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@ BatteryIncluded: Sorry I didn't source that edit. Here are the sources:
ATLAST and HDST can be thought of as possible implementations of LUVOIR.
We have assembled a multi-institutional team, ..., to study ATLAST, a candidate mission concept for LUVOIR and very similar in capability to the HDST.
There are many potential LUVOIR architectures, including three proposed by the 2008 ATLAST study.
One of the most recent such proposals has been named the "High Definition Space Telescope," (HDST), but the general concept is called LUVOIR (Large Ultraviolet Visible Infrared).
It could be phrased differently. I think the important thing to make clear to a reader is that they are all design studies for what will eventually become one launched instrument. (It's not like the competition between the Thirty Meter Telescope, Giant Magellan Telescope and Extremely Large Telescope, all of which are under construction.) Your "competing proposals" description does this well, but the ATLAST team consistently describe ATLAST as a LUVOIR candidate, so I thought describing LUVOIR as the umbrella made the most sense. HDST is a design study by AURA, ATLAST is a proposal to the 2020 decadal surey by a bunch of NASA divisions (GSFD, MSFC, JPL, STSci), and LUVIOR is a proposal for a NASA mission. 23.83.37.241 ( talk) 11:18, 10 February 2018 (UTC) 23.83.37.241 ( talk) 11:18, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Do all proposals include unfolding a segmented mirror like JWST ? Looking at the final report (Aug 2019) : L'-A (15m) folds to fit in 8m fairing, L'-B (8m) folds to fit in 5m fairing. Are there any proposals for a cheaper (less risky?) unfolded mirror to take advantage of 8m fairings eg in Starship or SLS block 2 ? - Rod57 ( talk) 00:37, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
High-Definition Space Telescope and Advanced Technology Large-Aperture Space Telescope → Large UV Optical Infrared Surveyor – since both LUVOIR-A and B are competing proposals for LUVOIR, I don't think it makes much sense for these proposals, one of which will become LUVOIR and the other simply won't be selected, to have separate articles from Large UV Optical Infrared Surveyor. It made sense at a time when both HDST and ATLAST were separate proposals for separate missions, but this is no longer the case. [1] [2] [3] – PhilipTerryGraham ( talk · articles · reviews) 13:54, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
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decision:
No consensus. See no general agreement below to use the acronym to title this article. As is usual with a no-consensus outcome, editors can strengthen their arguments and try again in a few months to effect a renaming.
Kudos to editors for your input, and
Happy Publishing! (
nac by
page mover)
PI Ellsworth
ed.
put'r there 17:25, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Large UV Optical Infrared Surveyor → LUVOIR – per Wikipedia's guidelines on commonly recognisable names. In addition to the official website of the project preferencing the use of the "LUVOIR" acronym in titles and prose, [1] various third party sources either preference the acronym or use the acronym more than its full name. [2] [3] [4] [5] One should also note that LUVOIR already redirects to this article, and there is no other topic or subject with this name or acronym.
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– PhilipTerryGraham ( talk · articles · reviews) 14:21, 18 November 2019 (UTC) —Relisted. P. I. Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 11:01, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
The result of the discussion is no move. -- Soumyabrata ( talk • subpages) 09:48, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 09:53, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Large UV Optical Infrared Surveyor → Large Ultraviolet Optical Infrared Surveyor – I want to skip a general discussion on all the names used by both NASA, the LUVOIR team, and third party sources, and focus on a single name I believe to be more commonly recognisable than the current article title, "Large UV Optical Infrared Surveyor" – which is used by some third party sources, [1] [2] [3] and the Goddard Space Flight Center's final report on LUVOIR. [4] "Large Ultraviolet Optical Infrared Surveyor" is used literally by some third party sources as well, [5] [6] and variations of names that have the word "Ultraviolet" – such as "Large Ultraviolet/Optical/Infrared Surveyor" and "Large Ultraviolet-Optical-Infrared Surveyor" – are used much more often than those that use "UV" instead. [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] The LUVOIR report uses "Large Ultraviolet / Optical / Infrared Surveyor" in its prose introduction, [4] and the LUVOIR team's official website bills it as the "Large Ultraviolet Optical Infrared Telescope". [13] Therefore by proxy, I believe that "Large Ultraviolet Optical Infrared Surveyor" is the more appropriate name for this article. Pinging all participants in the previous discussion with {{ Hidden ping}}.
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When will the National Academy of Sciences' Decadal survey committee make its recommendation to NASA (between LUVOIR-A, LUVOIR-B, and the other 3 contenders) ? - Rod57 ( talk) 21:02, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Hasn't been updated since before 2020 172.58.43.170 ( talk) 23:51, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
What mirror temperature and longest wavelength infrared is planned ? Near-infrared only goes out to about 2500 nm. - Rod57 ( talk) 17:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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The contents of the Advanced Technology Large-Aperture Space Telescope page were merged into Large Ultraviolet Optical Infrared Surveyor. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. (28 November 2019) |
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This article has previously been nominated to be moved.
Discussions:
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This article is written in American English, which has its own spelling conventions (color, defense, traveled) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus. |
@ BatteryIncluded: Sorry I didn't source that edit. Here are the sources:
ATLAST and HDST can be thought of as possible implementations of LUVOIR.
We have assembled a multi-institutional team, ..., to study ATLAST, a candidate mission concept for LUVOIR and very similar in capability to the HDST.
There are many potential LUVOIR architectures, including three proposed by the 2008 ATLAST study.
One of the most recent such proposals has been named the "High Definition Space Telescope," (HDST), but the general concept is called LUVOIR (Large Ultraviolet Visible Infrared).
It could be phrased differently. I think the important thing to make clear to a reader is that they are all design studies for what will eventually become one launched instrument. (It's not like the competition between the Thirty Meter Telescope, Giant Magellan Telescope and Extremely Large Telescope, all of which are under construction.) Your "competing proposals" description does this well, but the ATLAST team consistently describe ATLAST as a LUVOIR candidate, so I thought describing LUVOIR as the umbrella made the most sense. HDST is a design study by AURA, ATLAST is a proposal to the 2020 decadal surey by a bunch of NASA divisions (GSFD, MSFC, JPL, STSci), and LUVIOR is a proposal for a NASA mission. 23.83.37.241 ( talk) 11:18, 10 February 2018 (UTC) 23.83.37.241 ( talk) 11:18, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Do all proposals include unfolding a segmented mirror like JWST ? Looking at the final report (Aug 2019) : L'-A (15m) folds to fit in 8m fairing, L'-B (8m) folds to fit in 5m fairing. Are there any proposals for a cheaper (less risky?) unfolded mirror to take advantage of 8m fairings eg in Starship or SLS block 2 ? - Rod57 ( talk) 00:37, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
High-Definition Space Telescope and Advanced Technology Large-Aperture Space Telescope → Large UV Optical Infrared Surveyor – since both LUVOIR-A and B are competing proposals for LUVOIR, I don't think it makes much sense for these proposals, one of which will become LUVOIR and the other simply won't be selected, to have separate articles from Large UV Optical Infrared Surveyor. It made sense at a time when both HDST and ATLAST were separate proposals for separate missions, but this is no longer the case. [1] [2] [3] – PhilipTerryGraham ( talk · articles · reviews) 13:54, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
References
decision:
No consensus. See no general agreement below to use the acronym to title this article. As is usual with a no-consensus outcome, editors can strengthen their arguments and try again in a few months to effect a renaming.
Kudos to editors for your input, and
Happy Publishing! (
nac by
page mover)
PI Ellsworth
ed.
put'r there 17:25, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Large UV Optical Infrared Surveyor → LUVOIR – per Wikipedia's guidelines on commonly recognisable names. In addition to the official website of the project preferencing the use of the "LUVOIR" acronym in titles and prose, [1] various third party sources either preference the acronym or use the acronym more than its full name. [2] [3] [4] [5] One should also note that LUVOIR already redirects to this article, and there is no other topic or subject with this name or acronym.
References
– PhilipTerryGraham ( talk · articles · reviews) 14:21, 18 November 2019 (UTC) —Relisted. P. I. Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 11:01, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
The result of the discussion is no move. -- Soumyabrata ( talk • subpages) 09:48, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 09:53, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Large UV Optical Infrared Surveyor → Large Ultraviolet Optical Infrared Surveyor – I want to skip a general discussion on all the names used by both NASA, the LUVOIR team, and third party sources, and focus on a single name I believe to be more commonly recognisable than the current article title, "Large UV Optical Infrared Surveyor" – which is used by some third party sources, [1] [2] [3] and the Goddard Space Flight Center's final report on LUVOIR. [4] "Large Ultraviolet Optical Infrared Surveyor" is used literally by some third party sources as well, [5] [6] and variations of names that have the word "Ultraviolet" – such as "Large Ultraviolet/Optical/Infrared Surveyor" and "Large Ultraviolet-Optical-Infrared Surveyor" – are used much more often than those that use "UV" instead. [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] The LUVOIR report uses "Large Ultraviolet / Optical / Infrared Surveyor" in its prose introduction, [4] and the LUVOIR team's official website bills it as the "Large Ultraviolet Optical Infrared Telescope". [13] Therefore by proxy, I believe that "Large Ultraviolet Optical Infrared Surveyor" is the more appropriate name for this article. Pinging all participants in the previous discussion with {{ Hidden ping}}.
References
When will the National Academy of Sciences' Decadal survey committee make its recommendation to NASA (between LUVOIR-A, LUVOIR-B, and the other 3 contenders) ? - Rod57 ( talk) 21:02, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Hasn't been updated since before 2020 172.58.43.170 ( talk) 23:51, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
What mirror temperature and longest wavelength infrared is planned ? Near-infrared only goes out to about 2500 nm. - Rod57 ( talk) 17:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)