk • contribs) 15:20, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
African Americans have a strong sense of community identity due to their shared history. There is a tendency for other groups to aspire to the same thing. I think this is part of the problem with people's unhappiness with "Latino." Just putting a label on a collection of people is not going to make it a strong group, be it Latin Americans, Asian Americans, or for that matter white Americans. Northwestgnome ( talk) 15:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
I created this article because everyone thinks that all Latin Americans agree to be tagged under the label "Latino" while there is, indeed, a large amount of general and academic criticism. This view should be balanced and I hope there will be more contributions.
A merge has already beem started by
CartelCacique (
talk ·
contribs) but halted because consensus had not been reached at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Criticism of the term Latino. I do not think there is enough standalone info at the source article but it would do fine in this article, which is essentially a definition page.
Zab
Milenko
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12:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Latino doesn't have anything to do with Latin American. That term refers to the alleged "common identity" of people of Latin American descent LIVING IN THE US. Check the following links:
So please don't use that arbitrary and stereotype-loaded term to refer to Latin Americans outside the US.-- Scandza ( talk) 11:38, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
First you say it has nothing to do with latin american and then on the next sentence you say it refers to people of latin american descent living in the us. So it has everything to do with latin american, since it is, by your own definition, a subgroup formed by the intersection of latin americans and people who live in the us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marco.natalino ( talk • contribs) 08:06, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
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Latinos are Latin because they are speakers of Romance languages, which is the criteria. Also by their very identity as Latin Americans. As in: What kind of Americans are Latinos? They are Latin Americans. EDGARR ( talk) 03:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Latinos speak Spanish, this is the official language of their respective countries. The second most popular language in the U.S. is Spanish. When Latinos and Non-Latinos alike learn a second language here, Spanish and French are probably the most learned in U.S. Public and private learning institutions. There is no language as American Spanish. EDGARR ( talk) 07:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
OK SAM, what now? More blackout of facts, so as to discriminate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by EDGARR ( talk • contribs) 23:36, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Tell the world SAM why you want to remove these facts. EDGARR ( talk) 00:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
EVERY ROMANCE LANGUAGE SPEAKERS ARE CALLED "LATINE". IT INCLUDES SPANISH, FRENCH, ITALIAN, PORTUGUESE AND ROMANIAN PEOPLE. LATINO IS THE WORD TO "LATINE PERSON" IN SPANISH, SO IT IS HOW SPANISH PEOPLE IDENTIFY THEMSELVES IN U.S.A..
SPANIC IS EVERY PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPANISH LANGUAGE AS THEIR MOTHER TONGUE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.149.59.98 ( talk) 18:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
HISPANIC = SPEAKS SPANISH. OF CAUCASIAN SPANIERD ANCESTORS.
LATIN OR "LATINO" = SPEAKS ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: SPANISH, PORTUGUESE, FRENCH, ITALIAN, ROMANIAN, CATALAN, ETC.
LATIN AMERICAN = SPEAKS SPANISH OR PORTUGUESE
GOT IT???
DIZC
I was asked by User:EDGARR to take a look at the current discussion. Mind you that I have never inter-acted with Edgar before and that I have decided to take a look despite the fact that I haven't been feeling well lately and that I have never read the article until now.
I fail to see where Edgarr's edits to the article have created such a big fuzz. They have added to the understanding of article's subject and have not harmed it in anyway. I believe that well intended edits within the established policies of Wikipedia are acceptable.
Now Sam and Edgar, let me make myself clear that I am not taking sides on the issue, I am only expressing my opinion on the subject. I do agree with the protection placed by User:Caribbean H.Q. as a cooling-off period and that a consensus be set up. When we have a topic where various parties disagree, policy permits those involved to seek a mediator who can organize a consensus where the majority decide what is acceptable in an article. I myself will not mediate because of my health problems, but I can recommend User:Mindspillage, who is a fair person, in the event that any of you decide to continue with this issue.
I think that you are both good editors and that this shouldn't be such a big deal. Tony the Marine ( talk) 04:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
HISPANIC = SPEAKS SPANISH. OF CAUCASIAN SPANIERD ANCESTORS.
LATIN OR "LATINO" = SPEAKS ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: SPANISH, PORTUGUESE, FRENCH, ITALIAN, ROMANIAN, CATALAN, ETC.
LATIN AMERICAN = SPEAKS SPANISH OR PORTUGUESE
got it??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dizc net ( talk • contribs) 23:36, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
I have to interject and must mention that there are very real cases of Persians and Arabs having to turn up as Latin, since they ascribe to and speak the language of either Portuguese or Spanish fluently and hail from a Latin nation. I feel that this is an unfortunate lack of mention, even though how minute the minority, deserves mention. Please include as follows "Latino may incompass one or a mixture of any possible race, which includes Caucasian, African, Native American, Pacific Islander, Asian-Indian, Arab, or Persian decent." As this would be a much more fair and balanced entry. As a point, Shakira's family originally hail from Lebonan, an obvious Arab dominant nation - before immigrating to Columbia (correct me if I had the wrong country). Thank you for reading this entry. I hope we can come to a consensus and make the necessary changes. Psypho ( talk) 17:38, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
How Should Hispanics or Latinos Answer the Race Question? People of Hispanic origin may be of any race and should answer the question on race by marking one or more race categories shown on the questionnaire, including White, Black or African American, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander, and Some Other Race. Hispanics are asked to indicate their origin in the question on Hispanic origin, not in the question on race, because in the federal statistical system ethnic origin is considered to be a separate concept from race.
Also in the United States there probably is a higher percentage of Latinos with African or African American blood, because of marriages or mixing with African-Americans, —Preceding unsigned comment added by EDGARR ( talk • contribs) 01:17, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Aside from the fact you're replacing more reliable sources with less reliable ones, the sources being cited don't even appear to support the claims being made -- the dictionary definition being cited is not for the word "Latino," for example. Please explain yourself, and make note of Wikipedia's policies regarding verifiability and original research. – Luna Santin ( talk) 20:20, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
French, spanish, portuguese, Italian or rumananian aren't Latinos. All they speak a romance language (derived fron latin languaje), but they aren't what americans consider Latino. Latinos are latin-Americans. In Europe (I'm European) the word latino doesn't exist, we call people from southAmerica southamericans, and people from central America centralAmerican.
THE term we Latin Americans use to identify ourselves is LATIN, Latino is an artificially US-manufactured word that has many misleading overtones. Many people in the US seem to have problems accepting there are other "Americans" (latin or otherwise) outside the US and therefore make up silly terms such as latino. Also Kman543210 you say that in Europe you guys call people from South America South Americans and people from Central America Central Americans, but what about Mexicans???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.102.254.253 ( talk) 14:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
actually your all wrong THE ONLY REASON SOUTH AMERICAN SPEAKS SPANISH IS CAUSE THEY OVER TOOK IT IN SLAVE ERA THATS WHY BRAZIL SPEAKS PORTUGUESE if your of spanish descent of spanish your hispanic end of stop been thick and look it up half of south amercian are european descent you said " we call people from southAmerica southamericans, and people from central America centralAmerican" if thats true then why used latino/latina all together then why have this article made we might aswell delete it if south american didn't naturally speak spanish spanish people took it like portugal took brazil spanish is what we called spanish people but its also there navie lanauge if tyour spanish or of spanish descent your "Hispanic" without question latino is not the best type and it is a word to use for people of a romance language derived fron latin language which is spoken in countries anymore so it can be italian french portguese spanish really but it isn't the way it is used or ever was. Hispanic or Latino (both terms mean the same thing) are people from or descendants of latin amercia or spain (AKA spanish speaking countries) Veggiegirl ( talk) 11:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
The word latino exists in Europe check out the link [ [3]]. In fact it came to the Americas from Europe from people who considered themselves "Latinos" (Meaning Latins). In the United States, it has become popular to say that latino is short for latin American, (Since most of the visibly spanish speaking peoples are from Latin America.) however the original and authentic translation is "Latin" Anyone who watches Spanish news which originates here in the U.S. will hear the newscasters many times over identify themselves and the viewers as Latin. European Latin(o)s have assimilated more with the Anglo culture in the U.S. and are not usually seen as Latinos. (Speakers of Romance languages) EDGARR ( talk) 13:24, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
We won't get anywhere otherwise. You're choosing to ignore my invitation to discuss, so I'm going to revert you again. If you put back your edit rather than talk, I'm seeking admin help. SamEV ( talk) 14:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
You chose to take down my factual contributions without talking first. Why did you remove I contributions. Your complete opposal and direspect not only to my contribution, but to those of others is against wikipedia's rules. The history of the talk page and the article is indeed evidence of your censuring anyone who does not further the point of view you are trying to push, even if is truthful and factual. There was no freedom of speech while you were a contributer to the Latino article as you reverted everyones contributions without regard to the truth. EDGARR ( talk) 14:46, 19
October 2008 (UTC)Please discuss issues in the talk page before removing items that others have worked hard to research and edit. Do not disrespect others work! EDGARR ( talk) 15:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Similar and related terms
In many instances "Latino" is used interchangeably with the terms "Latin" and "Latin American",[18] as Latino is also defined in the English language as a "Latin inhabitant of the United States".[19] As a demonym, though, "Latin" can have other meanings:[20][21]
- "a native or inhabitant of Latium; an ancient Roman."
- "a member of any of the Latin peoples, or those speaking chiefly Romance languages, esp. a native of or émigré from Latin America."
- "a member of the Latin Church; a Roman Catholic, as distinguished from a member of the Greek Church."
- "A Latino or Latina."
"Latin American" may also not mean the same as "Latino," depending on which definition of the latter is used. A Spaniard, for example, though a "Latino" by some definitions, is not a Latin American. The term "Latin American", in turn, is normally applied to inhabitants of Latin America; nevertheless, some individuals and organizations in the United States do prefer to identify as "Latin American", while others prefer "Latin". "Latin American" is defined as:
- "A native or inhabitant of Latin America."[25]
- "A person of Latin-American descent."[25]
because of lack of proof that there's notable use of "Latino cuisine", "Latino music" and "Latino Grammy Awards", and that if there is, we would need proof that they are used in the same sense that "Latin Cuisine", "Latin music", and "Latin Grammy Awards" are used, respectively. It seems original research for us to assume they're being used to mean the same thing. What do you think, Edgar?
hence Latin Cuisine","Latin music", and "Latin Grammy Awards among others. 1. first on Latin Cuisine - the links provided, if read used the terms synonymously consistently. 2. Who plays Latin music, who listens to latin music. Salsa is considered one form of latin music. Eddie Palmieri, Tito Puente, Ray Barreto. It is obvious what is referred to, and the links are abundently available. 3. Again with the Latin Grammy Awards, I had provided links which were removed with the mayor of New York speaking on the Latin Grammy's and referring to the participants as Latino and Latin interchangeably. The participants are Latin(os) mostly from the the United States, Latin Americas, Spain, and even Italy participated. the dictionaries define latino as : A person of Hispanic, especially Latin-American, descent, often one living in the United States. and also either meaning "Latin", or possibly a clipped form of latinoamericano, "Latin American".....I don't understand what the confusion is. The definition itself indicates one of the ways Latino is used is as 'Latin'. There are abundant instances of this in the real world. These are just 3. I believe the paragraph needs to be reinserted as examples of how Latino and Latin are used interchangeably.—Preceding unsigned comment added by EDGARR ( talk • contribs) 03:49, 23 October, 2008 (UTC)
You misunderstand, I'm not saying its also called the Latino-Grammy award. Its called the Latin Grammys because people Latin people participate in it, because it is of Latin culture and entertainment. The participants are Latinos. Latinos both from the Americas and Europe understand that Latino is synonymous with Latin, (the dictionary states this as one meaning, but little attention is given to this meaning by the anglo community), this is why the sponsors named it Latin Grammys. The same with Latin music. Latins play latin music, (or as you would say Latinos play latin music). They named the music Latin Music because latinos originated it. (However some sites as aol call it latino music, though). Latin Music musicians play the music, they self identify as Latin music players, so they call the music Latin Music. You seem to want them to self identify themselves as Latino Music players. You can't say they can't claim the music they play as theirs, unless, they call it Latino Music and call themselves Latino music players. Italian food is Italian because Italians cook it via their recipe's. Can you say, no way Giada, its not Italian because you have to find where it says Italo or italiano food? Or no way, because it was cooked in New York and not Rome? If you wish to call the people at the Latin-Grammies Latino instead of Latin, so be it, however you can't force these Latin(o) people to call their show what you want them to call it. My point (again) is that the participants (those you call Latino use the term Latino and Latin interchangeably.) It is their (these Latinos)show, they call it the Latin Grammies. As for the cusine- O.K. now we already know that latinos identify as Latin American and also as Latin. it's almost as if you wish U.S. Latin(o)s have the obligation to invent a whole new different culture just because they are here in the U.S., invent new foods so we may claim some ownership and history to it. We brought our history and culture, our 'Latin Cusine' with us (like the italians) We don't have to prove it originated in the U.S. for it to be Latino or Latin, we don't have to call it Latin and also call it Latino in the same sentence all the time, (just understand that these terms are used interchangeably.) We do not have to keep reiventing the wheel so to speak. Don't misunderstand, I am not trying to argue at all. I'am trying to get you to understand how the terms are used here in the U.S. esp. the east coast, and his is how is it is widely understood by Latin Europeans and Latin Americans. I will repost with refs. soon. Let me know either here or on my talk page what you think so we can cooperate.... EDGARR ( talk) 05:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
First of all let me state that I'am not trying to add disputed content. You are attempting to remove content that has been in the article for over a year, and to which you had no objection earlier. Being objective, the weight of the evidence is that the Latin/Latinos who every year present themselves with these grammies are self identifying as latin. The same applies with the Latin Musicians. It's common sense Sam. Look up the meaning of latin and you will find that it applies to Latinos, More than one dictionary also defines Latinos as Latin. Be that as it may I will add links to the comments which convey this. The burden of proof would rest with you to prove that this somehow is not what is meant. Please add sources & references. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by EDGARR ( talk • contribs) 01:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
HISPANIC = SPEAKS SPANISH. OF CAUCASIAN SPANIERD ANCESTORS.
LATIN OR "LATINO" = SPEAKS ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: SPANISH, PORTUGUESE, FRENCH, ITALIAN, ROMANIAN, CATALAN, ETC.
LATIN AMERICAN = SPEAKS SPANISH OR PORTUGUESE
"LATINO" AS USED IN THE USA, REFERING TO SPANISH SPEAKERS ONLY, IS WRONG. Italians are as "Latinos" as Mexicans and they´re not called that in USA
GOT IT??? DIZC —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dizc net ( talk • contribs) 23:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
If you want to make changes to the words I chose from Latino to Hispanic, first you have to define clearly and precisely what you are defining those terms. I see that there is an unbalanced quote where it tries to seperate the terms Hispanic and Latino so as to say they are not the same, but the second part of the quote is omitted as it states that the different Latin American people have differences over to which one they identify with. Also Latin music is Latin because the folks who created the music self identify as Latin. YOU are choosing to call them Latinos. Latin Americans self identify as Latins and they named their music is known as Latin music. the Latin grammies was created by a Mexican American (Your may choose to call him Latino). Anyhow here's a link to a pairing of the terms as used by Latinos/Latins for the Grammy and music [ [8]] , see where it say Latino music and Latin interchangeabley. However be aware that the most used term by far is Latin Music. Also see [ [9]] And also see a magazine which was very popular and whose name reflects to the people you call Latino [ [10]]. If you go through these you will see the that the 'Latinos' you speak of self identify as Latin, Hispanic and Latin American and use these interchangeably or in a synonymous manner. Latin music, Latin Jazz these are terms the people you call 'Latinos' use to identify their music. They do do use Latino Jazz or Latino music. The following is an excerpt from the editors of Latin N.Y. Magazine as an example: "The Vision of LNY Magazine in 1967 was to have a Latin Magazine written in English for the Latin American community of New York City. The plan was to assemble a group of unpaid freelance writers, entertainers, community activist, family friends and those who had a strong conviction and involvement in the community to help launch a magazine geared for the Latin community of New York City. It was a monumental task, a total commitment of volunteers who had a strong belief in the success of the magazine. Unfortunately due to lack of finances and corporate advertising the magazine was an overwhelming success for our readers for the short time that it was in existence. LATIN NY pioneered the way Latin Magazines are written today". -end- If you can't understand this SAM you are not Latino and really do not understand much about the people you refer to as Latino. Also see [ [11]]and [ [12]] I would like to believe that you are working in good faith, and not trying to help genocide a culture. EDGARR ( talk) 00:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
please people, we are trying to improve this article, no Latin American hate propaganda or agenda's please. This is most unhelpful and Wikipedia frowns against such things. EDGARR ( talk) 23:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Spanish speakers and persons belonging to a household where Spanish was spoken Persons with Spanish heritage by birth location Persons who self-identify with Spanish ancestry or descent —Preceding unsigned comment added by EDGARR ( talk • contribs) 13:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
It goes both ways sam, now however what do you mean until we've settled it all.? So far that is all I have until I do more research, gather sources and write material.
I challenge you to find where I agreed to ONE BIG EDIT. That is ridiculous, like I said this is the edit I have worked at this time. What are we supposed to do wait months until we work out all the details before this bias filled article is corrected. Fine but meanwhile I have to dispute its neutrality. I will now edit in the OMB's paragraph on the link you provided. However the OMB'S paragraph far removed from its relevant paragraph and body of the article sort of 'misplaces' it. EDGARR ( talk) 01:01, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
One edit at a time is good, but waiting for all edits to be done would be a waste of time while the article sits in it's current condition EDGARR ( talk) 01:24, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Similar and related terms
In some instances "Latino", which is also defined in the English language as a "Latin inhabitant of the United States",[17] is used interchangeably with the terms "Latin" and "Latin American".[ref (latinopm.com)][18] As a demonym, though, "Latin" can have other meanings:[20][21]
- "a native or inhabitant of Latium; an ancient Roman."
- "a member of any of the Latin peoples, or those speaking chiefly Romance languages, esp. a native of or émigré from Latin America."
- "a member of the Latin Church; a Roman Catholic, as distinguished from a member of the Greek Church."
- "A Latino or Latina."
"Latin American" may also not mean the same as "Latino," depending on which definition of the latter is used. A Spaniard, for example, though a "Latino" by some definitions, is not a Latin American. The term "Latin American", in turn, though it is most often applied to inhabitants of Latin America, is also preferred by some Latino individuals and organizations in the United States.[21][22][23] Some Americans of Latino origin also identify themselves as "Latin".[ref] "Latin American" is defined as:
- "A native or inhabitant of Latin America."[25]
- "A person of Latin-American descent."[25]
hispanic/latino has the same meaning spanish are hispanic the only reason there is a thing called latin america is because of the spanish empire most of the popular hispanics are native americans (south) or mixed look up history spanish is where the latin/hispanic comes from wouldn't be latin america other wise please explain why spanish can't be added as the spanish lauage comes from spain and what makes latin americans countries latin then latin the launage was first done in italy and if spanish isn't condsider hispanic then name a reason why the term latin hisapanic is used there what other meanings does it have. This article is about latino/hispanics altogether not americans citzens there is another site about latin/hispanic american people so it needs to be changed this is site is kinda written the same way WHY HAVE TO ARTICLES WRITTEN THE SAME?, on the side it has mexican americans but what about mexicans not americans cut the amercian parts out just have a list of south americans coutries/ spain etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.207.236 ( talk) 08:44, 16 December 2008
okay lets put an end to this hispanic and latino/latina thing they mean the same nowadays its has the same meaning but they don't have a article here that has it hispanicis about hispanic histroy not what it acutally means nowadays as an ethnic term so unless you make a new article (which will be the same as this one) then why not add "an hispanic person" to the top of the page where all the other popular terms/meaning of latinos is i added it so what do you think its not changing the title of the article but also showing latin can mean latino/latina or hispanic —Preceding unsigned comment added by Veggiegirl ( talk • contribs) 09:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I removed the “controversy” section for a variety of reasons. It appears to violate wikipedia’s policy on “unwarranted promotion of fringe theories,” and "original research," as the sources cited were garbage and it fails to mention who those are that are protesting the term “latino.” And the idea of the term Latino being racist is itself absurd, as it is what Latinos call themselves (Hispanic is the term that was devised by the US government). I looked up that Olin Tezcatlipoca, who wrote the sources, – he is not an academic or any kind of legit authority, he is just some nutty racist protestor from a hate group. And that other source is just some amateur hobbyist site (riddled with spelling errors), whose author likewise has no apparent credentials whatsoever. If this section is to be included it needs some proper-academic, reliable resources, because it was only supported by shoddy original research and was also an obvious NPOV/notibility violation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hb353 ( talk • contribs) 16:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
The resources were apparently amateur. One was riddled with spelling errors and provided no information about the author. The others led to some racist hate group called Mexica Movement. None of those resources are reliable by wikipedia standards. If there really is a controversy surrounding the use of term "Latino," and it is not just fringe theory held by a few, then where are the newspaper articles and scholarly papers about it? Include some reliable supporting resources if you want to include that section Hb353 ( talk) 21:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)hb353
Edgar, cite better sources. I'm not opposed to having a similar section, and as you can see, neither is Hb353. Just find better sources, please. SamEV ( talk) 21:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
The authors of the indigineous websites are authors, educators who are referenced by education institutions and Native American organizations themselves. They have been presented with numerous awards by peers and others. It unequivocally qualifies as a source for wikipedia, any omission or erasure of information provided by them that was already in the article is considered vandalism by wikipedia rules. Furthermore the change was not first introduced at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Latinos/Latinosandbox and this violated the edit rules for this article as agreed to by you,Sam. Also the editor is not allowed to edit this article because he is not an establised editor of the this Latino article. Even his oldest article in Wikipedia itself goes no further back than Jan. This raises serious questions. The editor is violating wikipedia rules, rules established for editing of this article, and you Sam are not questioning these violations? EDGARR ( talk) 02:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
03:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
1- thanks for not deleting outright my last contribution,(instead you edited just a bit to make it flow a bit smoother.) 2- A question. Do you know who actually started this article? EDGARR ( talk) 16:50, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
They are technically latin american. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.165.38 ( talk) 02:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I have edited the intro of the wiki to reflect this. The previous version had it as "people of partial or full Latin American extraction. The problem with that is it would be an ethnoym in this case, which it clearly is not. As people of all races can be Latinos, so too can people of all ethnicities. If Latino were an ethnonym pertaining to people of Latin American extraction (extraction means ethnic origin; indigenous roots), only people of the "Native American race" from ethnicities in Latin America would be Latinos, which obviously isn't the case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.39.57 ( talk) 20:29, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
I am terrified with the content of this article. It will be very important to know the meaning of the term Latin in the world, to be able to understand its meaning in regard to Latin America, and its use in the USA. Latin is a very old concept used around the world. As a language and as a culture, it identifies those countries in Europe that were under the domain of the Roman Empire, and speak a Roman Language. These countries being Italy-Italian, France-French, Spain-Spanish, Portugal-Portuguese. The Latin American concept refers to the countries in America whose 1st language is Spanish, French or Portuguese. Latino refers to the male that speaks, while Latina refers to the female.
Latino does not mean the same as Hispanic. Hipanic refers to a language spoken in many contries, it does not refers to a culture. Example: People who come from Brazil are Latinos but they do not speak Spanish.
I guess that if Mexicans, Peruvians or Colombians are Latinos, Sitting Bull or the Australian Aborigines must be called Anglo-Saxon. Latino strictly speaking are Italy, Spain, France and Romania, where Romance Languages (i.e. derived form Latin) originated, not Native Americans and such, whatever language they speak. I'm aware that the current and accepted use is this of the article, but I'm tired of hearing Native Americans calling themselves Latinos... In Spain and to distinguish themselves from the only actual Latinos here, the Spaniards! Thanks to the English' careless use of etymology, Virgil is now turning over in his grave and Cicero dies again and again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.16.30.195 ( talk) 00:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
What can you expect? US citizens are mostly uneducated racist morons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.49.72.153 ( talk) 10:43, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
I created the criticism section because the subject reallt deserves it. There are millions of Latin American people who utterly reject that artificial label.-- Scandza ( talk) 11:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
The Latin Americans who utterly diavow the term latino are in effect correct. People from Latin America are correctly hispanic and not latin because latin refers to French, Italian, and Spaniards from Spain. The correct term for a person from Latin American is Hispanic. 184.32.2.113 ( talk) 04:46, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Well, what about the Brazilians and the Haitians? They`re not hispanic. Latino is a shorthand for latinoamericano. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marco.natalino ( talk • contribs) 07:58, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Then it should be labeled as shorthand for latinoamericano. To use the term in isolation is to use it incorrectly as it means latin. The latin people are a very specific group of people who were from central Italy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crusadinggoonie ( talk • contribs) 15:20, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
African Americans have a strong sense of community identity due to their shared history. There is a tendency for other groups to aspire to the same thing. I think this is part of the problem with people's unhappiness with "Latino." Just putting a label on a collection of people is not going to make it a strong group, be it Latin Americans, Asian Americans, or for that matter white Americans. Northwestgnome ( talk) 15:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
I created this article because everyone thinks that all Latin Americans agree to be tagged under the label "Latino" while there is, indeed, a large amount of general and academic criticism. This view should be balanced and I hope there will be more contributions.
A merge has already beem started by
CartelCacique (
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contribs) but halted because consensus had not been reached at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Criticism of the term Latino. I do not think there is enough standalone info at the source article but it would do fine in this article, which is essentially a definition page.
Zab
Milenko
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12:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Latino doesn't have anything to do with Latin American. That term refers to the alleged "common identity" of people of Latin American descent LIVING IN THE US. Check the following links:
So please don't use that arbitrary and stereotype-loaded term to refer to Latin Americans outside the US.-- Scandza ( talk) 11:38, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
First you say it has nothing to do with latin american and then on the next sentence you say it refers to people of latin american descent living in the us. So it has everything to do with latin american, since it is, by your own definition, a subgroup formed by the intersection of latin americans and people who live in the us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marco.natalino ( talk • contribs) 08:06, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
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