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Needs categories, see also, and several other cool Wikipedia things added. Ref list and maybe an image file. None of which I can remember how to do. Fxmastermind ( talk) 13:46, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Since when is 600 AD considered "Late Antiquity"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PauloDiCapistrano ( talk • contribs) 06:59, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Since the 1970s. Late Antiquity covers the 3rd to 8th centuries, or anything between the reigns of Diocletian and Charlemagne. Dimadick ( talk) 07:51, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Dont know more, but in 535, in china, Northern Wei was divided in two(Western and Eastern Wei): /info/en/?search=Emperor_Xiaowu_of_Northern_Wei There is research on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2800:200:F410:1CB3:D49D:D4B3:BA0E:DBDE ( talk) 02:32, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Everything about this period is still under research and changing. Even how to define the period. For example says it was "mid-6th century" to "roughly 560". Other sources extend it to the 7th century. Other sources say it was related a decline in solar output, other sources don't say anything about solar output. Precise and definitive definitions of dates and causes misrepresents the state of the research and thinking. There are relatively few papers available and most of them are relatively recent. -- Green C 17:00, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
The claim that "The cause of the Late Antique Little Ice Age was a decline in solar activity " is misleading. Most papers say Late Antique Little Ice Age was initiated by volcanic disruptions. Certainly decline in solar contributed to a lowering of temps by perhaps a degree, but without volcanoes it may have never been called a "little ice age". I've read Harper's book when it was published, it is good and no longer have a copy. It appeared to be a summary of research, not new research. This is a major claim that repositions the LALIA as primarily defined as a solar activity event, contrary to the peer reviewed papers. I'd like to see what exactly Harper said.
2018 source (PDF) on page 11:
So we have "contributed to", "reinforced", "sustained by", "combined with" .. but no one is saying the Ice Age was "caused by" the solar minimum. If anything the sources says this was primarily a volcanic event ("kicked off the freeze") with the solar forcing contributing to, reinforcing and sustaining it. -- Green C 18:21, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
The period is called Late Antiquity. Old furniture is antique. Antique vs Antiquity - What's the difference?. There are reliable sources that use both. IMO the technically correct usage is Antiquity. The original coinage is uncertain. As is most common usage. -- Green C 23:43, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
This graph shows data from a later little ice age (this one: /info/en/?search=Little_Ice_Age). A chart from this article might be more appropriate? https://www.researchgate.net/publication/293640841_Cooling_and_societal_change_during_the_Late_Antique_Little_Ice_Age_from_536_to_around_660_AD Or this one? https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/epub/10.1177/0959683620941079. Etherealkiwis ( talk) 20:39, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
The volcanic winter article is mostly about the causes of the sudden drop in temperature – causes that are also discussed here. I'm particularly bothered by a conflicting description of those causes. This article states that the drop in global temperature was probably caused by volcanic activity, but mentions the comet and asteroid theories. The volcanic winter article treats volcanic activity as an absolute, undoubted fact. Merging would not just eliminate redundance, but reconcile conflicting information. Isaac Rabinovitch ( talk) 19:18, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
Keep both articles. Volcanic winter describes one notable event; Late antique ice age describes an era. Notable events within an era deserve a separate article on that event. Enough information about the 536 volcanic winter exists to justify it as a separate article. Smallchief ( talk) 12:44, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
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Needs categories, see also, and several other cool Wikipedia things added. Ref list and maybe an image file. None of which I can remember how to do. Fxmastermind ( talk) 13:46, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Since when is 600 AD considered "Late Antiquity"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PauloDiCapistrano ( talk • contribs) 06:59, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Since the 1970s. Late Antiquity covers the 3rd to 8th centuries, or anything between the reigns of Diocletian and Charlemagne. Dimadick ( talk) 07:51, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Dont know more, but in 535, in china, Northern Wei was divided in two(Western and Eastern Wei): /info/en/?search=Emperor_Xiaowu_of_Northern_Wei There is research on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2800:200:F410:1CB3:D49D:D4B3:BA0E:DBDE ( talk) 02:32, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Everything about this period is still under research and changing. Even how to define the period. For example says it was "mid-6th century" to "roughly 560". Other sources extend it to the 7th century. Other sources say it was related a decline in solar output, other sources don't say anything about solar output. Precise and definitive definitions of dates and causes misrepresents the state of the research and thinking. There are relatively few papers available and most of them are relatively recent. -- Green C 17:00, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
The claim that "The cause of the Late Antique Little Ice Age was a decline in solar activity " is misleading. Most papers say Late Antique Little Ice Age was initiated by volcanic disruptions. Certainly decline in solar contributed to a lowering of temps by perhaps a degree, but without volcanoes it may have never been called a "little ice age". I've read Harper's book when it was published, it is good and no longer have a copy. It appeared to be a summary of research, not new research. This is a major claim that repositions the LALIA as primarily defined as a solar activity event, contrary to the peer reviewed papers. I'd like to see what exactly Harper said.
2018 source (PDF) on page 11:
So we have "contributed to", "reinforced", "sustained by", "combined with" .. but no one is saying the Ice Age was "caused by" the solar minimum. If anything the sources says this was primarily a volcanic event ("kicked off the freeze") with the solar forcing contributing to, reinforcing and sustaining it. -- Green C 18:21, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
The period is called Late Antiquity. Old furniture is antique. Antique vs Antiquity - What's the difference?. There are reliable sources that use both. IMO the technically correct usage is Antiquity. The original coinage is uncertain. As is most common usage. -- Green C 23:43, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
This graph shows data from a later little ice age (this one: /info/en/?search=Little_Ice_Age). A chart from this article might be more appropriate? https://www.researchgate.net/publication/293640841_Cooling_and_societal_change_during_the_Late_Antique_Little_Ice_Age_from_536_to_around_660_AD Or this one? https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/epub/10.1177/0959683620941079. Etherealkiwis ( talk) 20:39, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
The volcanic winter article is mostly about the causes of the sudden drop in temperature – causes that are also discussed here. I'm particularly bothered by a conflicting description of those causes. This article states that the drop in global temperature was probably caused by volcanic activity, but mentions the comet and asteroid theories. The volcanic winter article treats volcanic activity as an absolute, undoubted fact. Merging would not just eliminate redundance, but reconcile conflicting information. Isaac Rabinovitch ( talk) 19:18, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
Keep both articles. Volcanic winter describes one notable event; Late antique ice age describes an era. Notable events within an era deserve a separate article on that event. Enough information about the 536 volcanic winter exists to justify it as a separate article. Smallchief ( talk) 12:44, 12 December 2022 (UTC)