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This doesn't tell the whole story. After the riot at the grounds, the gang of C18 and their mates made their way to O'Connell Street where the police were waiting. The Guards had blocked off every side street and the intersection with Parnell Street. Once the fash arrived, they were blocked in and the Guards played whack a Nazi for a few hours (eye-witness report - I was on Parnell Street). Not sure if there are any decent sources for that part of the night's event. Donnacha ( talk) 12:15, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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Deleted speculation about Chelsea fans, Headhunters and Combat 18. There is no source to these rumours. My mate knew someone who bought a dog from a bloke down his street who met someone in a pub in Thailand in 2014 who said it was caused by Combat 18 Chelsea Headhunters is not a viable source. Provide evidence, police statements or court documents if you wish to speculate about the above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.82.78.123 ( talk) 11:37, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Tidied up the "match" section.
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As the national anthems of each side were being played, there was some trouble, with some Irish fans jeering "God Save The Queen", and some English fans, including members of Combat 18, chanting "Sieg Heil," "no surrender to the IRA (to the tune of the chorus line of the hymn "Oil in My Lamp")," "Ulster is British," and giving the Nazi salute as "Amhrán na bhFiann" was playing.
This is pure speculation. The entire match is on Youtube as it went out live. Jeering can be heard during National Anthems. It is impossible to hear what the English fans are chanting. It certainly does not sound like "no surrender" and there are no visible Nazi salutes. And even if this chanting took place you can not possibly tell if the people chanting were members of Combat 18.
It's not a credible source but I had three English friends that travelled out there. They were in the mix when it started. They claim that there was no nazi chanting or salutes. They didn't hear or see any English fan making any reference to Nazis or members of Combat 18. For a Wikipedia article you need sources so I am not putting this on the article as it is only a testimony from three people that were there. By the same token we can't have speculation about Combat 18 or Nazis being there unless it can be corroborated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.82.78.123 ( talk) 11:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
In case anyone wants to look deeper into it please see this.
" What I am saying, now as then, is that no specific and credible substantiated names have ever been produced for C18 being inside the stadium, and the events as they unfolded undermine, rather than corroborate, fanciful claims of C18 ‘orchestrating’ the disturbance. "
https://www.borderland.co.uk/component/k2/item/8-combat-18-the-1995-dublin-riot-revisited-don-t-believe-the-hype.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.82.78.123 ( talk) 12:02, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Information that mentions that Combat 18, neo-nazis, or right-wing militants were involved (or likely involved) in these riots has been deleted from the article. I've found some reliable sources that can be used to add the information back in.
There are actually a lot more out there, but I assume this is enough to back up that this is not a "myth" or "lies". - Whisperjanes ( talk) 01:02, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
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This doesn't tell the whole story. After the riot at the grounds, the gang of C18 and their mates made their way to O'Connell Street where the police were waiting. The Guards had blocked off every side street and the intersection with Parnell Street. Once the fash arrived, they were blocked in and the Guards played whack a Nazi for a few hours (eye-witness report - I was on Parnell Street). Not sure if there are any decent sources for that part of the night's event. Donnacha ( talk) 12:15, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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Deleted speculation about Chelsea fans, Headhunters and Combat 18. There is no source to these rumours. My mate knew someone who bought a dog from a bloke down his street who met someone in a pub in Thailand in 2014 who said it was caused by Combat 18 Chelsea Headhunters is not a viable source. Provide evidence, police statements or court documents if you wish to speculate about the above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.82.78.123 ( talk) 11:37, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Tidied up the "match" section.
It claimed
As the national anthems of each side were being played, there was some trouble, with some Irish fans jeering "God Save The Queen", and some English fans, including members of Combat 18, chanting "Sieg Heil," "no surrender to the IRA (to the tune of the chorus line of the hymn "Oil in My Lamp")," "Ulster is British," and giving the Nazi salute as "Amhrán na bhFiann" was playing.
This is pure speculation. The entire match is on Youtube as it went out live. Jeering can be heard during National Anthems. It is impossible to hear what the English fans are chanting. It certainly does not sound like "no surrender" and there are no visible Nazi salutes. And even if this chanting took place you can not possibly tell if the people chanting were members of Combat 18.
It's not a credible source but I had three English friends that travelled out there. They were in the mix when it started. They claim that there was no nazi chanting or salutes. They didn't hear or see any English fan making any reference to Nazis or members of Combat 18. For a Wikipedia article you need sources so I am not putting this on the article as it is only a testimony from three people that were there. By the same token we can't have speculation about Combat 18 or Nazis being there unless it can be corroborated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.82.78.123 ( talk) 11:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
In case anyone wants to look deeper into it please see this.
" What I am saying, now as then, is that no specific and credible substantiated names have ever been produced for C18 being inside the stadium, and the events as they unfolded undermine, rather than corroborate, fanciful claims of C18 ‘orchestrating’ the disturbance. "
https://www.borderland.co.uk/component/k2/item/8-combat-18-the-1995-dublin-riot-revisited-don-t-believe-the-hype.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.82.78.123 ( talk) 12:02, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Information that mentions that Combat 18, neo-nazis, or right-wing militants were involved (or likely involved) in these riots has been deleted from the article. I've found some reliable sources that can be used to add the information back in.
There are actually a lot more out there, but I assume this is enough to back up that this is not a "myth" or "lies". - Whisperjanes ( talk) 01:02, 10 September 2020 (UTC)