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Wikipedia guidlines say be bold so I was and created this article. One shouldnt really merge it with lord as it is something entirely different. Its not very long at the moment so I'm hoping someone can help add a little something. Thanks! -- Camaeron 13:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Is this page really a high importance subject? If so why have I only just created it? I have looked everywhere on the net for more info but all that keeps coming up are those silly "buy a lairdship" cons. Perhaps a subheading about them would be an idea? -- Camaeron 15:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't see any legal precedent to call land conservation a 'scam' since all land conservation projects like the Lochaber one exist in even the U.S where people spend a bit of money buying tiny plots and saving the land 'collectively'.
Lord Lyon never said it was illegal, fraud, or scam - He said it was 'meaningless' - which it is but the article seems to be wanted to convey that it is some sort of gross illegal scam which it is not.
People buy novelty I.D's from space, Novelty thousand dollar bills et al -- So what's the big deal about a novelty title? - It's 2009 guys ALL TITLES are novelties these days even 'Queen' of England sounds silly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.130.189.213 ( talk) 02:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
The Lord Lyon has a jurisdiction not only over heraldry, but also over names, titles and dignities. A Laird, in correct usage, is a person recognised by the Lord Lyon in a type of title called a territorial designation. Scotland's High Court, the Court of Session, recently recognised that the Lord Lyon has a jurisdiction to determine the correct use of such titles. The Court of Session ruled that a certain quantity of land is necessary for a territorial designation (laird status). In one instance, 2000 square metres of bare land was held to be insufficient, so it is clear that one square foot is nowhere near the league.
If the Lord Lyon says these novelty lairdships are meaningless, this means that the titles are not being used with any authority or accuracy. Traditionally, there can only be one laird of a single place. In the case of the shared ownership of estates, the most senior of the co-owners takes the designation, usually the eldest male.
Accordingly, it is incorrect to say that the Lord Lyon has no jurisdiction over lairdships, so this assertion has been deleted from the entry. Braveheart. 18:13, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
The court of the Lord Lyon is the final authority in all matters heraldic, with power to create and assign arms as the court deems fit, and, with it that authority, to judge who is the rightful claimant to a title. This authority extends all the way from a gentleman up to the Crown of Scotland. Whatever one's opinion of Lyon, he is indeed the representative of the Crown. The Crown is the fons honoris, or source of honor for any title. Thus, if Lyon says that a Lairdship comprising one square foot of land held directly of the Crown is "worthless," then our aspiring Lairds, who are entitled to call themselfs anything they like, may call themselfs "Lairds" indeed but the Crown unfortunately not. If these statements I have made offend anyone reading this, or if anyone disagrees--- as my apology, I shall bestow unto you the dignity of an Earldom in the shire of your choice, and with it, the right to style yourself as the Earl of Reekyarse. --Insightfullysaid —Preceding unsigned comment added by Insightfullysaid ( talk • contribs) 02:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
The English word lord also comes from OE hlāford. Wouldn't it be simpler to say laird is a cognate of lord? — Tamfang ( talk) 20:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
The "Forms of Address" section says, "The younger children of a laird are styled as "Mr [Forename] [Surname]" if male, and "Miss [Forename] [Surname] of [Lairdship]" if female." Is the asymmetry correct there? Specifically, the males do not get "of [Lairdship]" but the females do? I suspect they both get it or both don't, but didn't see an obvious reference to indicate one way or another. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:9:7E00:E9B:B19C:26FB:497E:46BE ( talk) 01:53, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
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Wikipedia guidlines say be bold so I was and created this article. One shouldnt really merge it with lord as it is something entirely different. Its not very long at the moment so I'm hoping someone can help add a little something. Thanks! -- Camaeron 13:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Is this page really a high importance subject? If so why have I only just created it? I have looked everywhere on the net for more info but all that keeps coming up are those silly "buy a lairdship" cons. Perhaps a subheading about them would be an idea? -- Camaeron 15:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't see any legal precedent to call land conservation a 'scam' since all land conservation projects like the Lochaber one exist in even the U.S where people spend a bit of money buying tiny plots and saving the land 'collectively'.
Lord Lyon never said it was illegal, fraud, or scam - He said it was 'meaningless' - which it is but the article seems to be wanted to convey that it is some sort of gross illegal scam which it is not.
People buy novelty I.D's from space, Novelty thousand dollar bills et al -- So what's the big deal about a novelty title? - It's 2009 guys ALL TITLES are novelties these days even 'Queen' of England sounds silly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.130.189.213 ( talk) 02:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
The Lord Lyon has a jurisdiction not only over heraldry, but also over names, titles and dignities. A Laird, in correct usage, is a person recognised by the Lord Lyon in a type of title called a territorial designation. Scotland's High Court, the Court of Session, recently recognised that the Lord Lyon has a jurisdiction to determine the correct use of such titles. The Court of Session ruled that a certain quantity of land is necessary for a territorial designation (laird status). In one instance, 2000 square metres of bare land was held to be insufficient, so it is clear that one square foot is nowhere near the league.
If the Lord Lyon says these novelty lairdships are meaningless, this means that the titles are not being used with any authority or accuracy. Traditionally, there can only be one laird of a single place. In the case of the shared ownership of estates, the most senior of the co-owners takes the designation, usually the eldest male.
Accordingly, it is incorrect to say that the Lord Lyon has no jurisdiction over lairdships, so this assertion has been deleted from the entry. Braveheart. 18:13, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
The court of the Lord Lyon is the final authority in all matters heraldic, with power to create and assign arms as the court deems fit, and, with it that authority, to judge who is the rightful claimant to a title. This authority extends all the way from a gentleman up to the Crown of Scotland. Whatever one's opinion of Lyon, he is indeed the representative of the Crown. The Crown is the fons honoris, or source of honor for any title. Thus, if Lyon says that a Lairdship comprising one square foot of land held directly of the Crown is "worthless," then our aspiring Lairds, who are entitled to call themselfs anything they like, may call themselfs "Lairds" indeed but the Crown unfortunately not. If these statements I have made offend anyone reading this, or if anyone disagrees--- as my apology, I shall bestow unto you the dignity of an Earldom in the shire of your choice, and with it, the right to style yourself as the Earl of Reekyarse. --Insightfullysaid —Preceding unsigned comment added by Insightfullysaid ( talk • contribs) 02:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
The English word lord also comes from OE hlāford. Wouldn't it be simpler to say laird is a cognate of lord? — Tamfang ( talk) 20:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
The "Forms of Address" section says, "The younger children of a laird are styled as "Mr [Forename] [Surname]" if male, and "Miss [Forename] [Surname] of [Lairdship]" if female." Is the asymmetry correct there? Specifically, the males do not get "of [Lairdship]" but the females do? I suspect they both get it or both don't, but didn't see an obvious reference to indicate one way or another. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:9:7E00:E9B:B19C:26FB:497E:46BE ( talk) 01:53, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
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