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I have removed the following sentence, "Lamellar was an armour that, when made out of materials such as leather, facilitated high mobility for a comparably high level of protection." The sentence does not make a whole lot of sense and the assertion of mobility is contradicted by many comments I've seen from re-enactors. I've seen multiple interpretations that are quite rigid when complete. Mercutio.Wilder 03:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
What of Japanese 'loose lacing' lamellar? Theblindsage ( talk) 03:13, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Hey there, if one of you has the time and motivation to work some additional information from a very interesting text into this article, check out the following link. The man who wrote it is an absolute expert and has already published quite a bit of his work. (Don't worry, I'm not him pretending to be an unknown admirer!) It's a very unusual-looking form of lamellar that he describes, but it does seem to make sense. Check out the link below, and follow the text link if you want to know more. Trigaranus 18:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC) [1]
What does Sparta have to do with lamellar? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.21.59 ( talk) 18:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
When I read "Mormons" my first thought was: "But their magical underwear isn't lamellar at all...!". Could we please not treat the Book of Mormon as a source for historical events in this encyclopedia, please? Thanks, Trigaranus ( talk) 07:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Can we please stop comparing lamellar armor to scale armor, or saying it evolved from, or into scale armor? Yes, both are composed of little platelets of metal, horn, or leather. But they are fundamentally different in that scale armor attaches to a backing (chainmail or leather) while lamellar is attached only to itself. Theblindsage ( talk) 02:47, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
I've removed this image because:
- the reconstruction is all wrong, and is most likely a 'fantasy' interpretation; - moreover, it does not make sense at all to make a lamellar armour if you have sheets of leather, because:
a) it would be vastly inferior to leather laminar armour in terms of protection; b) laminar armour would be much easier to make, as you do not have to cut leather into small pieces.
Iron lamellar amour makes sense if you have limited access to iron and / or limited production capabilities, being able only to make very small plates. That was the case with Eurasian nomads, who are most likely to invent this type of armour. However, leather comes in large sheets, and was plentyful. So, there was no sense in cutting it into small lamellae and then anyway lacing them one to another, forming horisontal strips. Cutting leather directly into wide strips and assembling a laminar armour from them would have been much easier and faster, also such armour would be much more protecting than a leather lamellar. The Japanese made leather lamellars, indeed, but this is a very special case, and also each leather kozane was covered with a very very thick layer of laquer, which was a crucial part of its strength and is evidently absent on the reconstruction shown on the picture I've deleted.
- it has problems with licensing ("missing source information") and is a candidate for deletion;
Also, the armour shown is likely not a cuirass, as a cuirass usually means rigid body protection.
So, I've added a picture of a more conventional laminar armour instead.
37.112.88.144 ( talk) 10:55, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
98.173.238.224 ( talk) 05:40, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
98.173.238.224 ( talk) 05:36, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Does it actually exist, or are we repeating our Victorian forebears mistake with 'mail', by grouping all the armor made of bands of anything as 'laminar'? Theblindsage ( talk) 22:39, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Without thorough citation, this section should be removed. Other than a few lames found at Birka, in a site that appears to have been specifically used by non-Viking steppe peoples residing in or visiting Birka, there is no evidence of use of lamellar by vikings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.123.192.248 ( talk) 02:49, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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I have removed the following sentence, "Lamellar was an armour that, when made out of materials such as leather, facilitated high mobility for a comparably high level of protection." The sentence does not make a whole lot of sense and the assertion of mobility is contradicted by many comments I've seen from re-enactors. I've seen multiple interpretations that are quite rigid when complete. Mercutio.Wilder 03:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
What of Japanese 'loose lacing' lamellar? Theblindsage ( talk) 03:13, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Hey there, if one of you has the time and motivation to work some additional information from a very interesting text into this article, check out the following link. The man who wrote it is an absolute expert and has already published quite a bit of his work. (Don't worry, I'm not him pretending to be an unknown admirer!) It's a very unusual-looking form of lamellar that he describes, but it does seem to make sense. Check out the link below, and follow the text link if you want to know more. Trigaranus 18:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC) [1]
What does Sparta have to do with lamellar? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.21.59 ( talk) 18:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
When I read "Mormons" my first thought was: "But their magical underwear isn't lamellar at all...!". Could we please not treat the Book of Mormon as a source for historical events in this encyclopedia, please? Thanks, Trigaranus ( talk) 07:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Can we please stop comparing lamellar armor to scale armor, or saying it evolved from, or into scale armor? Yes, both are composed of little platelets of metal, horn, or leather. But they are fundamentally different in that scale armor attaches to a backing (chainmail or leather) while lamellar is attached only to itself. Theblindsage ( talk) 02:47, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
I've removed this image because:
- the reconstruction is all wrong, and is most likely a 'fantasy' interpretation; - moreover, it does not make sense at all to make a lamellar armour if you have sheets of leather, because:
a) it would be vastly inferior to leather laminar armour in terms of protection; b) laminar armour would be much easier to make, as you do not have to cut leather into small pieces.
Iron lamellar amour makes sense if you have limited access to iron and / or limited production capabilities, being able only to make very small plates. That was the case with Eurasian nomads, who are most likely to invent this type of armour. However, leather comes in large sheets, and was plentyful. So, there was no sense in cutting it into small lamellae and then anyway lacing them one to another, forming horisontal strips. Cutting leather directly into wide strips and assembling a laminar armour from them would have been much easier and faster, also such armour would be much more protecting than a leather lamellar. The Japanese made leather lamellars, indeed, but this is a very special case, and also each leather kozane was covered with a very very thick layer of laquer, which was a crucial part of its strength and is evidently absent on the reconstruction shown on the picture I've deleted.
- it has problems with licensing ("missing source information") and is a candidate for deletion;
Also, the armour shown is likely not a cuirass, as a cuirass usually means rigid body protection.
So, I've added a picture of a more conventional laminar armour instead.
37.112.88.144 ( talk) 10:55, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
98.173.238.224 ( talk) 05:40, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
98.173.238.224 ( talk) 05:36, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Does it actually exist, or are we repeating our Victorian forebears mistake with 'mail', by grouping all the armor made of bands of anything as 'laminar'? Theblindsage ( talk) 22:39, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Without thorough citation, this section should be removed. Other than a few lames found at Birka, in a site that appears to have been specifically used by non-Viking steppe peoples residing in or visiting Birka, there is no evidence of use of lamellar by vikings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.123.192.248 ( talk) 02:49, 11 July 2022 (UTC)