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The result of the debate was move. — Nightst a llion (?) 09:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I think this should be moved back to "Langues d'Oïl". It's the term (even in English) that I have seen more frequently.
A google search reveals 28,700 hits for "Langues d'Oïl", and only about 15k for "Oïl languages". Furthermore, "Oil Languages" is a misspelling.
Anyone oppose? The Jade Knight 01:33, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Man vyi 11:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Let alone words like "naïve" and "fiancé". The Jade Knight 19:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I made the same search for Langues d'Oïl and many of the results were in French so I'm not sure your conclusions are accurate.
It is a shame that people are starting to use diacritics in English because English is one of the few languages that uses the Latin alphabet without diacritics. Yet they are starting to creep in. For example, the American Heritage dictionary now says "Noël" is the preferred variant of Noel. The etymology says it was spelled "Noel" in Middle English. In French it is spelled "Noël." I see little reason to start using diacritics in English other than to impress. However, the term Oil Languages is misleading so I reluctantly concede this point but only when referring to other languages as all your Wikipedia examples do. I think "naive" and "fiance" are fine without the pretension of diacritics. Tim Q. Wells 20:14, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Languages of Oïl → Langues d'Oïl – It is inconsistent with other articles whose titles are about language groups. (copied from the entry on the WP:RM page)
"Language of Oïl"? Is that what is spoken at OPEC?
I have changed the explanation of Francien. Liam D 23:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Why is there nothing about Switzerland here? See Swiss French article. How did French reach the western cantons of Switzerland, and how long has it been there? -- MacRusgail 15:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
It seems there is a differénce between conforming to common term, and Frenchification. Is the titling of this article not more in accord with the latter? - Ste vertigo 21:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Aside from a few quaint street signs, shop names and hobbyists, is there any use of an oïl language other than French spoken at a level that would be unintelligible to the average Frenchman?
I don't ask this to be snarky, I am genuinely interested in whether Gallo, Champagnois, Picard, Burgundian, etc. actually exist in any real usable form--a search in Google for most of these languages yields little more than links to Wikipedia, and other than Walloon, I don't think any figures are given to the number of speakers.
Also, how much does each oïl language diverge French (in comparison, say, to Scots vs. English?)01:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)01:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)01:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)01:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)01:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)01:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC) 64.88.170.32 ( talk)
If this is Langues d'oïl and the other is Langues d'oc, what is Langues de si ? 76.66.193.119 ( talk)
If it states how to say oïl, then I have failed to see it. Varlaam ( talk) 00:06, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
According to the Petit Robert (which is not so petit), it's /dɔjl/ in French, but I don't think anyone says "Oyl languages" in English. "Wee" is probably fine, but might be associated with the more contemporary name, langues d'oui. — kwami ( talk) 19:05, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Why are some articles on oïl varieties located at "XXX language" and others at "XXX dialect". -- JorisvS ( talk) 08:10, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
The green and yellow map suposed to show the distribution of these languages is more or less meaningless without a key. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.231.208 ( talk) 19:56, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
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I added a part that explained that oil refers to an Old French word that became oui and not the nonpolar substance. But it was reverted. So does that mean langues d'oil and langues d'huile actually are synonyms? Does "oil languages" refer to actual oil? If so, how do the languages relate to oil the substance? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.215.124 ( talk) 23:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
The point of the name of this classification is the difference between the forms 'oïl' and 'oc', not the modern French form of the word 'language'. Suggesting the French form is used because it is native to the group is false, because as it stands, it is used with the 'oc' grouping, which is in contradistinction to the French.
We have Māori language, not Te reo Māori. Other languages do not use the native word for language, but the English, even when accents are used.
The only reasons this has survived in English is by its use by French readers, which does not justify shoving it down the throats of English readers, and by the English inferiority complex arising out of the Norman invasion, and by French language chauvinism. The use of French grammar in pluralizing 'langue d' to 'langues d' clearly shows that French is being used in the article where English is policy. See also 'Oil and oc'.
In conclusion, the reasons given for moving this article were false and irrelevant, and its name now is against Wikipedia policy and practice. It should be moved back to Oïl languages or Oïl or Oil languages, whichever is more in line with Wikipedia practices and policy. Please add your replies after this line. 121.127.200.1 ( talk) 04:27, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was move. — Nightst a llion (?) 09:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I think this should be moved back to "Langues d'Oïl". It's the term (even in English) that I have seen more frequently.
A google search reveals 28,700 hits for "Langues d'Oïl", and only about 15k for "Oïl languages". Furthermore, "Oil Languages" is a misspelling.
Anyone oppose? The Jade Knight 01:33, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Man vyi 11:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Let alone words like "naïve" and "fiancé". The Jade Knight 19:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I made the same search for Langues d'Oïl and many of the results were in French so I'm not sure your conclusions are accurate.
It is a shame that people are starting to use diacritics in English because English is one of the few languages that uses the Latin alphabet without diacritics. Yet they are starting to creep in. For example, the American Heritage dictionary now says "Noël" is the preferred variant of Noel. The etymology says it was spelled "Noel" in Middle English. In French it is spelled "Noël." I see little reason to start using diacritics in English other than to impress. However, the term Oil Languages is misleading so I reluctantly concede this point but only when referring to other languages as all your Wikipedia examples do. I think "naive" and "fiance" are fine without the pretension of diacritics. Tim Q. Wells 20:14, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Languages of Oïl → Langues d'Oïl – It is inconsistent with other articles whose titles are about language groups. (copied from the entry on the WP:RM page)
"Language of Oïl"? Is that what is spoken at OPEC?
I have changed the explanation of Francien. Liam D 23:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Why is there nothing about Switzerland here? See Swiss French article. How did French reach the western cantons of Switzerland, and how long has it been there? -- MacRusgail 15:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
It seems there is a differénce between conforming to common term, and Frenchification. Is the titling of this article not more in accord with the latter? - Ste vertigo 21:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Aside from a few quaint street signs, shop names and hobbyists, is there any use of an oïl language other than French spoken at a level that would be unintelligible to the average Frenchman?
I don't ask this to be snarky, I am genuinely interested in whether Gallo, Champagnois, Picard, Burgundian, etc. actually exist in any real usable form--a search in Google for most of these languages yields little more than links to Wikipedia, and other than Walloon, I don't think any figures are given to the number of speakers.
Also, how much does each oïl language diverge French (in comparison, say, to Scots vs. English?)01:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)01:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)01:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)01:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)01:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)01:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC) 64.88.170.32 ( talk)
If this is Langues d'oïl and the other is Langues d'oc, what is Langues de si ? 76.66.193.119 ( talk)
If it states how to say oïl, then I have failed to see it. Varlaam ( talk) 00:06, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
According to the Petit Robert (which is not so petit), it's /dɔjl/ in French, but I don't think anyone says "Oyl languages" in English. "Wee" is probably fine, but might be associated with the more contemporary name, langues d'oui. — kwami ( talk) 19:05, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Why are some articles on oïl varieties located at "XXX language" and others at "XXX dialect". -- JorisvS ( talk) 08:10, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
The green and yellow map suposed to show the distribution of these languages is more or less meaningless without a key. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.231.208 ( talk) 19:56, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
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I added a part that explained that oil refers to an Old French word that became oui and not the nonpolar substance. But it was reverted. So does that mean langues d'oil and langues d'huile actually are synonyms? Does "oil languages" refer to actual oil? If so, how do the languages relate to oil the substance? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.215.124 ( talk) 23:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
The point of the name of this classification is the difference between the forms 'oïl' and 'oc', not the modern French form of the word 'language'. Suggesting the French form is used because it is native to the group is false, because as it stands, it is used with the 'oc' grouping, which is in contradistinction to the French.
We have Māori language, not Te reo Māori. Other languages do not use the native word for language, but the English, even when accents are used.
The only reasons this has survived in English is by its use by French readers, which does not justify shoving it down the throats of English readers, and by the English inferiority complex arising out of the Norman invasion, and by French language chauvinism. The use of French grammar in pluralizing 'langue d' to 'langues d' clearly shows that French is being used in the article where English is policy. See also 'Oil and oc'.
In conclusion, the reasons given for moving this article were false and irrelevant, and its name now is against Wikipedia policy and practice. It should be moved back to Oïl languages or Oïl or Oil languages, whichever is more in line with Wikipedia practices and policy. Please add your replies after this line. 121.127.200.1 ( talk) 04:27, 14 May 2022 (UTC)