This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Languages of Ethiopia article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Do Ethiopian people speak also Italian?
Should the Dullay language group (under East Cushitic languages) be added to the article? Badagnani 08:29, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
i find it most strange that any form of arabic doesn't have any relevant presence at all in the whole country. Mostly considering that a third of its population is reputed to be muslim and seen the fact that it's almost entirely surrounded by political units which grant arabic at least an oficial status. Can anyone provide any reliable information on this subject? antónio-- 91.117.77.73 ( talk) 01:47, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't think comparing Arabic and Latin in this case makes sense, as Latin is extinct but Arabic is not. I understand that obtaining stats about Arabic speakers in Ethiopia is not easy, but I do think Arabic should at least be mentioned. 89.206.227.99 ( talk) 15:27, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Can the editor that suggested French to be a major foreign language of Ethiopia (in the infobox) explain what prompted him/her to do so? I would maintain that French has no standing whatsoever in Ethiopia, certainly less than Arabic, for example. If you want this claim preserved in the article, you will need to provide a source which supports this claim. Whithout such support, I will delete the claim soonish. Landroving Linguist ( talk) 19:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
An editor changed the bar graph about the biggest Ethiopian languages according to information given in the CIA World Fact Book. I laud the intention to add a reliable source to so far unsourced information, and I would certainly affirm that the CIA World Book is normally a reliable source. But it has this egregious error in there about the Opuuo language covering 1.2 % of the Ethiopian population. I have no idea how that 'fact' got in there, as they cite no sources, but with the current population of almost 100 million in Ethiopia this would add up to at least a million speakers for a language that all reliable secondary sources place at 5000 speakers. There is a zero chance that the CIA got this one right against the odds, as I have an Opuuo speaker sitting right next to me this very minute, and he was wildly amused by this information and also placed the speaker number of his language at 5000. What should we do in such a situation? For now I deleted that line, but of course it ruins the total of the percentages. Landroving Linguist ( talk) 07:17, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Languages of Ethiopia. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 12:02, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Languages of Ethiopia. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 22:28, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Over the past few months, several possibly identical editors attempted to establish Italian as a main foreign language in the lead info box of this article. This attempt started out as a good-faith edit, but when it got reverted a couple of times, the respective editor(s) became increasingly disruptive in their editing, also insulting other editors in their edit summaries. Needless to say, such behaviour is not acceptable and will eventually lead to consequences. Before this happens, I first attempt to bring this to a proper discussion here on the talk page.
Now, it is doubtlessly true that Italian has been a foreign language of great importance for Ethiopia, because Italy occupied Ethiopia between 1936 and 1941, and even before that time, because of the close neighborhood and cultural proximity of the Italian colony of Eritrea. The Italian language had a significant influence on Ethiopian languages such as Amharic, which inherited a lot of its technical vocabulary from Italian. But since 1941, the situation has changed significantly, to the point that practically no-one in Ethiopia speaks Italian as a first language, and there is no pressing need for a significant part of the population to learn Italian as a second language. Italian has found its place together with French, German, Arabic or Chinese as a language that some Ethiopians choose to learn as a second language in order to pursue personal goals; it is not longer a main foreign language of Ethiopia, such as English, which serves as the medium of instruction of all secondary and tertiary education, and in which all federal laws are published alongside Amharic. More to the point for Wikipedia, there appears to be no reliable secondary source that supports the claim that Italian is a main foreign language in Ethiopia, and any such claim in this article will have to be supported by such a source. Therefore, no matter how obstinately any editor re-inserts that claim in the info box, it will have to be reverted again and again, because it is not in line with the rules of Wikipedia. If you feel that there is anything more to say to this matter beyond insulting other editors, this talk page is the place to do this. If you really have nothing substantial to add, it will be better to refrain from making these edits, because they will be reverted as soon as you have made them. Landroving Linguist ( talk) 10:57, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Italian's spoken but downy boys keep removing it It'll stay Itspokenmonkey ( talk) 06:23, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Constitution states working language of Federal gov't, which is Amharic and give authority to the regions to decide. And Amharic is not recognised in regions such as Oromia, Tigria, Somali and Afar. So How can we decide it is the national language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maammee ( talk • contribs) 09:39, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
There are two different numbers given for the number of native speakers of Amharic. One is given in the info box over 31,000,000. In the text, there is a place where it is stated as something over 21,000,000. This last number is sourced from the 2007 census. I will wait for somebody to carefully examine the sources and then edit the article. Pete unseth ( talk) 19:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Languages of Ethiopia article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Do Ethiopian people speak also Italian?
Should the Dullay language group (under East Cushitic languages) be added to the article? Badagnani 08:29, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
i find it most strange that any form of arabic doesn't have any relevant presence at all in the whole country. Mostly considering that a third of its population is reputed to be muslim and seen the fact that it's almost entirely surrounded by political units which grant arabic at least an oficial status. Can anyone provide any reliable information on this subject? antónio-- 91.117.77.73 ( talk) 01:47, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't think comparing Arabic and Latin in this case makes sense, as Latin is extinct but Arabic is not. I understand that obtaining stats about Arabic speakers in Ethiopia is not easy, but I do think Arabic should at least be mentioned. 89.206.227.99 ( talk) 15:27, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Can the editor that suggested French to be a major foreign language of Ethiopia (in the infobox) explain what prompted him/her to do so? I would maintain that French has no standing whatsoever in Ethiopia, certainly less than Arabic, for example. If you want this claim preserved in the article, you will need to provide a source which supports this claim. Whithout such support, I will delete the claim soonish. Landroving Linguist ( talk) 19:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
An editor changed the bar graph about the biggest Ethiopian languages according to information given in the CIA World Fact Book. I laud the intention to add a reliable source to so far unsourced information, and I would certainly affirm that the CIA World Book is normally a reliable source. But it has this egregious error in there about the Opuuo language covering 1.2 % of the Ethiopian population. I have no idea how that 'fact' got in there, as they cite no sources, but with the current population of almost 100 million in Ethiopia this would add up to at least a million speakers for a language that all reliable secondary sources place at 5000 speakers. There is a zero chance that the CIA got this one right against the odds, as I have an Opuuo speaker sitting right next to me this very minute, and he was wildly amused by this information and also placed the speaker number of his language at 5000. What should we do in such a situation? For now I deleted that line, but of course it ruins the total of the percentages. Landroving Linguist ( talk) 07:17, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Languages of Ethiopia. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 12:02, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Languages of Ethiopia. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 22:28, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Over the past few months, several possibly identical editors attempted to establish Italian as a main foreign language in the lead info box of this article. This attempt started out as a good-faith edit, but when it got reverted a couple of times, the respective editor(s) became increasingly disruptive in their editing, also insulting other editors in their edit summaries. Needless to say, such behaviour is not acceptable and will eventually lead to consequences. Before this happens, I first attempt to bring this to a proper discussion here on the talk page.
Now, it is doubtlessly true that Italian has been a foreign language of great importance for Ethiopia, because Italy occupied Ethiopia between 1936 and 1941, and even before that time, because of the close neighborhood and cultural proximity of the Italian colony of Eritrea. The Italian language had a significant influence on Ethiopian languages such as Amharic, which inherited a lot of its technical vocabulary from Italian. But since 1941, the situation has changed significantly, to the point that practically no-one in Ethiopia speaks Italian as a first language, and there is no pressing need for a significant part of the population to learn Italian as a second language. Italian has found its place together with French, German, Arabic or Chinese as a language that some Ethiopians choose to learn as a second language in order to pursue personal goals; it is not longer a main foreign language of Ethiopia, such as English, which serves as the medium of instruction of all secondary and tertiary education, and in which all federal laws are published alongside Amharic. More to the point for Wikipedia, there appears to be no reliable secondary source that supports the claim that Italian is a main foreign language in Ethiopia, and any such claim in this article will have to be supported by such a source. Therefore, no matter how obstinately any editor re-inserts that claim in the info box, it will have to be reverted again and again, because it is not in line with the rules of Wikipedia. If you feel that there is anything more to say to this matter beyond insulting other editors, this talk page is the place to do this. If you really have nothing substantial to add, it will be better to refrain from making these edits, because they will be reverted as soon as you have made them. Landroving Linguist ( talk) 10:57, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Italian's spoken but downy boys keep removing it It'll stay Itspokenmonkey ( talk) 06:23, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Constitution states working language of Federal gov't, which is Amharic and give authority to the regions to decide. And Amharic is not recognised in regions such as Oromia, Tigria, Somali and Afar. So How can we decide it is the national language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maammee ( talk • contribs) 09:39, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
There are two different numbers given for the number of native speakers of Amharic. One is given in the info box over 31,000,000. In the text, there is a place where it is stated as something over 21,000,000. This last number is sourced from the 2007 census. I will wait for somebody to carefully examine the sources and then edit the article. Pete unseth ( talk) 19:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)