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Section uses weasel words like "largely proven", links to book reviews saying "maybe" and even makes claims that soap made from human corpses was debunked and a myth by linking to a sourced wikipedia page CLAIMING EXACTLY OPPOSITE - that it was proven in 2006.-- 109.163.142.184 ( talk) 22:23, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
I deleted a sentence that was a clear misrepresentation of its source. I think this article is completely biased and misrepresents the information available. I would argue there is a lot of independent research rather than relying on sources.-- Bobjohnson111980 ( talk) 23:02, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
The 'human skin lampshades' or 'fake human skin lampshades' would be primary evidence of either murder or of the crime of 'falsely accusing someone of a crime'. Destruction of the 'human skin lampshades' would also be a crime, that of destroying evidence. Where are these lampshades now?
If the lampshades are cow skin, or other form of parchment, Hitler would have been annoyed. He was well known to abhor animal suffering and one of the first legislation introduced by the NSDAP was introduction of laws against cruelty to animals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.129.97.41 ( talk) 23:41, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
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I've found this story about the emergence of a third lampshade:
Historynet.com seems to be a history aggregator, and Mark Jacobson does seem to be a journalist of some note - having worked for several major and well respected publications. In the article above he claims to have had the lampshade tested twice and both times had it confirmed as human skin, and he is of the mind that it's a product of the Nazis.
Should there be a third section for this lampshade? -- Jobrot ( talk) 15:54, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
"In footage taken by American military photographers tasked by then-General Dwight Eisenhower to record what they saw as the army advanced into Germany in 1945, a large lampshade and many other ornaments made of human skin can be seen alongside shrunken heads of camp prisoners in Buchenwald, all of which being displayed for German townspeople who were made to tour the camp."
Looking into the video, thelampshade is shown at 40:41 while the narrator states: "On a table for all to gaze upon is a lampshade made of human skin, made at the request of an S.S Officer's wife", which I'd assume is Ilse Koch; scene matches the same display shown on the article's main picture too.
As it is right now, I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of this sentence (and source) is here. It does not expand further on the rest of the section, only thing it really adds that hasn't been stated yet is that the american military displayed the lampshade to civilians; further, the whole thing reads as if it were a separate incident, by virtue of being somewhat disconnected from the rest of the section.
That's half of it though, the other half is stating the footage's existence, context and authors... backed by the video itself as source. Personally, it doesn't sit well with me, feels like original research but not really?
Anyways, I'd suggest we cut the "footage taken by american's" half and move the rest to the section's intro, using the video as source of the "presenting the lampshade to civilians" incident and tying this into the Ilse Koch explanation and related sources - or at least seeking some other way to better integrate this sentence into the rest of the section, rather than leave it a seemingly poorly thought out addition.
Of course, I did assume it was Ilse Koch. If it isn't, and it's a wholly separate incident being presented, we should seek a way to explicitly point this out - and hopefully expand upon said incident with additional information.
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This word is found in zero Google Books results. Perhaps a normal/standard alternative wording can be found? Equinox ◑ 08:46, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
A famous German forensic expert recently wrote a report about one of the Buchenwald lampshades - he confirmed it's human skin: https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/regional/thueringen/mdr-gutachten-lampenschirm-doch-aus-menschenhaut-gefertigt-100.html 2A02:2455:81ED:5F00:7D06:5F08:F6:FF13 ( talk) 15:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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Section uses weasel words like "largely proven", links to book reviews saying "maybe" and even makes claims that soap made from human corpses was debunked and a myth by linking to a sourced wikipedia page CLAIMING EXACTLY OPPOSITE - that it was proven in 2006.-- 109.163.142.184 ( talk) 22:23, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
I deleted a sentence that was a clear misrepresentation of its source. I think this article is completely biased and misrepresents the information available. I would argue there is a lot of independent research rather than relying on sources.-- Bobjohnson111980 ( talk) 23:02, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
The 'human skin lampshades' or 'fake human skin lampshades' would be primary evidence of either murder or of the crime of 'falsely accusing someone of a crime'. Destruction of the 'human skin lampshades' would also be a crime, that of destroying evidence. Where are these lampshades now?
If the lampshades are cow skin, or other form of parchment, Hitler would have been annoyed. He was well known to abhor animal suffering and one of the first legislation introduced by the NSDAP was introduction of laws against cruelty to animals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.129.97.41 ( talk) 23:41, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
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I've found this story about the emergence of a third lampshade:
Historynet.com seems to be a history aggregator, and Mark Jacobson does seem to be a journalist of some note - having worked for several major and well respected publications. In the article above he claims to have had the lampshade tested twice and both times had it confirmed as human skin, and he is of the mind that it's a product of the Nazis.
Should there be a third section for this lampshade? -- Jobrot ( talk) 15:54, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
"In footage taken by American military photographers tasked by then-General Dwight Eisenhower to record what they saw as the army advanced into Germany in 1945, a large lampshade and many other ornaments made of human skin can be seen alongside shrunken heads of camp prisoners in Buchenwald, all of which being displayed for German townspeople who were made to tour the camp."
Looking into the video, thelampshade is shown at 40:41 while the narrator states: "On a table for all to gaze upon is a lampshade made of human skin, made at the request of an S.S Officer's wife", which I'd assume is Ilse Koch; scene matches the same display shown on the article's main picture too.
As it is right now, I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of this sentence (and source) is here. It does not expand further on the rest of the section, only thing it really adds that hasn't been stated yet is that the american military displayed the lampshade to civilians; further, the whole thing reads as if it were a separate incident, by virtue of being somewhat disconnected from the rest of the section.
That's half of it though, the other half is stating the footage's existence, context and authors... backed by the video itself as source. Personally, it doesn't sit well with me, feels like original research but not really?
Anyways, I'd suggest we cut the "footage taken by american's" half and move the rest to the section's intro, using the video as source of the "presenting the lampshade to civilians" incident and tying this into the Ilse Koch explanation and related sources - or at least seeking some other way to better integrate this sentence into the rest of the section, rather than leave it a seemingly poorly thought out addition.
Of course, I did assume it was Ilse Koch. If it isn't, and it's a wholly separate incident being presented, we should seek a way to explicitly point this out - and hopefully expand upon said incident with additional information.
185.163.103.83 (
talk) 08:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
This word is found in zero Google Books results. Perhaps a normal/standard alternative wording can be found? Equinox ◑ 08:46, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
A famous German forensic expert recently wrote a report about one of the Buchenwald lampshades - he confirmed it's human skin: https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/regional/thueringen/mdr-gutachten-lampenschirm-doch-aus-menschenhaut-gefertigt-100.html 2A02:2455:81ED:5F00:7D06:5F08:F6:FF13 ( talk) 15:40, 1 April 2024 (UTC)