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Removed from article; see above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teflon Don ( talk • contribs) 19:53, 12 January 2006
According to non-canonical sources, The Bishop Android Series was modeled after a Michael Bishop, an engineer working at Weyland-Yutani.This creates a problem with the most recent Aliens Movie, Aliens Vs. Predator with the appearance of Charles Bishop Weyland, the founder and CEO of Weyland Industries. The most likely reason for the apperance of Weyland in the AVP film, is to give the audience some link to the past movies, and Lance Henriksen was most likely asked by Fox to "reprise" his role.
Though the truth as to the appearance of the "Creator of Bishop" in Alien 3 is quite confusing. Some sources show that "Bishop II" is a human, and supposedly including the writer of the script. David Fincher, the director of the third Alien movie, stated that he wanted to show that the appearance of "Bishop II" was not a Company Trick, and he truly was human. While it is strange that "Bishop II" was alive when he took the blow to the head from Aaron, many contend that "There is more than skin and bone on the side of ones head" so thus it may have fractured the skull but not caused unconciousness or instantaneous death. There is the arguement that The Company was making advanced models with red blood, but this argument looses some credibility when, in Alien: Ressurection, the android Call bleeds white blood. This may be either due to continuity errors, or possibly to use the definite representation of androids in the "ALIEN Universe" as having white blood.
Though the argument swings both ways. The character was listed as "Bishop II" in the credits, thus denoting possible android status. Although there is no name given to him in the dialog of the film, the name is in the Script for the movie. In Alien 3, the character is attacked by Aaron with a wrench, which knocks "Bishop II" down. The scene is dark, but there can be some liquid pooling on the back of his head and a flap of skin peeled away from the skull, yet he is still conscious. Some say that only an androud would've been able to take that type of punishment, and the flap of skin with the ear attached is very similar to the way the Ash series android was constructed from the first Aliens Film.
In Either case, there are conflicting arguments as well as conflicting portions of continuity. But, if we take all films to be canon, and the books to be an "expanded universe" (if you will), then we must assume that "Bishop II" was merely an android from the Bishop Series created especially to give Ripley some sort of link and to get her to trust the company.From what we've seen in previous films, It seems like the exact type of trick The Company would use to engender trust. Though, the truth may never be truly realized.
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 05:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please post here and/or add to the citation using the "|quote=" argument the line from the book that indicates Bishop II/Michael Bishop is human? Is this stated flatly in the text, or is this an inference -- i.e. original research -- by a reader? Given this article's history (i.e. gobs of OR and inferences), if there isn't a quote by 3 Aug, I'll remove the vague sentence. (and in the meantime I'll go see if Amazon or Google Books has a previous of the page.) -- EEMIV ( talk) 20:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
From the paperback version of the Aliens Omnibus (collected edition of the Alien movie novelizations by Alan Dean Foster), page 648: "The pipe landed hard on Bishop II's head. The impact was spongy. The man staggered, twitching, and his troops shot the acting superintendent down. Real blood poured from Bishop II's cracked skull. 'I am... not a... droid,' the bleeding figure mumbled in surprise as it crumpled to the floor." He's clearly human. He's also indicated as human in the film's shooting script, as mentioned earlier. The script EXPLICITLY points out that he has "real blood" and is "very human" after he takes the blow to the head. I'd cite it precisely, but I'm not exactly sure how to do that per Wikipedia's standards, or I'd go re-edit the article to quote it. Xenomrph ( talk) 12:20, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
His first name is provided on the screen when the characters awaken on the Sulaco along with all the other characters' first names, no "ranks" are given. It's a known fact that aside from where otherwise stated (namely, Hicks, Burke, Ripley, Newt, etc) the first names of all the other characters are the first names of the actors that portrayed them. Go take a look at the Hudson article, which similarly cites his first name as "William". It's not just some coincidence. Xenomrph ( talk) 12:15, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
This must be the zaniest merge discussion ever. Only one of the paragraphs even relates to the movie the merge request targets. The merge discussion was started in 2008, and went stale, and died without merger, so the merge tag is definitively old and stale, and should be removed. 184.144.160.156 ( talk) 05:20, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: merge the content per discussion below. Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 05:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC) Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 05:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Bishop (Aliens) →
Bishop in the Alien franchise — This should be renamed because it is not about Bishop in the film Aliens, only two paragraphs are about that character, most of the rest of the page is something else, several different characters that look like Lance Henriksen.
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I have closed the old merge request and started this one. The old discussion can be found here. I agree with Illzilla that the Bishop (Aliens) article has questionable notability. It is also clear that the article is almost entirely an in-universe plot recital. Further, the article discusses three separate characters who have the same name and were played by the same actor. These are the reasons I think the article should be split to the different lists of characters. We would have to change the Bishop (disambiguation) to reflect the fact that there are 3 bishop characters. Cliff ( talk) 21:40, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
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Removed from article; see above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teflon Don ( talk • contribs) 19:53, 12 January 2006
According to non-canonical sources, The Bishop Android Series was modeled after a Michael Bishop, an engineer working at Weyland-Yutani.This creates a problem with the most recent Aliens Movie, Aliens Vs. Predator with the appearance of Charles Bishop Weyland, the founder and CEO of Weyland Industries. The most likely reason for the apperance of Weyland in the AVP film, is to give the audience some link to the past movies, and Lance Henriksen was most likely asked by Fox to "reprise" his role.
Though the truth as to the appearance of the "Creator of Bishop" in Alien 3 is quite confusing. Some sources show that "Bishop II" is a human, and supposedly including the writer of the script. David Fincher, the director of the third Alien movie, stated that he wanted to show that the appearance of "Bishop II" was not a Company Trick, and he truly was human. While it is strange that "Bishop II" was alive when he took the blow to the head from Aaron, many contend that "There is more than skin and bone on the side of ones head" so thus it may have fractured the skull but not caused unconciousness or instantaneous death. There is the arguement that The Company was making advanced models with red blood, but this argument looses some credibility when, in Alien: Ressurection, the android Call bleeds white blood. This may be either due to continuity errors, or possibly to use the definite representation of androids in the "ALIEN Universe" as having white blood.
Though the argument swings both ways. The character was listed as "Bishop II" in the credits, thus denoting possible android status. Although there is no name given to him in the dialog of the film, the name is in the Script for the movie. In Alien 3, the character is attacked by Aaron with a wrench, which knocks "Bishop II" down. The scene is dark, but there can be some liquid pooling on the back of his head and a flap of skin peeled away from the skull, yet he is still conscious. Some say that only an androud would've been able to take that type of punishment, and the flap of skin with the ear attached is very similar to the way the Ash series android was constructed from the first Aliens Film.
In Either case, there are conflicting arguments as well as conflicting portions of continuity. But, if we take all films to be canon, and the books to be an "expanded universe" (if you will), then we must assume that "Bishop II" was merely an android from the Bishop Series created especially to give Ripley some sort of link and to get her to trust the company.From what we've seen in previous films, It seems like the exact type of trick The Company would use to engender trust. Though, the truth may never be truly realized.
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 05:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please post here and/or add to the citation using the "|quote=" argument the line from the book that indicates Bishop II/Michael Bishop is human? Is this stated flatly in the text, or is this an inference -- i.e. original research -- by a reader? Given this article's history (i.e. gobs of OR and inferences), if there isn't a quote by 3 Aug, I'll remove the vague sentence. (and in the meantime I'll go see if Amazon or Google Books has a previous of the page.) -- EEMIV ( talk) 20:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
From the paperback version of the Aliens Omnibus (collected edition of the Alien movie novelizations by Alan Dean Foster), page 648: "The pipe landed hard on Bishop II's head. The impact was spongy. The man staggered, twitching, and his troops shot the acting superintendent down. Real blood poured from Bishop II's cracked skull. 'I am... not a... droid,' the bleeding figure mumbled in surprise as it crumpled to the floor." He's clearly human. He's also indicated as human in the film's shooting script, as mentioned earlier. The script EXPLICITLY points out that he has "real blood" and is "very human" after he takes the blow to the head. I'd cite it precisely, but I'm not exactly sure how to do that per Wikipedia's standards, or I'd go re-edit the article to quote it. Xenomrph ( talk) 12:20, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
His first name is provided on the screen when the characters awaken on the Sulaco along with all the other characters' first names, no "ranks" are given. It's a known fact that aside from where otherwise stated (namely, Hicks, Burke, Ripley, Newt, etc) the first names of all the other characters are the first names of the actors that portrayed them. Go take a look at the Hudson article, which similarly cites his first name as "William". It's not just some coincidence. Xenomrph ( talk) 12:15, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
This must be the zaniest merge discussion ever. Only one of the paragraphs even relates to the movie the merge request targets. The merge discussion was started in 2008, and went stale, and died without merger, so the merge tag is definitively old and stale, and should be removed. 184.144.160.156 ( talk) 05:20, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: merge the content per discussion below. Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 05:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC) Graeme Bartlett ( talk) 05:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Bishop (Aliens) →
Bishop in the Alien franchise — This should be renamed because it is not about Bishop in the film Aliens, only two paragraphs are about that character, most of the rest of the page is something else, several different characters that look like Lance Henriksen.
184.144.160.156 (
talk)
05:28, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
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Wikipedia's policy on article titles.The characters described on this page are part of articles List of Alien vs. Predator characters and List of Alien characters . 184.144.160.156 ( talk) 05:29, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
I have closed the old merge request and started this one. The old discussion can be found here. I agree with Illzilla that the Bishop (Aliens) article has questionable notability. It is also clear that the article is almost entirely an in-universe plot recital. Further, the article discusses three separate characters who have the same name and were played by the same actor. These are the reasons I think the article should be split to the different lists of characters. We would have to change the Bishop (disambiguation) to reflect the fact that there are 3 bishop characters. Cliff ( talk) 21:40, 19 March 2011 (UTC)