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In French, the lake is sometimes, perhaps most frequently, called Lac Léman. (And in German, Genfersee).
S. — Preceding
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This move should be undone. The lake is indeed usually called "lac Léman" in French, but the overwhelming majority of English usage is "Lake Geneva". Google supports that assertion: "Leman Lake" 5550 vs. "Lake Geneva" 648,000 or 884 vs. 187,000 if you add "Switzerland" to the query. Rl 10:39, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
Lac Léman is used only by French people (to remember us that a small corner belong to France) and frustrated minor towns around Lake Geneva, they can't stand this name "Lac de Genève". I'm a Geneva citizen, you can belive me, we call it Lac de Genève or simply "le Lac". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.76.132.114 ( talk) 00:12, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
Resident of Montreux syas: Actually Lac Leman is not used by frustrated 'French' on the south shore. The rest of the lake is surrounded by French speaking Swiss who prefer use 'Lac Leman'. The Swiss of the region do not like the term Lake Geneva since it suggests the lake is an extension of Geneva, when actually Geneva is at the very end of the lake as it runs into the Rhone river. Swiss in Lausanne, Vevey, Montreux and all towns feel offended when thelake is assigned as the property of Geneva. Lac Leman is the correct name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.118.6.229 ( talk) 10:02, November 15, 2005 (UTC)
I live in a small minor town around the lake, I use 50% each "lac de Geneve" and "lac leman". So what's the problem? :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.62.36.98 ( talk) 01:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
What? Nobody that I know in Geneva calls the lake "lac de Genève", except maybe when speaking English or German. This is a common accusation that we Geneva citizen call the lake "lac de Genève" when speaking French but that's simply untrue. Except maybe during a derby with Lausanne in soccer or hockey game to annoy the rivals, and even then I don't think that's true (but I don't go to games). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyclistefou ( talk • contribs) 12:15, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
On french TV the name of lake Geneva is as well used. But "lac léman" is more right. I live in Geneva as well and my friend and me say lac léman... -- 195.65.51.14 18:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I think you will find that the official (Swiss) name in French is "Le Léman". That name is used as the title for sheet #40 of the Swiss National Map (1:100.000 series: http://www.swisstopo.ch/en/products/analog/maps/tk100), and many other references can be found here: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9man_%28homonymie%29. I agree with others below that the lake is popularly referred to by the Swiss as "Lac Léman". I've lived in Geneva for 30 years and never heard "Lac de Genève", although there are so many new arrivals, foreigners and tourists that anything goes... You will also hear local English speakers say "the Léman" 62.203.65.11 17:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Though "Lac Léman is more common in French and also used in Geneva parralel to "Lac de Genève", le Former (lac de Genève) is used in Genevan official documents and law. Saying the "Lac de Genève" is not in use in French is therefore demonstratibly incorrect ( http://www.ge.ch/legislation/rsg/main.html). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:120B:2C6D:6AC0:B045:2C8B:1F17:9E62 ( talk) 19:00, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
As a true local, born and educated in Geneva, i can affirm that "Lake Geneva" or "Lac de Genève" is considered and *error*; this name is mostly used if you want to piss off people from Lausanne (call it "le petit village de pêcheurs au bord du lac de Genève") ;P otherwise, the correct name is Leman Lake (or Lake Léman, whichever..) and it is the name that has been used looooong before the erroneous "Lake Geneva" was introduced (if I recall correctly, originally to describe the lower, thin portion of the lake near Geneva). Even though a vast amount of people uses the incorrect name "Lake Geneva", the correct and official name is "Leman Lake" and the article should be moved to "Leman Lake". ---- Konrad-EN ( talk) 08:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
As pointed out earlier, the issue is not what French-speaking people call it, but what English-speaking people call it. I agree that in French is is "Lac Leman", whether you are French, Swiss, or any other nationality. But in English, it is "Lake Geneva", as far as I know (and I live there). And in German it is "Genfersee".-- Gautier lebon ( talk) 10:30, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
This discussion seems to have been restarted by a recent edit. If anybody can document that the English-language name of the lake is something other than "Lake Geneva", then please provide the citation to that effect. Otherwise the name should remain as "Lake Geneva".-- Gautier lebon ( talk) 11:34, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
The most common English-Language map search engine, Google Maps, accurately names it Leman, it should be Leman. Calling it Lake Geneva is incorrect and ignorant. There is a lake Geneva in Wisconsin, USA. Someone mentioned the German language, which is irrelevant, as it is neither the language of this article, nor a local language. German is not the language spoken in this Canton of Switzerland. Italian is also an official language of another area of Switzerland, and it's called Lago Lemano in Italian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AntonioGramsci2011 ( talk • contribs) 07:25, April 20, 2020 (UTC)
Mary Shelley, the famous English writer, referred to it as lake Leman. So did Lord Byron, so did Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AntonioGramsci2011 ( talk • contribs) 20:27, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Are thre fish in it again? are they safe to eat? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.206.165.20 ( talk) 01:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC).
Yes there are, and yes they are. 83.228.206.76 ( talk) 21:56, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
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It seems that there are contradicting assertions for both Lake Leman and Lake Balaton in Hungary. Both claim to be the largest lake in Central Europe, but the surface area clearly indicates Balaton is the largest (making Leman the second largest). A quick survey of several sites seem to confirm this, although the surface areas for Balaton seem to differ slightly. Any reason why the comment on the largest lake in C.E. should remain for lake Leman? -- mexicatl 16:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes, in surface, but it is the largest in volume
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In volume the largest of continental Europe, in area the largest of western Europe. MadGeographer ( talk) 11:06, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
The assertion that the lake is the largest in Western Europe requires that one consider (as the UN Statistics Division) Scandinavia + Finland (which both have larger lakes) to be outside Western Europe. This is OK, although UNESCO has another definition (see article about Western Europe).
It is however more problematic to exclude the Netherlands from Western Europe. Although we are talking about lakes that have been created, Markermeer and Lake Yssel are both larger. See: List of largest lakes of Europe. Changes should hence be made in at least one of the three mentioned articles.
ErikHWiki ( talk) 13:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I would also question the statement about the lake being the "largest body of freshwater in continental Europe in term of volume", as Lake Ladoga is far bigger (water volume 837 km3). The referred source may have been based on "Germanic studies" as referred to in the Continental Europe page and could therefore have excluded Karelia from "Kontinentaleuropa". This isn't consistent with the modern use of the term and thus the statement is quite misleading. JukkaZitting ( talk) 14:43, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was withdrawn. JPG-GR ( talk) 02:54, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
This idea has been kicking around for a long time, but to my knowledge has never been subjected to formal review (if I am wrong, please let me know). Please give your opinions below. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 16:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I removed the anon-added "It is useful to know for visitors that in places around the lake other than Geneva, the use of the name Lac de Genève might be considered offensive, while Lac Léman is a mark of respect" as an over-the-top unsourced POV addition. As we would say in those places around the lake other than Geneva, "faut quand même pas déconner non plus".
You'll have to bring serious references, preferably also in French, to support the notion that a foreigner referring to it as "Lake Geneva" in Lausanne is being offensive. MLauba ( talk) 18:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
No objections on my side to the deletion. I live here, and have never heard anybody express offense or respect. Also, the many germanophones around here call it Genfersee, no matter where they live. I guess that I was being too lenient when I edited the remark and added the requestion for citation: deleting does seem more appropriate.-- Gautier lebon ( talk) 13:30, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
This discussion seems to have been restarted by a recent edit. If anybody can document that the English-language name of the lake is something other than "Lake Geneva", then please provide the citation to that effect. Otherwise the name should remain as "Lake Geneva".-- Gautier lebon ( talk) 11:35, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
I removed the claims about the lake being the largest in Western Europe and the largest freshwater lake in Continental Europe, as neither is correct. Look at lakes like Lake Vänern or Lake Saimaa, not to mention Lake Ladoga. There are a lot of other lakes, all larger that Lake Geneva, in Russia, Sweden and Finland, all of which are part of Continental Europe. Jeppiz ( talk) 12:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
The current english version of the page says "Lemannus comes from Ancient greek Limanos, Limènos Limne Λιμένος Λίμνη meaning port's lake;" The german version says the name comes from the celtic "lem" and "an" which means "big" and "water". The french version says it likely comes from that (but origin is unknown). So which of all these is true? Signof ( talk) 12:22, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
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I've just moved the article back from Lake Leman to Lake Geneva, reverting the most recent of attempted moves by user AntonioGramsci2011. (It has been at Lake Geneva for the last decade or so.)
The title of Lake Geneva lines up with the official Wikipedia policy of WP:COMMONNAME. Usage of Lake Leman in English is extremely rare. As user Doremo mentioned below, this is obvious from a quick look at Google results or a search of books from Ngram data here.
Furthermore, the lake is referred to as Lake Geneva by not only the overwhelming majority of sources in English, but also the English-language versions of Swiss government and tourist websites, including geneve.com, papers by the Geneva local government in English and Swiss railway maps published in English.
What locals call the lake does not matter for the title of the English-language page. Residents of the capital of Algeria refer to their city as الجزائر or approximately Al-Jazāʾir, yet the page is titled Algiers. It is Wikipedia policy (again, WP:COMMONNAME) to use the common English name.
I hope this can conclusively resolve the matter. OwenVersteeg ( talk) 04:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
I thought this place was a space for knowledge. You are wiping the history and the knowledge itself by naming this fabulous lake with a wrong name just because "most foreign people call it this way". There's no doubt of it as people now take wikipedia as the reference and it has been showing a wrong name for too long. It is indeed easier to remember the lake with a such name when you're a foreigner as the current biggest city around is Geneva, but that doesn't mean it is correct and it should be called like that. It has already been proven by many people here that the true and official name is «Lac Léman», «Leman Lake» in English, and the fact that so many people know the name wrong is a major argument to call this article back by the official and historical name of the lake: «Leman Lake», as they would learn something. It is even more important as today everything leads to wikipedia/wikidata, even web mapping are linked to it and use its content. So naming things by wrong names just because most people knows it a certain way is for sure disrespectful but it is also a big issue as it will be shown and used with the wrong name on other things like maps. Plus, as you seem to take Google as a reference, I first suggest you to search on it «Geneva Lake», you'll se that it shows the lake in Wisconsin, not Leman Lake. Then you should go on Google Maps and have a look on how the lake is named on the map. 92.132.227.136 ( talk) 06:42, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
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In French, the lake is sometimes, perhaps most frequently, called Lac Léman. (And in German, Genfersee).
S. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
217.168.172.213 (
talk) January 14, 2003 (UTC)
This move should be undone. The lake is indeed usually called "lac Léman" in French, but the overwhelming majority of English usage is "Lake Geneva". Google supports that assertion: "Leman Lake" 5550 vs. "Lake Geneva" 648,000 or 884 vs. 187,000 if you add "Switzerland" to the query. Rl 10:39, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
Lac Léman is used only by French people (to remember us that a small corner belong to France) and frustrated minor towns around Lake Geneva, they can't stand this name "Lac de Genève". I'm a Geneva citizen, you can belive me, we call it Lac de Genève or simply "le Lac". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.76.132.114 ( talk) 00:12, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
Resident of Montreux syas: Actually Lac Leman is not used by frustrated 'French' on the south shore. The rest of the lake is surrounded by French speaking Swiss who prefer use 'Lac Leman'. The Swiss of the region do not like the term Lake Geneva since it suggests the lake is an extension of Geneva, when actually Geneva is at the very end of the lake as it runs into the Rhone river. Swiss in Lausanne, Vevey, Montreux and all towns feel offended when thelake is assigned as the property of Geneva. Lac Leman is the correct name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.118.6.229 ( talk) 10:02, November 15, 2005 (UTC)
I live in a small minor town around the lake, I use 50% each "lac de Geneve" and "lac leman". So what's the problem? :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.62.36.98 ( talk) 01:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
What? Nobody that I know in Geneva calls the lake "lac de Genève", except maybe when speaking English or German. This is a common accusation that we Geneva citizen call the lake "lac de Genève" when speaking French but that's simply untrue. Except maybe during a derby with Lausanne in soccer or hockey game to annoy the rivals, and even then I don't think that's true (but I don't go to games). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyclistefou ( talk • contribs) 12:15, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
On french TV the name of lake Geneva is as well used. But "lac léman" is more right. I live in Geneva as well and my friend and me say lac léman... -- 195.65.51.14 18:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I think you will find that the official (Swiss) name in French is "Le Léman". That name is used as the title for sheet #40 of the Swiss National Map (1:100.000 series: http://www.swisstopo.ch/en/products/analog/maps/tk100), and many other references can be found here: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9man_%28homonymie%29. I agree with others below that the lake is popularly referred to by the Swiss as "Lac Léman". I've lived in Geneva for 30 years and never heard "Lac de Genève", although there are so many new arrivals, foreigners and tourists that anything goes... You will also hear local English speakers say "the Léman" 62.203.65.11 17:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Though "Lac Léman is more common in French and also used in Geneva parralel to "Lac de Genève", le Former (lac de Genève) is used in Genevan official documents and law. Saying the "Lac de Genève" is not in use in French is therefore demonstratibly incorrect ( http://www.ge.ch/legislation/rsg/main.html). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:120B:2C6D:6AC0:B045:2C8B:1F17:9E62 ( talk) 19:00, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
As a true local, born and educated in Geneva, i can affirm that "Lake Geneva" or "Lac de Genève" is considered and *error*; this name is mostly used if you want to piss off people from Lausanne (call it "le petit village de pêcheurs au bord du lac de Genève") ;P otherwise, the correct name is Leman Lake (or Lake Léman, whichever..) and it is the name that has been used looooong before the erroneous "Lake Geneva" was introduced (if I recall correctly, originally to describe the lower, thin portion of the lake near Geneva). Even though a vast amount of people uses the incorrect name "Lake Geneva", the correct and official name is "Leman Lake" and the article should be moved to "Leman Lake". ---- Konrad-EN ( talk) 08:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
As pointed out earlier, the issue is not what French-speaking people call it, but what English-speaking people call it. I agree that in French is is "Lac Leman", whether you are French, Swiss, or any other nationality. But in English, it is "Lake Geneva", as far as I know (and I live there). And in German it is "Genfersee".-- Gautier lebon ( talk) 10:30, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
This discussion seems to have been restarted by a recent edit. If anybody can document that the English-language name of the lake is something other than "Lake Geneva", then please provide the citation to that effect. Otherwise the name should remain as "Lake Geneva".-- Gautier lebon ( talk) 11:34, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
The most common English-Language map search engine, Google Maps, accurately names it Leman, it should be Leman. Calling it Lake Geneva is incorrect and ignorant. There is a lake Geneva in Wisconsin, USA. Someone mentioned the German language, which is irrelevant, as it is neither the language of this article, nor a local language. German is not the language spoken in this Canton of Switzerland. Italian is also an official language of another area of Switzerland, and it's called Lago Lemano in Italian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AntonioGramsci2011 ( talk • contribs) 07:25, April 20, 2020 (UTC)
Mary Shelley, the famous English writer, referred to it as lake Leman. So did Lord Byron, so did Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AntonioGramsci2011 ( talk • contribs) 20:27, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Are thre fish in it again? are they safe to eat? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.206.165.20 ( talk) 01:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC).
Yes there are, and yes they are. 83.228.206.76 ( talk) 21:56, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 04:36, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
It seems that there are contradicting assertions for both Lake Leman and Lake Balaton in Hungary. Both claim to be the largest lake in Central Europe, but the surface area clearly indicates Balaton is the largest (making Leman the second largest). A quick survey of several sites seem to confirm this, although the surface areas for Balaton seem to differ slightly. Any reason why the comment on the largest lake in C.E. should remain for lake Leman? -- mexicatl 16:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes, in surface, but it is the largest in volume
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In volume the largest of continental Europe, in area the largest of western Europe. MadGeographer ( talk) 11:06, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
The assertion that the lake is the largest in Western Europe requires that one consider (as the UN Statistics Division) Scandinavia + Finland (which both have larger lakes) to be outside Western Europe. This is OK, although UNESCO has another definition (see article about Western Europe).
It is however more problematic to exclude the Netherlands from Western Europe. Although we are talking about lakes that have been created, Markermeer and Lake Yssel are both larger. See: List of largest lakes of Europe. Changes should hence be made in at least one of the three mentioned articles.
ErikHWiki ( talk) 13:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I would also question the statement about the lake being the "largest body of freshwater in continental Europe in term of volume", as Lake Ladoga is far bigger (water volume 837 km3). The referred source may have been based on "Germanic studies" as referred to in the Continental Europe page and could therefore have excluded Karelia from "Kontinentaleuropa". This isn't consistent with the modern use of the term and thus the statement is quite misleading. JukkaZitting ( talk) 14:43, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was withdrawn. JPG-GR ( talk) 02:54, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
This idea has been kicking around for a long time, but to my knowledge has never been subjected to formal review (if I am wrong, please let me know). Please give your opinions below. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis ( talk) 16:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I removed the anon-added "It is useful to know for visitors that in places around the lake other than Geneva, the use of the name Lac de Genève might be considered offensive, while Lac Léman is a mark of respect" as an over-the-top unsourced POV addition. As we would say in those places around the lake other than Geneva, "faut quand même pas déconner non plus".
You'll have to bring serious references, preferably also in French, to support the notion that a foreigner referring to it as "Lake Geneva" in Lausanne is being offensive. MLauba ( talk) 18:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
No objections on my side to the deletion. I live here, and have never heard anybody express offense or respect. Also, the many germanophones around here call it Genfersee, no matter where they live. I guess that I was being too lenient when I edited the remark and added the requestion for citation: deleting does seem more appropriate.-- Gautier lebon ( talk) 13:30, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
This discussion seems to have been restarted by a recent edit. If anybody can document that the English-language name of the lake is something other than "Lake Geneva", then please provide the citation to that effect. Otherwise the name should remain as "Lake Geneva".-- Gautier lebon ( talk) 11:35, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
I removed the claims about the lake being the largest in Western Europe and the largest freshwater lake in Continental Europe, as neither is correct. Look at lakes like Lake Vänern or Lake Saimaa, not to mention Lake Ladoga. There are a lot of other lakes, all larger that Lake Geneva, in Russia, Sweden and Finland, all of which are part of Continental Europe. Jeppiz ( talk) 12:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
The current english version of the page says "Lemannus comes from Ancient greek Limanos, Limènos Limne Λιμένος Λίμνη meaning port's lake;" The german version says the name comes from the celtic "lem" and "an" which means "big" and "water". The french version says it likely comes from that (but origin is unknown). So which of all these is true? Signof ( talk) 12:22, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
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I've just moved the article back from Lake Leman to Lake Geneva, reverting the most recent of attempted moves by user AntonioGramsci2011. (It has been at Lake Geneva for the last decade or so.)
The title of Lake Geneva lines up with the official Wikipedia policy of WP:COMMONNAME. Usage of Lake Leman in English is extremely rare. As user Doremo mentioned below, this is obvious from a quick look at Google results or a search of books from Ngram data here.
Furthermore, the lake is referred to as Lake Geneva by not only the overwhelming majority of sources in English, but also the English-language versions of Swiss government and tourist websites, including geneve.com, papers by the Geneva local government in English and Swiss railway maps published in English.
What locals call the lake does not matter for the title of the English-language page. Residents of the capital of Algeria refer to their city as الجزائر or approximately Al-Jazāʾir, yet the page is titled Algiers. It is Wikipedia policy (again, WP:COMMONNAME) to use the common English name.
I hope this can conclusively resolve the matter. OwenVersteeg ( talk) 04:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
I thought this place was a space for knowledge. You are wiping the history and the knowledge itself by naming this fabulous lake with a wrong name just because "most foreign people call it this way". There's no doubt of it as people now take wikipedia as the reference and it has been showing a wrong name for too long. It is indeed easier to remember the lake with a such name when you're a foreigner as the current biggest city around is Geneva, but that doesn't mean it is correct and it should be called like that. It has already been proven by many people here that the true and official name is «Lac Léman», «Leman Lake» in English, and the fact that so many people know the name wrong is a major argument to call this article back by the official and historical name of the lake: «Leman Lake», as they would learn something. It is even more important as today everything leads to wikipedia/wikidata, even web mapping are linked to it and use its content. So naming things by wrong names just because most people knows it a certain way is for sure disrespectful but it is also a big issue as it will be shown and used with the wrong name on other things like maps. Plus, as you seem to take Google as a reference, I first suggest you to search on it «Geneva Lake», you'll se that it shows the lake in Wisconsin, not Leman Lake. Then you should go on Google Maps and have a look on how the lake is named on the map. 92.132.227.136 ( talk) 06:42, 30 December 2022 (UTC)