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What, please, is the reason for using the easily misunderstood aliens in place of the far clearer foreign prisoners in the lead of the article? The purpose of an encyclopaedia is to inform, not to confuse with language which, although technically not incorrect, is prone to misunderstanding, sometimes for "comic" effect. Kevin McE ( talk) 16:16, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Please, next time anyone is uncertain about military terminology or terminology relating to the World Wars, go and ask around at places like the Military History WikiProject or the Reference Desk. Or even simpler, look for the article we had on the topic. Did no-one even think to look that up? Rather than trying to be quirky, link readers to our article on the subject. Tsk. Carcharoth ( talk) 23:41, 13 September 2011 (UTC) To be fair, I managed to miss for a long time while reading around this, that we had the article enemy alien, as I was looking for an article on WWI internment instead."enemy alien" is a term that was commonly used in World War I and World War II relating to internment of foreign nationals living and working in the UK or the imperial dominions. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. It would be nice to link to an article on that, but there isn't one yet. Have a look at this and this if you want to know more about this. Direct quotes from those sources:
"The Isle of Man was used by the British Government for the internment of enemy aliens during both World War One and World War Two" [...] "After Great Britain entered the First World War in August 1914, the government of Canada issued an Order in Council under the War Measures Act. It required the registration and in certain cases the internment of aliens of "enemy nationality". This included the more than 80,000 Canadians who were formerly citizens of the Austrian-Hungarian empire. These individuals had to register as "enemy aliens" and report to local authorities on a regular basis."
In other words, the term 'enemy alien' is an encyclopedic term and is being used absolutely correctly here. The hook should have used the original wording.
The Weston Clevedon and Portishead Railway (WCPR):
This was a little known short railway linking 3 towns in North Somerset around the 1900's, and which closed in 1940, obtained some short clerestory open veranda coaches from the LC&WW. Basically an American outline coach similar to the prolific type found in American and subsequently imported to the UK and many (then) commonwealth countries.
The WCPR web site reports the LC&WW was due to make open veranda short clerestory coaches for the Argentine Railway, but the vehicles were bought in 1897 "new by the WC&PR when the order fell through. Just like those in a Western cowboy film, they had end platforms with ornate ironwork, clerestory roofs, centre corridors, and passenger steps. Seating was mostly longitudinal. The body was made from mahogany originally painted dark crimson, later dark brown. The last three to survive, Nos 1, 2 and 4 were later painted dark green. They had two four-wheel bogies. Christopher Redwood’s book ‘The Weston, Clevedon and Portishead Railway’ has scale drawings of carriage No 2 for modelling."
Pictures are available: WCPR Home page and Rare photo of 2 of the carriages
See also : Wikepedia CK&PR main reference
A fact from Lancaster Carriage and Wagon Works appeared on Wikipedia's
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What, please, is the reason for using the easily misunderstood aliens in place of the far clearer foreign prisoners in the lead of the article? The purpose of an encyclopaedia is to inform, not to confuse with language which, although technically not incorrect, is prone to misunderstanding, sometimes for "comic" effect. Kevin McE ( talk) 16:16, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Please, next time anyone is uncertain about military terminology or terminology relating to the World Wars, go and ask around at places like the Military History WikiProject or the Reference Desk. Or even simpler, look for the article we had on the topic. Did no-one even think to look that up? Rather than trying to be quirky, link readers to our article on the subject. Tsk. Carcharoth ( talk) 23:41, 13 September 2011 (UTC) To be fair, I managed to miss for a long time while reading around this, that we had the article enemy alien, as I was looking for an article on WWI internment instead."enemy alien" is a term that was commonly used in World War I and World War II relating to internment of foreign nationals living and working in the UK or the imperial dominions. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. It would be nice to link to an article on that, but there isn't one yet. Have a look at this and this if you want to know more about this. Direct quotes from those sources:
"The Isle of Man was used by the British Government for the internment of enemy aliens during both World War One and World War Two" [...] "After Great Britain entered the First World War in August 1914, the government of Canada issued an Order in Council under the War Measures Act. It required the registration and in certain cases the internment of aliens of "enemy nationality". This included the more than 80,000 Canadians who were formerly citizens of the Austrian-Hungarian empire. These individuals had to register as "enemy aliens" and report to local authorities on a regular basis."
In other words, the term 'enemy alien' is an encyclopedic term and is being used absolutely correctly here. The hook should have used the original wording.
The Weston Clevedon and Portishead Railway (WCPR):
This was a little known short railway linking 3 towns in North Somerset around the 1900's, and which closed in 1940, obtained some short clerestory open veranda coaches from the LC&WW. Basically an American outline coach similar to the prolific type found in American and subsequently imported to the UK and many (then) commonwealth countries.
The WCPR web site reports the LC&WW was due to make open veranda short clerestory coaches for the Argentine Railway, but the vehicles were bought in 1897 "new by the WC&PR when the order fell through. Just like those in a Western cowboy film, they had end platforms with ornate ironwork, clerestory roofs, centre corridors, and passenger steps. Seating was mostly longitudinal. The body was made from mahogany originally painted dark crimson, later dark brown. The last three to survive, Nos 1, 2 and 4 were later painted dark green. They had two four-wheel bogies. Christopher Redwood’s book ‘The Weston, Clevedon and Portishead Railway’ has scale drawings of carriage No 2 for modelling."
Pictures are available: WCPR Home page and Rare photo of 2 of the carriages
See also : Wikepedia CK&PR main reference