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I'm not Laich-kwil-tach but have started "winging" this article from memory and the occasional bit of on-line help because it's needed. I'm sensitive to the whole appropriation thing but believe certain things have to get talked about, however careful the language need be; I'm not going to launch into the slave culture or any of that; I'm more concerned with speaking of such matters as the clout the Laich-kwil-tach wielded over the Straits and River Salish, then their decline in colonial times; One bit I excerpted that I'm not sure about is as follows:
I cut that off when I realize I wasn't sure; I know that Haida power was already on the wane by mid-century, as one historian noted even Squamish raids against the once-feared islanders. The Euclataws retained a fierce reputation; but I think the various impacts of the fur trade in the Straits and on the river put a cramp in their style and "got in the way", as well as provided their formerly-weaker southern neighbours with better weapons and more. The Euclataws attaced Fort Langley as well as Nisqually - and Fort Camosun (Victoria) but that was all in the 1820s-40s; they were still pretty, um, hostile even at the time of the gold rush, however; and might have been as much of a political firecracker for a Waddington's Road (Homathko River-Bute Inlet) wagon road or railway route had the Tsilhqot'in taken up the battle first.
Actual Laich-kwil-tach persons or someone from the area or who's studied more formally than I have, please revisit and revise what I've done; I've only meant it as a starting point, and to give context to links referring from other pages, either as Laich-kwil-tach or as Southern Kwakiutl; ultimately there should be a Kwakiutl disambiguation page; that currently goes to Kwakawka'wakw. Added basic stuff to Quadra Island and basic link is already in to Campbell River disambigs for Euclataws and Yuculta made Skookum1 09:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I am not Laich-kwil-tach, but I am Kwakwaka'wakw of the Namgis. This politically separate information is really new to me. I've never heard of it. The Kwakwaka'wakw are all the kwak'walla speaking peoples, up and down the coast. It was the affiliation among the different tribes speaking the language. This was observed in the pot-latch system, with different tribes being placed among all the Kwakwaka'wakw peoples. Just wanted to know where all this new info came from. OldManRivers 05:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
This article seems to glorify these people. Could we make it more encyclopedic? OldManRivers 05:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Because you've used "Weka'yi" on the template I'm wondering if that might not be the more proper name for this article; other options as you know are Lekwiltok, Euclataws (the most common in English), Yuculta (now P.C. in English, or was fora while), and other variations of Legwildok; as noted above Laich-kwil-tach is the spelling found on one of the tribal webpages; but tribal informations have also provided Weka'yi, Yuculta, and Lewkwiltok/Legwildok......I've seen other spellings for Weka'yi, too....should we take a popularity contest? ;-) Google hits won't suffice; my gut feeling is to go with the old English name; but that's very un-indigenously correct..... Skookum1 ( talk) 16:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Laich-kwil-tach/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
needs more detail/description and pics/map -- Skookum1 (8 May 06) |
Last edited at 02:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 21:34, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
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I'm not Laich-kwil-tach but have started "winging" this article from memory and the occasional bit of on-line help because it's needed. I'm sensitive to the whole appropriation thing but believe certain things have to get talked about, however careful the language need be; I'm not going to launch into the slave culture or any of that; I'm more concerned with speaking of such matters as the clout the Laich-kwil-tach wielded over the Straits and River Salish, then their decline in colonial times; One bit I excerpted that I'm not sure about is as follows:
I cut that off when I realize I wasn't sure; I know that Haida power was already on the wane by mid-century, as one historian noted even Squamish raids against the once-feared islanders. The Euclataws retained a fierce reputation; but I think the various impacts of the fur trade in the Straits and on the river put a cramp in their style and "got in the way", as well as provided their formerly-weaker southern neighbours with better weapons and more. The Euclataws attaced Fort Langley as well as Nisqually - and Fort Camosun (Victoria) but that was all in the 1820s-40s; they were still pretty, um, hostile even at the time of the gold rush, however; and might have been as much of a political firecracker for a Waddington's Road (Homathko River-Bute Inlet) wagon road or railway route had the Tsilhqot'in taken up the battle first.
Actual Laich-kwil-tach persons or someone from the area or who's studied more formally than I have, please revisit and revise what I've done; I've only meant it as a starting point, and to give context to links referring from other pages, either as Laich-kwil-tach or as Southern Kwakiutl; ultimately there should be a Kwakiutl disambiguation page; that currently goes to Kwakawka'wakw. Added basic stuff to Quadra Island and basic link is already in to Campbell River disambigs for Euclataws and Yuculta made Skookum1 09:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I am not Laich-kwil-tach, but I am Kwakwaka'wakw of the Namgis. This politically separate information is really new to me. I've never heard of it. The Kwakwaka'wakw are all the kwak'walla speaking peoples, up and down the coast. It was the affiliation among the different tribes speaking the language. This was observed in the pot-latch system, with different tribes being placed among all the Kwakwaka'wakw peoples. Just wanted to know where all this new info came from. OldManRivers 05:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
This article seems to glorify these people. Could we make it more encyclopedic? OldManRivers 05:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Because you've used "Weka'yi" on the template I'm wondering if that might not be the more proper name for this article; other options as you know are Lekwiltok, Euclataws (the most common in English), Yuculta (now P.C. in English, or was fora while), and other variations of Legwildok; as noted above Laich-kwil-tach is the spelling found on one of the tribal webpages; but tribal informations have also provided Weka'yi, Yuculta, and Lewkwiltok/Legwildok......I've seen other spellings for Weka'yi, too....should we take a popularity contest? ;-) Google hits won't suffice; my gut feeling is to go with the old English name; but that's very un-indigenously correct..... Skookum1 ( talk) 16:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Laich-kwil-tach/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
needs more detail/description and pics/map -- Skookum1 (8 May 06) |
Last edited at 02:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 21:34, 29 April 2016 (UTC)