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I have moved the below discussions from Talk:Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg. I don't see much point having the separate talk page after the merger
Perhaps this should be moved to the Nipmuck language wikipedia. I see no evidence that this name has been accepted by the Bureau of Geographical Names at the USGS. It appears to have been developed for publicity purposes, and it is difficult too take it seriously. Eclecticology 20:20 Dec 17, 2002 (UTC)
May I recommend moving it to a hyphenated title, just so as not to screw the formatting, as has been done for Llanfair PG?
How do you get "Englishmen" from "Chargogg", or is it vice versa? - phma
As a native of the area I can verify that this article is correct. I don't know who originally wrote this article but they are on target. I strongly disagree that it should be moved to a Native American language section. The bottom line is, the semanctics are immaterial. The name is part of the fabric of the town of Webster. It is a given that the former editor of The Webster Times probably started the "You fish on your side, I fish on my side and nobody fishes in the middle" myth. However, that belief has been part of the lore for over 50 years. Longer than I have been alive!
My first journalism job was with The Webster Times and I had the pleasure of working with Mr. Edward Patenaude. Please click on this for a futher explanation: http://oldewebster.com/history/lake_chargogg.htm
Recently, User:Sertraline changed the text that said that Route 16 terminated at 395 near the lake. Why was this changed? It sure looks like it terminates there on a map, is there any evidence disputing that? — Cleared as filed. 12:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm simply making an observation, here. How is it that the long version of the name is spelled differently in many places, including on official signage around the lake, yet is a spelling word in the local elementary schools?
This article isn't silly or spurious. Even if this super-long version of the name may be attributed to a newspaper article 80 years ago, its a well-developed meme and is often discussed and mentioned in print. Regarding the proposed merger, I am slightly against it as one article is about the lake and one is about its wierd name. If they are merged, I guess having a section on "The lake" and "The name" wouldn't be so bad. House of Scandal 01:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
End of the moved discussions. Nil Einne ( talk) 09:49, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
The pronunciation seems unusually mangled. The pronouncer didn't even try. 70.92.74.148 19:33, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Even moreso than in other cases, the IPA gibberish here is completely useless. For shorter words people can, if they care enough, look up what each nonsensical character means (assuming they all load), but doing so here would be like trying to translate Ge'ez text into Kartuli with a dictionary without knowing either language or script. There is overwhelming support for giving alternative phonetic rendering of words, but for some reason the socially inept cabal who obsessively micromanage wikipedia refuse to allow that. 107.3.44.127 ( talk) 20:41, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Dirk is awesome Correct me if this isn't your experience, but ... I've only heard Webster natives refer to this lake in two ways: as "Webster Lake" or as "Lake Chargoggaggog..." (the 45/49-letter version). "Lake Chaubunagungamaug," the title of this article, I've only seen on maps, presumably to save space. None of the signs by the side of the lake carry this name, nor does it appear on locally sold souvenirs or in the local media. "Lake Webster" I've never heard of in any place. So of four names given in the article, in their order of appearance, I've found the first two to be rare, if existant at all, and the last two -- the "alternate name," "Lake Chargogg ...," and "Webster Lake" -- to be the most common. Also, the lake is most famous for its name; and it's the 49-letter version, not the abbreviated "Lake Chaubunagungamaug," that gets the attention. Should this article be renamed? Wiki Wistah 07:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I fully agree with Wiki Wistah - I just took a survey through my household and relatives currently online (totaling 7 persons, age to 65), none have ever called it this "Chaubunagungamaug" nor "Lake Webster." It would be appropriate to rename this article to Webster Lake or, likewise, to the 45/49-letter version and have the alternate redirect to said page. Ptrimby 01:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
"Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg, the extra-long version of the name, is the longest place name in the United States and 6th longest in the world. Its 15 uses of 'g' are the most instances of any letter in a word. The name also contains more 10 instances of the letter 'a', more than any other word in the English language."
I only count 9 occurances of the letter "a". Is the count wrong, or is the spelling? 159.53.46.141 15:14, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I suspect they're counting the A in Lake since in that section they're talking about the "place name" and not just the long word itself. Gabenowicki 20:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I took it upon myself to change the wording of that section to clarify, hope it reads better now... Gabenowicki 20:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
But now I suppose the "Alternate Name" (extended version) is actually 49 letters long (not 45) because of the whole "Lake" thing. Perhaps I will take this upon myself as well...? Gabenowicki 20:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Merge after DYK. Baka man 22:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
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Awesome DYK, best one I read in a long time. 70.22.209.56 18:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
The Quabbin Reservoir is both freshwater and larger than Lake Webster. This claim should be qualified that it's the largest natural body of freshwater in the Commonwealth. GeeJimmy 14:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
The largest body of fresh water is Long Pond in Lakeville, MA. at 1721 acres. The second largest lake in Massachusetts is Webster Lake at 1270 acres.
The Quabin Reservoir is neither a lake or natural. It is a man made body of water. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hneeser ( talk • contribs) 14:12, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
On the DYK! I learned much. I thought it was a spoof or a hoax until I read it. I really like the poem. Congrats again to everyone who worked on it, NinaEliza 15:31, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please add a .wav or .ogg of the correct, full pronunciation of the name of the lake?
I failed this article on its Good article nomination for the following reasons:
I did find this an interesting article, but it needs some work to meet GA standards. Acdixon 16:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a mention of it being referenced in the Gilmore Girls episode "Welcome to the Doll House" (6x06)? -- WTRiker ( talk) 19:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Link to farsi (فارسی) page is invalid. I don't know how to remove it, someone please do that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.183.244.165 ( talk) 09:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
In the "Name" section, a paragraph reads: "In the 1950s, a plan to set the official name of the water to Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg rather than the longer version inspired a poem of doggerel verse" which then mentions that the name must have 15 g's and no fewer. "Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg" is the longer version, with 15 g's. It appears that the plan was to shorten the name to something else. This should be corrected. ccdesan ( talk) 14:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
lake carlyarwaa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.194.27.98 ( talk) 23:51, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I am a Webster lake resident. Please change the heading name to the correct spelling "Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg" —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChocoRiver ( talk • contribs) 22:05, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
I just did a quick copyedit of this page, but it still needs work. I put all the stuff about the name into the "Name" section and tried to reduce some of the redundancy and improve the flow and wording (but it still jumps around from this to that). The main thing I wanted to mention here is that I took out one of the references used and some text sourced to it. The link is [1], an old (now web archived) page titled "A Collection of Word Oddities and Trivia, Page 10". It is one of a bunch of pages on "word oddities and trivia". These pages are fun and I've enjoyed them for years, but they are not a reliable source, especially for the kind of claims they were backing up in this article, specifically:
Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg, the full-length version of the name, is the longest place name in the United States and 6th longest in the world. An even longer, 49-letter version of the name, "Chargoggagoggmanchauggauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg" has been cited (extra letters in bold). Its 17 uses of "g" are the most instances of any letter in a word. The name also contains 10 instances of the letter "a" (not including the "a" in "lake"), more than any word in the English language.
The claims about being one of the longest place names in the US and world might be possible to reference with the GNIS page, U.S. Geological Survey Geographic Names Information System: Lake Chaubunagungamaug, which says that the "long form name" is the fifth longest word in the world and the longest lake name anywhere, but note it says this claim comes from the Guiness Book of Records according to "The Boston Globe, 1992". While the USGS GNIS database is usually a reliable source, in this specific case I don't think it is.
Finally, note that one of the main references used, [2] (Fabrication leaves us gasping - Old twist to name of lake comes to light), is a dead link. Maybe someone can find a replacement? It would be nice if this page was better--the lake is famous for its name (the page gets hundreds of hits a day), but this page is more confusing than helpful about it. Pfly ( talk) 18:17, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Google Image of the sign in Webster Massachusetts with the correct spelling. Please correct the name. ChocoRiver ( talk) 17:07, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
hahahhahahahah dat name d;D:DuxD"
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) Calidum 00:34, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Lake Chaubunagungamaugg → Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg – offical name – A8v ( talk) 19:10, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 06:22, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Lake Chaubunagungamaugg →
Lake Chaubunagungamaug – I'd like to change Chaubunagungamaugg to Chaubunagungamaug in the article title. The only difference is whether there's one "g" at the end or two.
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Why isn't the article named "Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg"? Theobegley2013 ( talk) 13:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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I have moved the below discussions from Talk:Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg. I don't see much point having the separate talk page after the merger
Perhaps this should be moved to the Nipmuck language wikipedia. I see no evidence that this name has been accepted by the Bureau of Geographical Names at the USGS. It appears to have been developed for publicity purposes, and it is difficult too take it seriously. Eclecticology 20:20 Dec 17, 2002 (UTC)
May I recommend moving it to a hyphenated title, just so as not to screw the formatting, as has been done for Llanfair PG?
How do you get "Englishmen" from "Chargogg", or is it vice versa? - phma
As a native of the area I can verify that this article is correct. I don't know who originally wrote this article but they are on target. I strongly disagree that it should be moved to a Native American language section. The bottom line is, the semanctics are immaterial. The name is part of the fabric of the town of Webster. It is a given that the former editor of The Webster Times probably started the "You fish on your side, I fish on my side and nobody fishes in the middle" myth. However, that belief has been part of the lore for over 50 years. Longer than I have been alive!
My first journalism job was with The Webster Times and I had the pleasure of working with Mr. Edward Patenaude. Please click on this for a futher explanation: http://oldewebster.com/history/lake_chargogg.htm
Recently, User:Sertraline changed the text that said that Route 16 terminated at 395 near the lake. Why was this changed? It sure looks like it terminates there on a map, is there any evidence disputing that? — Cleared as filed. 12:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm simply making an observation, here. How is it that the long version of the name is spelled differently in many places, including on official signage around the lake, yet is a spelling word in the local elementary schools?
This article isn't silly or spurious. Even if this super-long version of the name may be attributed to a newspaper article 80 years ago, its a well-developed meme and is often discussed and mentioned in print. Regarding the proposed merger, I am slightly against it as one article is about the lake and one is about its wierd name. If they are merged, I guess having a section on "The lake" and "The name" wouldn't be so bad. House of Scandal 01:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
End of the moved discussions. Nil Einne ( talk) 09:49, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
The pronunciation seems unusually mangled. The pronouncer didn't even try. 70.92.74.148 19:33, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Even moreso than in other cases, the IPA gibberish here is completely useless. For shorter words people can, if they care enough, look up what each nonsensical character means (assuming they all load), but doing so here would be like trying to translate Ge'ez text into Kartuli with a dictionary without knowing either language or script. There is overwhelming support for giving alternative phonetic rendering of words, but for some reason the socially inept cabal who obsessively micromanage wikipedia refuse to allow that. 107.3.44.127 ( talk) 20:41, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Dirk is awesome Correct me if this isn't your experience, but ... I've only heard Webster natives refer to this lake in two ways: as "Webster Lake" or as "Lake Chargoggaggog..." (the 45/49-letter version). "Lake Chaubunagungamaug," the title of this article, I've only seen on maps, presumably to save space. None of the signs by the side of the lake carry this name, nor does it appear on locally sold souvenirs or in the local media. "Lake Webster" I've never heard of in any place. So of four names given in the article, in their order of appearance, I've found the first two to be rare, if existant at all, and the last two -- the "alternate name," "Lake Chargogg ...," and "Webster Lake" -- to be the most common. Also, the lake is most famous for its name; and it's the 49-letter version, not the abbreviated "Lake Chaubunagungamaug," that gets the attention. Should this article be renamed? Wiki Wistah 07:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I fully agree with Wiki Wistah - I just took a survey through my household and relatives currently online (totaling 7 persons, age to 65), none have ever called it this "Chaubunagungamaug" nor "Lake Webster." It would be appropriate to rename this article to Webster Lake or, likewise, to the 45/49-letter version and have the alternate redirect to said page. Ptrimby 01:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
"Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg, the extra-long version of the name, is the longest place name in the United States and 6th longest in the world. Its 15 uses of 'g' are the most instances of any letter in a word. The name also contains more 10 instances of the letter 'a', more than any other word in the English language."
I only count 9 occurances of the letter "a". Is the count wrong, or is the spelling? 159.53.46.141 15:14, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I suspect they're counting the A in Lake since in that section they're talking about the "place name" and not just the long word itself. Gabenowicki 20:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I took it upon myself to change the wording of that section to clarify, hope it reads better now... Gabenowicki 20:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
But now I suppose the "Alternate Name" (extended version) is actually 49 letters long (not 45) because of the whole "Lake" thing. Perhaps I will take this upon myself as well...? Gabenowicki 20:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Merge after DYK. Baka man 22:15, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
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Awesome DYK, best one I read in a long time. 70.22.209.56 18:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
The Quabbin Reservoir is both freshwater and larger than Lake Webster. This claim should be qualified that it's the largest natural body of freshwater in the Commonwealth. GeeJimmy 14:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
The largest body of fresh water is Long Pond in Lakeville, MA. at 1721 acres. The second largest lake in Massachusetts is Webster Lake at 1270 acres.
The Quabin Reservoir is neither a lake or natural. It is a man made body of water. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hneeser ( talk • contribs) 14:12, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
On the DYK! I learned much. I thought it was a spoof or a hoax until I read it. I really like the poem. Congrats again to everyone who worked on it, NinaEliza 15:31, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please add a .wav or .ogg of the correct, full pronunciation of the name of the lake?
I failed this article on its Good article nomination for the following reasons:
I did find this an interesting article, but it needs some work to meet GA standards. Acdixon 16:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a mention of it being referenced in the Gilmore Girls episode "Welcome to the Doll House" (6x06)? -- WTRiker ( talk) 19:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Link to farsi (فارسی) page is invalid. I don't know how to remove it, someone please do that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.183.244.165 ( talk) 09:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
In the "Name" section, a paragraph reads: "In the 1950s, a plan to set the official name of the water to Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg rather than the longer version inspired a poem of doggerel verse" which then mentions that the name must have 15 g's and no fewer. "Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg" is the longer version, with 15 g's. It appears that the plan was to shorten the name to something else. This should be corrected. ccdesan ( talk) 14:07, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
lake carlyarwaa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.194.27.98 ( talk) 23:51, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I am a Webster lake resident. Please change the heading name to the correct spelling "Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg" —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChocoRiver ( talk • contribs) 22:05, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
I just did a quick copyedit of this page, but it still needs work. I put all the stuff about the name into the "Name" section and tried to reduce some of the redundancy and improve the flow and wording (but it still jumps around from this to that). The main thing I wanted to mention here is that I took out one of the references used and some text sourced to it. The link is [1], an old (now web archived) page titled "A Collection of Word Oddities and Trivia, Page 10". It is one of a bunch of pages on "word oddities and trivia". These pages are fun and I've enjoyed them for years, but they are not a reliable source, especially for the kind of claims they were backing up in this article, specifically:
Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg, the full-length version of the name, is the longest place name in the United States and 6th longest in the world. An even longer, 49-letter version of the name, "Chargoggagoggmanchauggauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg" has been cited (extra letters in bold). Its 17 uses of "g" are the most instances of any letter in a word. The name also contains 10 instances of the letter "a" (not including the "a" in "lake"), more than any word in the English language.
The claims about being one of the longest place names in the US and world might be possible to reference with the GNIS page, U.S. Geological Survey Geographic Names Information System: Lake Chaubunagungamaug, which says that the "long form name" is the fifth longest word in the world and the longest lake name anywhere, but note it says this claim comes from the Guiness Book of Records according to "The Boston Globe, 1992". While the USGS GNIS database is usually a reliable source, in this specific case I don't think it is.
Finally, note that one of the main references used, [2] (Fabrication leaves us gasping - Old twist to name of lake comes to light), is a dead link. Maybe someone can find a replacement? It would be nice if this page was better--the lake is famous for its name (the page gets hundreds of hits a day), but this page is more confusing than helpful about it. Pfly ( talk) 18:17, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Google Image of the sign in Webster Massachusetts with the correct spelling. Please correct the name. ChocoRiver ( talk) 17:07, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
hahahhahahahah dat name d;D:DuxD"
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) Calidum 00:34, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Lake Chaubunagungamaugg → Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg – offical name – A8v ( talk) 19:10, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 06:22, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Lake Chaubunagungamaugg →
Lake Chaubunagungamaug – I'd like to change Chaubunagungamaugg to Chaubunagungamaug in the article title. The only difference is whether there's one "g" at the end or two.
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Why isn't the article named "Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg"? Theobegley2013 ( talk) 13:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)