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Hey there, I'm happy to take this one on for review. I've not reviewed an article about a squat yet, so I'm looking forward to it. --
Grnrchst (
talk) 12:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Starting with replies now - regarding recent edits, I wouldn't regard it as a
leisure centre - that has the connotation for me and our wikiarticle of being a sports-based place, like gym/swim/climbing wall. I'd say Ladronka is more of an activities centre since it incorporates a restaurant and bar, bowling and so on. But happy to discuss before reverting. Also buildings can be evicted as opposed to people, this comes up every now and again, seems to be a difference between common usage and academic usage perhaps - please see a discussion which
occurred during a previous GA reviewMujinga (
talk) 12:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Also as another general point, seems odd Ladronka isn't mentioned at
Anarchism in the Czech Republic, I'll add an appropriate mention with source if I come across one.
Mujinga (
talk) 12:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
It does strike me that there prob is more potential crossover between Anarchism in X and Squatting in X pages - are you still busy with AiX or have you changed focus? I've slowed down with SiX but still progressing.
Mujinga (
talk) 12:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Comments
History
Citation [1] needs a publication date (28 August 2004), editor credit (Kateřina Sekyrková), and a language tag (cs).
added lang tag, not sure if pub date and editor are needed on a web ref?
Mujinga (
talk) 12:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Spotcheck: [1] Verified, although I needed to go into a link on this page to find its exact address.
[1]
yeah I may as well just use that instead then, that's the "official site" of the activities centre, which is fine just for its address
Mujinga (
talk) 12:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
If it was built in 1340, then Charles wasn't yet the Holy Roman Emperor. At this point in time he would have been the
Margrave of Moravia.
wahaha you got me there I'll have to look into it :)
Mujinga (
talk) 12:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
You would be a fearsome pub quiz opponent :) Rejigged, hope it works better now
Mujinga (
talk) 12:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Spotcheck: [2] Verified most of the details. But I couldn't find a description of it as a "homestead". Are we sure this is the correct term?
I'd say so yes, added a link to spell out the connection to usedlost
Mujinga (
talk) 12:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Citation [3] needs a language tag (cs)
good point, sometimes it's automatic but maybe not for cs
Spotcheck: [3] Verified most of the details, although it appears that this text is mostly being sourced from citation [2]. (E.g. the year of purchase isn't mentioned in citation [3])
good point again, added 2.
Mujinga (
talk) 12:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I feel like there's some gaps in the timeline of its ownership. For example, citation [3] mentions that it had been turned into a farmstead by the 19th century; citation [2] details that the Sovereign Order of Malta owned it until the 20th century, and that it was used as a warehouse before the communist authorities turned it into flats.
i don't really get the bit about it becoming agricultural when it was already a vineyard but I added the rest
Mujinga (
talk) 12:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Self-managed social centre
Spotcheck: [3] Verified.
Any reason that citations [6] and [7] are each referenced inline twice within the same paragraphs? There aren't any quotes, so I'm confused as to why this is.
hmm strange, I'd hazard a guess I was adding info over time and didn't notice I was using the same ref(s). fixed
Mujinga (
talk) 15:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Citation [7] needs more details, such as publication date (April 2016), volume (IX) and issue (1-2), and page numbers (34-45).
ok went for activity centre
Mujinga (
talk) 10:41, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Citation [10] needs a publication date (22 February 2005), editor credit (Kateřina Sekyrková), and a language tag (cs).
as above, lang tag sure, pub date well ok i guess why not, but i don't think a website needs the editor credit
Mujinga (
talk) 15:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Are there any independent sources that can be used instead of ladronka.cz?
it's a website about skating at ladronka so i think it's ok for basic historical details (at this level at least) and i oculdn't find anything better
Mujinga (
talk) 15:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Any more recent news than 2005? It's been two decades since the renovation, I'm sure more things have happened since then.
true! will do another scan
Mujinga (
talk) 15:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
So checking sites like idnes, blesk, denik, pravo, I'm not really finding much to add. The park's recreational facilites were extended in 2009/2010, Ladronka gets mentioned sometimes in passing reference as regard other squats, that's about it.
Mujinga (
talk) 17:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I think even that wee detail would be worth adding. That at least brings the history closer by a few years. --
Grnrchst (
talk) 18:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
The bit about the park? I don't see it as particularly relevant to the building
Mujinga (
talk) 10:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I think it's relevant, just to show that it is being maintained. --
Grnrchst (
talk) 10:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
sure - I'm coming round to the idea and found a nice article to add stuff from
Mujinga (
talk) 11:41, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
added a sentence
Mujinga (
talk) 12:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
as a sidenote, I'm trying to make archive links but the bot is down 15:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Mujinga (
talk)
that went through eventually
Mujinga (
talk) 10:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Lead and infobox
Should probably clarify when it was built and the status of Charles at the time of construction.
added 1340, for me Charles IV is ok because that's how he is known now
Mujinga (
talk) 18:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Could probably do with another sentence about what was going on with the centre before its eviction. E.g. what the squatters did there, why it was evicted, etc.
A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with
the layout style guideline:
References should be filled out, where incomplete.
B.
Reliable sources are
cited inline. All content that
could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):
All text has an inline citation. Might be worth checking if the ladronka.cz sources can be replaced with sources more independent of the subject.
Spotchecks verify almost everything, although there's a minor issue with information being pulled from a different source than the one cited, and one possible case of iffy terminology.
Appears to be some gaps in the timeline, particularly as to what has happened with the centre since 2005. If sources on this exist, more information should be provided.
Image is relevant and appropriately captioned, including with alt text.
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
Very nicely-written article on the whole. My main issue with this article is really with completeness. It just reads to me as odd that an open and still-active centre doesn't have any information on it further than 2005. If more information can be found to fill in the gaps, I'd be more than happy to pass this. --
Grnrchst (
talk) 12:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Ohc that's a nice surprise, thanks for taking it on! I'm a bit busy IRL until the weekend, possibly next week even, but I can def get comments back to you in 7 days. As initial answer on completeness yes your point makes sense, I should look into it again and perhaps if I don't find much about recent activity then retitle the article to Ladronka (social centre), which as you probably guessed is my real focus here.
Mujinga (
talk) 14:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Just a comment re the "homestead", it's likely a translation of the Czech term "usedlost". Ladronka was one of many "usedlosti" which became part of Prague as the city expanded in the 19th century (
cs:Seznam pražských usedlostí). Our article
homestead (buildings) interwikis to
cs:Usedlost but other possibilities are "manor", "manor house" or "estate" (the latter might be a bit misleading). –
filelakeshoe (
t /
c)
🐱 15:23, 23 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Thanks Filelakeshoe, @
Grnrchst I've answered on everything now, see what you think. Happy full moon!
Mujinga (
talk) 18:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Mujinga Okay! Thanks for seeing to everything, I'm more than happy to pass this now. Nice work pal. :) --
Grnrchst (
talk) 12:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the review!
Mujinga (
talk) 17:33, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
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Hey there, I'm happy to take this one on for review. I've not reviewed an article about a squat yet, so I'm looking forward to it. --
Grnrchst (
talk) 12:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Starting with replies now - regarding recent edits, I wouldn't regard it as a
leisure centre - that has the connotation for me and our wikiarticle of being a sports-based place, like gym/swim/climbing wall. I'd say Ladronka is more of an activities centre since it incorporates a restaurant and bar, bowling and so on. But happy to discuss before reverting. Also buildings can be evicted as opposed to people, this comes up every now and again, seems to be a difference between common usage and academic usage perhaps - please see a discussion which
occurred during a previous GA reviewMujinga (
talk) 12:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Also as another general point, seems odd Ladronka isn't mentioned at
Anarchism in the Czech Republic, I'll add an appropriate mention with source if I come across one.
Mujinga (
talk) 12:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
It does strike me that there prob is more potential crossover between Anarchism in X and Squatting in X pages - are you still busy with AiX or have you changed focus? I've slowed down with SiX but still progressing.
Mujinga (
talk) 12:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Comments
History
Citation [1] needs a publication date (28 August 2004), editor credit (Kateřina Sekyrková), and a language tag (cs).
added lang tag, not sure if pub date and editor are needed on a web ref?
Mujinga (
talk) 12:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Spotcheck: [1] Verified, although I needed to go into a link on this page to find its exact address.
[1]
yeah I may as well just use that instead then, that's the "official site" of the activities centre, which is fine just for its address
Mujinga (
talk) 12:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
If it was built in 1340, then Charles wasn't yet the Holy Roman Emperor. At this point in time he would have been the
Margrave of Moravia.
wahaha you got me there I'll have to look into it :)
Mujinga (
talk) 12:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
You would be a fearsome pub quiz opponent :) Rejigged, hope it works better now
Mujinga (
talk) 12:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Spotcheck: [2] Verified most of the details. But I couldn't find a description of it as a "homestead". Are we sure this is the correct term?
I'd say so yes, added a link to spell out the connection to usedlost
Mujinga (
talk) 12:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Citation [3] needs a language tag (cs)
good point, sometimes it's automatic but maybe not for cs
Spotcheck: [3] Verified most of the details, although it appears that this text is mostly being sourced from citation [2]. (E.g. the year of purchase isn't mentioned in citation [3])
good point again, added 2.
Mujinga (
talk) 12:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I feel like there's some gaps in the timeline of its ownership. For example, citation [3] mentions that it had been turned into a farmstead by the 19th century; citation [2] details that the Sovereign Order of Malta owned it until the 20th century, and that it was used as a warehouse before the communist authorities turned it into flats.
i don't really get the bit about it becoming agricultural when it was already a vineyard but I added the rest
Mujinga (
talk) 12:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Self-managed social centre
Spotcheck: [3] Verified.
Any reason that citations [6] and [7] are each referenced inline twice within the same paragraphs? There aren't any quotes, so I'm confused as to why this is.
hmm strange, I'd hazard a guess I was adding info over time and didn't notice I was using the same ref(s). fixed
Mujinga (
talk) 15:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Citation [7] needs more details, such as publication date (April 2016), volume (IX) and issue (1-2), and page numbers (34-45).
ok went for activity centre
Mujinga (
talk) 10:41, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Citation [10] needs a publication date (22 February 2005), editor credit (Kateřina Sekyrková), and a language tag (cs).
as above, lang tag sure, pub date well ok i guess why not, but i don't think a website needs the editor credit
Mujinga (
talk) 15:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Are there any independent sources that can be used instead of ladronka.cz?
it's a website about skating at ladronka so i think it's ok for basic historical details (at this level at least) and i oculdn't find anything better
Mujinga (
talk) 15:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Any more recent news than 2005? It's been two decades since the renovation, I'm sure more things have happened since then.
true! will do another scan
Mujinga (
talk) 15:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
So checking sites like idnes, blesk, denik, pravo, I'm not really finding much to add. The park's recreational facilites were extended in 2009/2010, Ladronka gets mentioned sometimes in passing reference as regard other squats, that's about it.
Mujinga (
talk) 17:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I think even that wee detail would be worth adding. That at least brings the history closer by a few years. --
Grnrchst (
talk) 18:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
The bit about the park? I don't see it as particularly relevant to the building
Mujinga (
talk) 10:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I think it's relevant, just to show that it is being maintained. --
Grnrchst (
talk) 10:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
sure - I'm coming round to the idea and found a nice article to add stuff from
Mujinga (
talk) 11:41, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
added a sentence
Mujinga (
talk) 12:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
as a sidenote, I'm trying to make archive links but the bot is down 15:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Mujinga (
talk)
that went through eventually
Mujinga (
talk) 10:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Lead and infobox
Should probably clarify when it was built and the status of Charles at the time of construction.
added 1340, for me Charles IV is ok because that's how he is known now
Mujinga (
talk) 18:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Could probably do with another sentence about what was going on with the centre before its eviction. E.g. what the squatters did there, why it was evicted, etc.
A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with
the layout style guideline:
References should be filled out, where incomplete.
B.
Reliable sources are
cited inline. All content that
could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):
All text has an inline citation. Might be worth checking if the ladronka.cz sources can be replaced with sources more independent of the subject.
Spotchecks verify almost everything, although there's a minor issue with information being pulled from a different source than the one cited, and one possible case of iffy terminology.
Appears to be some gaps in the timeline, particularly as to what has happened with the centre since 2005. If sources on this exist, more information should be provided.
Image is relevant and appropriately captioned, including with alt text.
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
Very nicely-written article on the whole. My main issue with this article is really with completeness. It just reads to me as odd that an open and still-active centre doesn't have any information on it further than 2005. If more information can be found to fill in the gaps, I'd be more than happy to pass this. --
Grnrchst (
talk) 12:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Ohc that's a nice surprise, thanks for taking it on! I'm a bit busy IRL until the weekend, possibly next week even, but I can def get comments back to you in 7 days. As initial answer on completeness yes your point makes sense, I should look into it again and perhaps if I don't find much about recent activity then retitle the article to Ladronka (social centre), which as you probably guessed is my real focus here.
Mujinga (
talk) 14:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Just a comment re the "homestead", it's likely a translation of the Czech term "usedlost". Ladronka was one of many "usedlosti" which became part of Prague as the city expanded in the 19th century (
cs:Seznam pražských usedlostí). Our article
homestead (buildings) interwikis to
cs:Usedlost but other possibilities are "manor", "manor house" or "estate" (the latter might be a bit misleading). –
filelakeshoe (
t /
c)
🐱 15:23, 23 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Thanks Filelakeshoe, @
Grnrchst I've answered on everything now, see what you think. Happy full moon!
Mujinga (
talk) 18:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Mujinga Okay! Thanks for seeing to everything, I'm more than happy to pass this now. Nice work pal. :) --
Grnrchst (
talk) 12:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the review!
Mujinga (
talk) 17:33, 29 November 2023 (UTC)reply