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That just doesn't make sense at all. Does someone have an idea of how to fix it, so that it is not on the face of it gigantically self-contradictory logically? -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. ( talk) 07:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Why on earth the redirect page? Surely this article should be under Lalibela?-- Barend ( talk) 09:47, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
The decimal-degrees lat/long co-ords in "GeoHack - Lalibela" are incorrect.
They should be: 12.031629186989777, 39.04116690158844
I don't know how to change them.
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>"The saintly king was named so, because a swarm of bees is said to have surrounded him at his birth, which his mother took as a sign of his future reign as Emperor of Ethiopia."
What do the bees have to do with his name? Rissa, Guild of Copy Editors ( talk) 07:24, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
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@ Replayerr @ Yubudirsi Your edits are in violation of WP:NPOV and WP:NOR. For example in this edit [1] someone added the claim that many Egyptian workmen migrated to Ethiopia and assisted in the construction of the churches, but if you actually read the source the author largely considers their influence on the architecture to be minor as the churches have much more stronger Aksumite influence. One of you guys also wrote that "Recent examination from archeologists conclude that the churches strongly contain a Syrian and to a certain extent Coptic influence" however the source says it was a melange of Syriac influence on only one church, but it also found that most of the churches had a stronger Aksumite influence. Why did you choose to omit this? Egyptian influence was largely restricted to decorations, one of you claimed that Beatrice Playne believed that the churches show "direct signs of Coptic architectural influence", this is incorrect, he only found that the decorations of two churches, the paintings of Ghennta Maryam and the relief sculptures of Golgotha had Coptic influence. [2] Then someone added a source writing that the "churches possess the general air of ancient Egyptian Temples" What does this even mean? Why did you even add this? All of this amounts to WP:SYNTH and is completely unacceptable on Wikipedia. Your overusage of primary sources is also problematic, although there is nothing wrong with adding the accounts of some foreign travelers, they have to be used in conjunction with a reliable secondary source, especially when dealing with conflicting/controversial claims. The source (Stuart Munro-Hay) added alongside these primary source said that foreign influence was marginal and directed towards "decorative elements". Furthermore a lot of these accounts are not reliable and shouldn't be trusted, for example James Bruce claims that Aksum was the work of Ptolemy III Euergetes, which is obviously preposterous. And btw pls don't play dumb or act innocent because Replayerr added this file for on Nur ibn Mujahid [3], which reserve image search reveals to have come from the account @EthioSeeker, and it just so happened that this Twitter account made a thread about Egyptians building Lalibela, and every single source used in that thread ended up on this article. So I know that's your account and they are POV-pushing issues behind all this, if you want I can contact an administrator to sort this nonsense out. This article should be primarily based on secondary sources, e.g. archeological research. New archeological excavations has revealed that the churches were built over the course of several centuries, there was no sudden burst of building but rather the structures evolved over the many centuries. New research shows that from 600-1000 AD Lalibela was a large religiously diverse city that even had a large wall/ruins around (which was later demolished), it was transformed into a religious center in the 12th to 13th centuries. Socialwave597 ( talk) 05:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
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From the text:
That just doesn't make sense at all. Does someone have an idea of how to fix it, so that it is not on the face of it gigantically self-contradictory logically? -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. ( talk) 07:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Why on earth the redirect page? Surely this article should be under Lalibela?-- Barend ( talk) 09:47, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
The decimal-degrees lat/long co-ords in "GeoHack - Lalibela" are incorrect.
They should be: 12.031629186989777, 39.04116690158844
I don't know how to change them.
--
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01:47, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
>"The saintly king was named so, because a swarm of bees is said to have surrounded him at his birth, which his mother took as a sign of his future reign as Emperor of Ethiopia."
What do the bees have to do with his name? Rissa, Guild of Copy Editors ( talk) 07:24, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
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@ Replayerr @ Yubudirsi Your edits are in violation of WP:NPOV and WP:NOR. For example in this edit [1] someone added the claim that many Egyptian workmen migrated to Ethiopia and assisted in the construction of the churches, but if you actually read the source the author largely considers their influence on the architecture to be minor as the churches have much more stronger Aksumite influence. One of you guys also wrote that "Recent examination from archeologists conclude that the churches strongly contain a Syrian and to a certain extent Coptic influence" however the source says it was a melange of Syriac influence on only one church, but it also found that most of the churches had a stronger Aksumite influence. Why did you choose to omit this? Egyptian influence was largely restricted to decorations, one of you claimed that Beatrice Playne believed that the churches show "direct signs of Coptic architectural influence", this is incorrect, he only found that the decorations of two churches, the paintings of Ghennta Maryam and the relief sculptures of Golgotha had Coptic influence. [2] Then someone added a source writing that the "churches possess the general air of ancient Egyptian Temples" What does this even mean? Why did you even add this? All of this amounts to WP:SYNTH and is completely unacceptable on Wikipedia. Your overusage of primary sources is also problematic, although there is nothing wrong with adding the accounts of some foreign travelers, they have to be used in conjunction with a reliable secondary source, especially when dealing with conflicting/controversial claims. The source (Stuart Munro-Hay) added alongside these primary source said that foreign influence was marginal and directed towards "decorative elements". Furthermore a lot of these accounts are not reliable and shouldn't be trusted, for example James Bruce claims that Aksum was the work of Ptolemy III Euergetes, which is obviously preposterous. And btw pls don't play dumb or act innocent because Replayerr added this file for on Nur ibn Mujahid [3], which reserve image search reveals to have come from the account @EthioSeeker, and it just so happened that this Twitter account made a thread about Egyptians building Lalibela, and every single source used in that thread ended up on this article. So I know that's your account and they are POV-pushing issues behind all this, if you want I can contact an administrator to sort this nonsense out. This article should be primarily based on secondary sources, e.g. archeological research. New archeological excavations has revealed that the churches were built over the course of several centuries, there was no sudden burst of building but rather the structures evolved over the many centuries. New research shows that from 600-1000 AD Lalibela was a large religiously diverse city that even had a large wall/ruins around (which was later demolished), it was transformed into a religious center in the 12th to 13th centuries. Socialwave597 ( talk) 05:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)