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He is often entitled पंजाब केसरी, but most people do not know its meaning ! In fact, most text-book authors have wongly translated it as "lion" etc, which is wrong. The hindi term केसरी is a corruption of the Latin name Caesar - the cognomen of the Roman dictator Caius Julius Cæsar, transferred as a title to the emperors from Augustus down to Hadrian (b.c. 30 to a.d. 138), and subsequently used as a title of the heir-presumptive of the emperor. In modern use often applied to all the emperors down to the fall of Constantinople. The term later travelled to Byzantine emperors as "Caesar" in Persian Qaisar-e-Rum केसर-ए-रूम ( रूम is corruption of Rome ).And, ultimately, in hindustani the term in its broadest sense came to mean as conqurer Jon Ascton (talk) 09:16, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
This is a very one sided article and not very informative about Lala Lajpat Rai's career. What is missing is his role in the Arya Samaj, his advocacy of Hindi over Punjabi (ironic because of his own inabilty to read and write Hindi !), and his advocacy for a two nation state (much earlier than Mohammad Iqbal). True, he sacrificed a lot for the independence movement, but his (and the Arya Samaj's) call for Punjabi Hindus to declare Hindi (over Punjabi) as their mother tongue starting with the 1891 census set in motion a rift between the Hindu and Sikh communities which has not healed to this day. Arguably, Lajpat Rai and his Arya Samaji cohorts are the ones most responsible for this rift and the alienation of substantial number of urban Punjabi Hindus from Punjabi and their concomitant deracination. This has been completely glossed over in this article.
5/1/2007 - This article has a distinct POV as noted by the interactor above. Long time ago, there was some material in this article re. Lajpat Rai's advocacy of Hindi as the mother tongue for Punjabi Hindus, for census purposes. That seems to have been removed. The material here glosses over the long term harm done by Lajpat Rai's support of Hindi, to communal relations between the Hindus and Sikhs in the Punjab. Would somebody more knowledgeable than me add material on this gentleman's advocacy of Hindi and general communal outlook. Thanks
Some reference is surely due to the slogan comprising the famous trio (Lal - Lala Lajpat Rai of Punjab, Bal - Bal Gangadhar Tilak of Maharashtra and Pal - Bepin Chandra Pal of Bengal) who, much before the arrival of Gandhiji on the scene, championed the shift of Congress policies and pronouncements from those of a mendicant to legitimate demands of a proud people? Apart from Sri Aurobindo, these three were the earliest leaders to take on the moderates led by Gokhle, Bannerjee and Mehta - who dominated Congress till then, and faced with a popular challenge mounted against their authority from the Nationalists, tried to run them down with the appellation "extremists" - and propagate the Nationalist philosophy as a self-respecting alternative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.194.206.117 ( talk) 06:03, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Although the parents were Agrawals, article sites that Lala Lajpat Rai was born in a Jain family. Is it correct? The citation (2) looks broken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.140.133.214 ( talk) 17:15, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Yes he was born in jain family Animesh samaiya1 ( talk) 08:58, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
User:Tinpisa calls [4] a "press release" (and thus not a reliable source). While is on the face of it true (it is indeed a press release), it's a press release from the Government of India, not some random company. Meanwhile, the cited source is also a governmental body (state, rather than national). If the National Government is not reliable, then the Orissa government cannot be reliable either.
Here are some Google Books search results for Lala Lajpat Rai "martyrs day" (most of these results are only available in "Snippet View" on the search results page):
Some Google web search results:
So my research indicates there are number of days named "Martyrs' Day", the most common ones are January 30 and March 23. In fact, the only one I found that says December 16 for sure is the Orissa government.
I don't even know why I'm spending so much time on this. I'm not Indian and I don't particularly care what day it is. My only goal was trying to add it to the right day for Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries, but apparently you've put a bee in my bonnet. howcheng { chat} 21:25, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Which is the correct location of Lalaji's bith? -- Mrutyunjaya Kar ( talk) 07:46, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
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Someone has been editing his early life section and writing him Jain. But he was from a Punjabi/Hindu/Baniya(Aggarwal) family. I come from his city Jagraon and I have been in touch with his descendants(The trusty of the RK Trust). I have verified the information regarding his family's religious background.
Lala Laj Rai was part of the INC ( https://inc.in/congress-sandesh/tribute/lala-lajpat-rai-28th-january-1865-17th-november-1928-1), So you can also check out the information on their official website here.
The whole misconception is due to only one wrong article from the Hindustan times and we are working to iron it out as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arjungoyal21 ( talk • contribs) 00:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Arjungoyal21 ( talk) 07:16, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Read page number 251 "I do not know how far the charge of unmanliness can be made good against the Jains. I hold no brief for them. By birth, I am a
Vaishnavite (Sect in Hinduism), and was taught ahimsa in my childhood. I have derived much religious benefit from Jain religious works, as I have from scriptures of the other great faiths of the world. I owe much to the living company of the deceased philosopher Raja Chand Kavi4 who was a Jain by birth" He clearly states his family background and he is saying how inspired is he by the concept of Ahinsa and how it is an important part of Jainism.
Next read thing properly the Jain reference is like his grandfather was so ahinsavadi in that reference, he said that I am born in Jain family.
Read both paragraphs and you will understand that he is correctly contradicting himself. He can't be Vaishnavite and jain at same time.
Last, all the govt documents clearly state his family background being (Aggarwal Baniya/ Punjabi Hindu). [2] Arjungoyal21 ( talk) 08:02, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
3O Response: "I have been in touch with his descendants [ sic]" is not a reliable source suitable for use on Wikipedia. What matters is what is confirmed by reliable and independent published sources. That said, it seems there may be enough confusion over the matter here that religion should be omitted entirely (the preferable solution unless reliable sources explicitly indicate that the individual's religion had some substantial impact), or at the very least contextualized as ambiguous rather than put as some single value. Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:41, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
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I want this topic 2405:201:E049:1006:45E:DE4F:2197:17C3 ( talk) 15:39, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
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He is often entitled पंजाब केसरी, but most people do not know its meaning ! In fact, most text-book authors have wongly translated it as "lion" etc, which is wrong. The hindi term केसरी is a corruption of the Latin name Caesar - the cognomen of the Roman dictator Caius Julius Cæsar, transferred as a title to the emperors from Augustus down to Hadrian (b.c. 30 to a.d. 138), and subsequently used as a title of the heir-presumptive of the emperor. In modern use often applied to all the emperors down to the fall of Constantinople. The term later travelled to Byzantine emperors as "Caesar" in Persian Qaisar-e-Rum केसर-ए-रूम ( रूम is corruption of Rome ).And, ultimately, in hindustani the term in its broadest sense came to mean as conqurer Jon Ascton (talk) 09:16, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
This is a very one sided article and not very informative about Lala Lajpat Rai's career. What is missing is his role in the Arya Samaj, his advocacy of Hindi over Punjabi (ironic because of his own inabilty to read and write Hindi !), and his advocacy for a two nation state (much earlier than Mohammad Iqbal). True, he sacrificed a lot for the independence movement, but his (and the Arya Samaj's) call for Punjabi Hindus to declare Hindi (over Punjabi) as their mother tongue starting with the 1891 census set in motion a rift between the Hindu and Sikh communities which has not healed to this day. Arguably, Lajpat Rai and his Arya Samaji cohorts are the ones most responsible for this rift and the alienation of substantial number of urban Punjabi Hindus from Punjabi and their concomitant deracination. This has been completely glossed over in this article.
5/1/2007 - This article has a distinct POV as noted by the interactor above. Long time ago, there was some material in this article re. Lajpat Rai's advocacy of Hindi as the mother tongue for Punjabi Hindus, for census purposes. That seems to have been removed. The material here glosses over the long term harm done by Lajpat Rai's support of Hindi, to communal relations between the Hindus and Sikhs in the Punjab. Would somebody more knowledgeable than me add material on this gentleman's advocacy of Hindi and general communal outlook. Thanks
Some reference is surely due to the slogan comprising the famous trio (Lal - Lala Lajpat Rai of Punjab, Bal - Bal Gangadhar Tilak of Maharashtra and Pal - Bepin Chandra Pal of Bengal) who, much before the arrival of Gandhiji on the scene, championed the shift of Congress policies and pronouncements from those of a mendicant to legitimate demands of a proud people? Apart from Sri Aurobindo, these three were the earliest leaders to take on the moderates led by Gokhle, Bannerjee and Mehta - who dominated Congress till then, and faced with a popular challenge mounted against their authority from the Nationalists, tried to run them down with the appellation "extremists" - and propagate the Nationalist philosophy as a self-respecting alternative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.194.206.117 ( talk) 06:03, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Although the parents were Agrawals, article sites that Lala Lajpat Rai was born in a Jain family. Is it correct? The citation (2) looks broken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.140.133.214 ( talk) 17:15, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Yes he was born in jain family Animesh samaiya1 ( talk) 08:58, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
User:Tinpisa calls [4] a "press release" (and thus not a reliable source). While is on the face of it true (it is indeed a press release), it's a press release from the Government of India, not some random company. Meanwhile, the cited source is also a governmental body (state, rather than national). If the National Government is not reliable, then the Orissa government cannot be reliable either.
Here are some Google Books search results for Lala Lajpat Rai "martyrs day" (most of these results are only available in "Snippet View" on the search results page):
Some Google web search results:
So my research indicates there are number of days named "Martyrs' Day", the most common ones are January 30 and March 23. In fact, the only one I found that says December 16 for sure is the Orissa government.
I don't even know why I'm spending so much time on this. I'm not Indian and I don't particularly care what day it is. My only goal was trying to add it to the right day for Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries, but apparently you've put a bee in my bonnet. howcheng { chat} 21:25, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Which is the correct location of Lalaji's bith? -- Mrutyunjaya Kar ( talk) 07:46, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
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Someone has been editing his early life section and writing him Jain. But he was from a Punjabi/Hindu/Baniya(Aggarwal) family. I come from his city Jagraon and I have been in touch with his descendants(The trusty of the RK Trust). I have verified the information regarding his family's religious background.
Lala Laj Rai was part of the INC ( https://inc.in/congress-sandesh/tribute/lala-lajpat-rai-28th-january-1865-17th-november-1928-1), So you can also check out the information on their official website here.
The whole misconception is due to only one wrong article from the Hindustan times and we are working to iron it out as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arjungoyal21 ( talk • contribs) 00:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Arjungoyal21 ( talk) 07:16, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Read page number 251 "I do not know how far the charge of unmanliness can be made good against the Jains. I hold no brief for them. By birth, I am a
Vaishnavite (Sect in Hinduism), and was taught ahimsa in my childhood. I have derived much religious benefit from Jain religious works, as I have from scriptures of the other great faiths of the world. I owe much to the living company of the deceased philosopher Raja Chand Kavi4 who was a Jain by birth" He clearly states his family background and he is saying how inspired is he by the concept of Ahinsa and how it is an important part of Jainism.
Next read thing properly the Jain reference is like his grandfather was so ahinsavadi in that reference, he said that I am born in Jain family.
Read both paragraphs and you will understand that he is correctly contradicting himself. He can't be Vaishnavite and jain at same time.
Last, all the govt documents clearly state his family background being (Aggarwal Baniya/ Punjabi Hindu). [2] Arjungoyal21 ( talk) 08:02, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
3O Response: "I have been in touch with his descendants [ sic]" is not a reliable source suitable for use on Wikipedia. What matters is what is confirmed by reliable and independent published sources. That said, it seems there may be enough confusion over the matter here that religion should be omitted entirely (the preferable solution unless reliable sources explicitly indicate that the individual's religion had some substantial impact), or at the very least contextualized as ambiguous rather than put as some single value. Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:41, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
References
I want this topic 2405:201:E049:1006:45E:DE4F:2197:17C3 ( talk) 15:39, 21 February 2023 (UTC)