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I don't remember whether there was a hole on the back (presumedly to store the ashes of somebody), but I may be confusing it with the Lady of Baza. -- Error 01:06, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The tone of this article is not appropriate for an enciclopaedia.
I don't think that things like "The Lady of Elche is either Iberian art of the 4th century B.C., or the Hellenistic or the Roman periods or she is an Art Nouveau forgery showing the influence of Alphonse Mucha's posters." or "remind some viewers of Ozma of Oz" is anything but close to "neutrality". Works of art should not be treated in a contemptuous way, even if they are forgeries.
About the bust being a forgery, the fact that one profesor in the US (John F. Moffitt) says it is a forgery, is no reason to doubt the good work of hundreds of other arqueologists that affirm it is authentic. The fact that other scupltures similar to this one have been found later (Lady of Baza) and that in the same place other iberian rests have been found should put the discovery in context.
217.1.135.244 20:42, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Two references on the controversy added -- one for forgery (Moffitt), and a more recent one for authenticity (Luxan et al.).
What this entry does need is a discussion of the emotional importance of the Lady of Elche for the Autonomous Community of Valencia, and the media campaign over her return from Madrid. these issues overshadow the mere archaeological questions. -- Wetman 02:54, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I'd say it needs some discussion of the claim that the statue is a forgery, as well, even if the controversy is a minor one. At this point, Moffitt's article is listed as a reference, and the statue is said to be controversial, but there are absolutely no details on this in the article.
Themill
06:37, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I am without access to the Moffitt article, and it seems to be the sole source of contention over the authenticity of this piece. I can't bring myself to edit without sources in front of me. :) Maybe someone who has the article can oblige us? Themill 09:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Is there any relationship between the head dress of the Dama del Elche and Tissot's painting of Sarah and Pharaoh? The bust and Pharaoh both wear the odd looking headdress. The bust was discovered around the same time the painting was made. Are there any respected sources analyzing the possibility the bust inspired the painting? Zulu, King Of The Dwarf People ( talk) 22:20, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
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I don't remember whether there was a hole on the back (presumedly to store the ashes of somebody), but I may be confusing it with the Lady of Baza. -- Error 01:06, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The tone of this article is not appropriate for an enciclopaedia.
I don't think that things like "The Lady of Elche is either Iberian art of the 4th century B.C., or the Hellenistic or the Roman periods or she is an Art Nouveau forgery showing the influence of Alphonse Mucha's posters." or "remind some viewers of Ozma of Oz" is anything but close to "neutrality". Works of art should not be treated in a contemptuous way, even if they are forgeries.
About the bust being a forgery, the fact that one profesor in the US (John F. Moffitt) says it is a forgery, is no reason to doubt the good work of hundreds of other arqueologists that affirm it is authentic. The fact that other scupltures similar to this one have been found later (Lady of Baza) and that in the same place other iberian rests have been found should put the discovery in context.
217.1.135.244 20:42, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Two references on the controversy added -- one for forgery (Moffitt), and a more recent one for authenticity (Luxan et al.).
What this entry does need is a discussion of the emotional importance of the Lady of Elche for the Autonomous Community of Valencia, and the media campaign over her return from Madrid. these issues overshadow the mere archaeological questions. -- Wetman 02:54, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I'd say it needs some discussion of the claim that the statue is a forgery, as well, even if the controversy is a minor one. At this point, Moffitt's article is listed as a reference, and the statue is said to be controversial, but there are absolutely no details on this in the article.
Themill
06:37, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I am without access to the Moffitt article, and it seems to be the sole source of contention over the authenticity of this piece. I can't bring myself to edit without sources in front of me. :) Maybe someone who has the article can oblige us? Themill 09:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Is there any relationship between the head dress of the Dama del Elche and Tissot's painting of Sarah and Pharaoh? The bust and Pharaoh both wear the odd looking headdress. The bust was discovered around the same time the painting was made. Are there any respected sources analyzing the possibility the bust inspired the painting? Zulu, King Of The Dwarf People ( talk) 22:20, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
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