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Why is the introduction to this article so long? Additionally, why does the introduction state that Lada has maintained its sales? I believe this to be patently untrue. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7979391.stm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spigot007 ( talk • contribs) 08:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
You are confusing Lada sales with total car sales. Russia is one of the world's fastest growing car markets. Nona 2al kelmetto w tamet yaged3an kosomen wiki share of the domestic market has fallen recently due to big increases in many other car brands either built in Russia (Russia apparently now makes more cars then Germany as of Dec 08) or being imported. Although their % share of the market is down, Lada sales have remained stable over the same period (it's just that they now share the market with many other brands that weren't there before).
Why is this article only about Lada cars in the UK?
I think this article nees lots of work or a direct transfer to the AutoVAZ article.
I think the person meant car market not car maker as Russia was still impoting most of its cars. See text below from http://rbth.ru/articles/2010/06/05/car_sector_stalls_foreigners_still_investing.html "And as a middle class emerges with access to consumer credit, Russia managed to briefly overtake Germany to become Europe’s biggest car market in the summer of 2008, selling 1.65 million units in the first half of the year, against Germany’s 1.6 million units". Maxzden Jun 28, 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxzden ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Lada was a brand name given to an export-specification range of Russian built cars. A discussion of Lada is essentially a discussion of Russian auto export. Sure, the article could be expanded with reference to markets other than the UK, but the UK experience was pretty typical. I think it is an interesting story even if it is limited in scope at present. Bob BScar23625 11:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
As far as I can tell the "Riva" was also being sold unter a different name - at least in Eastern Germany it was called "Nova senior" (2107) and "Nova junior" (2105). Misel 01:23, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
The article says that Ladas are manufactured in Tolyatti. Quite true, but the city was named after Palmiro Togliatti, the leader of the Italian Communist Party 1927-1964. Backwards transliteration is not always a good idea! SirteP ( talk) 15:08, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Twisp. You have added the image "Lada 2101". Is this a spoof?. Bob
ps I guess this may be in the vintage car section. Sorry to have doubted you. It looks like an early Lada from circa 1972. Bob BScar23625 17:36, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Lada Niva was never supposed to be an army-vehicle. From the very beginning it was planned to be built as an all-wheel drive vehicle combining comfort of an ordinary motorcar with advantages of a utilitarian off-roader. Later VAZ designed a military amphibian car using Niva underpinnings (this amphibian modification was designated VAZ-2122), but it was never produced - just a few prototypes are known to exist.
Papushin
You write :
VAZ 2101 was never exported therefore it was never called Lada
and have altered the title on the picture accordingly. How do you explain the fact that the car in the picture has a Lada badge on its front?.
Bob
BScar23625 14:15, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Papushin. OK, it sounds as if you know what you are talking about. But the car in the picture looks exactly like an early Lada. The main heading to the picture still describes it as a Lada. If you are sure it is not a Lada then perhaps you should remove the picture?. Bob BScar23625 05:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Papushin. I am neither a dealer nor a collector. I have owned a number of Lada cars and they all suited my motoring needs well. I found them cheap to run and easy to maintain. Also, they were big, solid cars. Bob BScar23625 16:16, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Papushin. It looks identical to an early Lada. The manufacturer describes it as a Lada. That is good enough for me. As`far as I am concerned, it is a Lada. Bob BScar23625 16:16, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Guys, as far as I remember, early Ladas built for foreign markets were designated in the following manner: Lada 1200 (ВАЗ-2101 in USSR market), Lada 1200 Estate (2102), Lada 1500, etc. (by anonymous user)
Well, I'm absolutely sure i've seen the brochures of 2101 and 2102 and even 2103 (quad headlight) for Finnish market. Ant those car were designated as Lada 1200 and Lada 1500. For example, check this link (British brochures from seventies) http://www.tocmp.com/brochures/Soviet/Lada/index.htm
The Fiat 124 variant WAS exported; It was badged as the Lada 1200. See the "Russian Runabouts" article in one of the Spring issues of Classics Monthly. Dominar_Rygel_XVI ( talk) 10:39, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I came up with a new article on Automobile model numbering system in USSR and Russia. Now I'm thinking how to better insert a link to it here and in Moskvitch article. Any suggestions? I'm trying to explain where all Russian model numbers come from. Papushin 22:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, so the names: the name of the factory is: VAZ (Volzhsky Avtomobilny Zavod = Volga Auto Plant)
I do not know exactly, but in the very early years it might have been possible that the cars were sold under the VAZ brand name but after that the name of the cars is "Zhighuli". The first machines were exported under this name to the socialist countries. This name is so hard to spell, thats why they used "Lada" in the western markets. After a while this name started to get used in the other markets as well. So the original VAZ 2101 name was "Lada 1200", VAZ 21011 was "Lada 1300", and VAZ 21013 was "Lada 1200s".
The pictures on the main page: the yellow car with "double cirlce lamps" is not a "Lada 1600", but a "Lada 1500". The differences: the radiator grill, the index lamps on th sides, and the bumpers. Although it's not viewable on this page there are other differnces: tail lights, seats, steering wheel, dasboard. Other great problem that the chrome moulding is missing from the car. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.226.240.165 ( talk • contribs)
Sorry, I was not aware of that. I guess I should have noted down the model numbers when taking the pics. I will change it to Lada 1500. Cheers, Asterion talk to me 18:17, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I am confused now. Check the third pic on this page [1] Asterion talk to me 18:23, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Not to worry, ignore that. I am positive that it is a 1500 now. It is a 1978 model with a 1452CC engine indeed. I just did a DVLA search :o) Asterion talk to me 18:30, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
The yellow car is vaz 2103 and it is called jiguli.it has 1451cc engine with 77 h.p. and it is 1972 model.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.222.175.145 ( talk • contribs)
Yes, it is a VAZ 1451cc but in the UK it was sold under the brand LADA, using model number 1500, first registered here in 1978. I verified the vehicle record myself in the DVLA database. Regards, E Asterion u talking to me? 23:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I must say (2 previous anonym) that VAZ cars were sold as Ladas EVERYWHERE outside of USSR. So it's rather logical to call them Ladas.
I'm currently driving a 1986 VAZ 2102 (station wagon) in the UK, available since 1974, as was the 2101 (saloon). In 1974 only, they were badged "Zhiguli" in Cyrillic, but from 1975, "Lada" with British-made painted aluminium badges. From about 1976 or 1977, Russian made "Lada" chromed badges appeared. The 2103 became available in 1975 and was discontinued in 1978, when the 2106 was imported in its place. I used to own one of the first British 2106s, but now own one of the last 2103s, which I am restoring. The first 2105 was sold in 1983, the 2107 in 1984 and the 2104 in 1986. 2108/9 "Samara" appeared in 1987 or 1988. The 21099 was available from 1992, I think. E P Hughes ( talk) 23:14, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
There was a Lada prototype released into the Geneva 2007 car show, it was called a Lada C-Classic. Why isnt it mentioned in this arcticle? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.192.246.56 ( talk) 15:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
What about something on the Lotus tuned special for Top Gear that they gave to a viewer. The one that had the black and silver Lotus-Talbot Sunbeam paint job and 2 litre Fiat twin cam? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.119.112.88 ( talk) 23:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Regarding the tidbit on the Samara 2, the car is still in production. I took the information about the production years from the Russian wikipedia.-- Paffka ( talk) 11:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm. My understanding has always been that the main Lada plant stopped building Samaras in 2004. Although, it is possible that they are still being built elsewhere. Witness "... recently the only Samaras to be built come from Finland. The original plant is building the new Vega or 2110 and other models." Ciao, 2004! BScar23625 ( talk) 13:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC) Bob
Well, what I can say for sure is that this Samara is still sold in Russia and Ukraine and likely other former USSR countries. Both Ukrainian and Russian official AvtoVAZ sites list it as a current model. Note that I am referring to the post-facelift Samara which is known as the Samara 2 (VAZ 2113, 2114, 2115), not the 2109 in your link.-- Paffka ( talk) 15:29, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I am glad to revise anything I can, lack of time being my only restraint. There's quite a lot of work to be done on this and other Lada-related pages. I'm just a bit baffled why we have to have a Lada and an AvtoVAZ page and not some kind of merge. The Vega is a rarely-used synonym for the VAZ 2110, the Lada 110 name being far more widespread. Can't really say anything more on the subject. As far as I know it was phased out of production recently, upon the introduction of the Priora sedan. Cheers.-- Paffka ( talk) 11:27, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't believe this entry and can find no evidence for the Lada Cosetor. The origianl contributor seems to have spread several false entries around. Can anyone confirm the existence of this model? Malcolma ( talk) 11:07, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Lada is back to Brazil.The lada niva will be selled again in Brazil, in 2009.See this site: Niva CAOA , in portuguese. Agre22 ( talk) 20:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)agre22
One of the big reasons for Lada's popularity with UK pensioners in the 80s was the seating. The seats were higher than most cars, and the seating position different, and they were much easier to get in and out of then western vehicles.
It might be worth mentioning the steering of the Lada Rivas. It did not use rack & pinion, and there was a large amount of backlash. This often frightened people the first time they drove it. IIRC it used a worm & screw mechanism, but I'm not sure what that is. On the plus side the steering was not affected by hitting a kerb, so no veering out of control like rack & pinion steering does in such a situation. 82.31.207.100 ( talk) 15:02, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
"I'm not sure what that is". See rack and pinion and worm drive. Pol098 ( talk) 14:17, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
WHY?
Can you tell me why I am redirected to this page as to the main meaning of the word "LADA"? Seriously, there are more common meanings of "LADA" in English. And the top meaning is Latent autoimmune diabetes, sad as it is. Liutas4x4 ( talk) 22:24, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
I didn't find any info on this car... (And it is strange that it should have a 5 liter V6, that is not common) I think it is a hoax (can be found under models-current) Nandee94 ( talk) 18:11, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Come on, people. The Lada jokes, the terrible quality. There's no smoke without fire. The article is actually incomplete without some kind of criticism section. The fact that there isn't one leads one to conclude that the article was either written by a satisfied Lada customer (it is possible, one imagines) or (even worse) somebody from the Lada organisation. 86.143.84.199 ( talk) 19:51, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Weird British jokes aside, obviously somebody liked Ladas - over 20 million of them were sold, the most popular model of any car ever made. Sure, it didn't appeal to everyone, but with a service life of 500,000km, it's no wonder it sold well. Santamoly ( talk) 06:59, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Weren't most of these sales in the Eastern Bloc or Third World? 175.39.6.131 ( talk) 02:55, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
In fact Ladas were exported to over 90 countries in the 1980s, with 3/5 of production earmarked for export and most of that went to western countries, primarily markets such as Germany, the Netherlands, France, Belgium etc. They were also sold in countries such as Canada, numerous countries in SE Asia, the Middle East/Africa (the standard taxi model in Cairo for many years was the Lada classic and Peugeot 504) and throughout South America. Claims that Lada had a captive audience are clearly incorrect (maxzden).
When I read this article, my feeling was that it lacked some criticism. My impression is that there is widespread belief, in North America, that they were a cheap ugly car. The article says they were replaced in North America by cheap South Korean cars, which seem aburd because it implies the Korean cars were just cheaper. South Korean cars are great cars. BashBrannigan ( talk) 05:46, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
What models of the Lada have airbags and when were they introduced? Which models have driver-only airbags, and both driver/passenger airbags? -- DMahalko ( talk) 02:22, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Lada cars and some 4x4 were sold in NZ in the 1970s for a brief period of about 3 years. A NZ dairy company sold millions of dollars of their products to Russia and the Russians refused to pay. Instead they said they would provide Lada cars as payment . The cars were imported by the dairy company and sold throughout NZ. It did not take long before customers realized that Ladas are an extremely poorly made and finished car.They broke down, they leaked, bits fell off.They became a by word for low quality. Some farmers found the 4 x 4 to be a better deal as it was so cheap and they were not worried about minor leaks, poor paint or finishing. They are generally considered to be the worst car by a long way, ever imported into NZ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.188.198.190 ( talk) 07:36, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Actually Ladas were imported into NZ from 1976 until the late 1990s and the Lada classic models (2103, 2015, 2107) proved very popular. Mine covered over 225,0000 mls with ease (over 26 years) and I only abandoned it when it was written off in an accident. There were certainly issues with quality control in the three years following the break-up of the Soviet Union (during which time Lada continued production under strained industrial circumstances and shortages of basic materials) but the quality improved to pre-break-up levels thereafter. As far as overall quality, Lada cars and 4-wd do very well in online owner surveys (other than those made from the time period mentioned). (Maxzden).
The page was recently moved without discussion in violation of WP:COMMONNAME. The move was reverted via a request at WP:RM. In future, please open a formal page move request on this talkpage. Dr. K. 19:28, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Not moved; consensus is clearly against the proposed move. bd2412 T 21:12, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Lada → Export of AvtoVAZ vehicles – Move to reflect the article's actual content - going by the title it's supposed to be about the Lada brand, but it's actually about exports. It previously included a short list of Lada vehicles that replicated similar content in the AvtoVAZ article and is now part of List of AvtoVAZ vehicles - nothing specific about the brand beyond the lede. Readers interested in knowing more about the Lada brand and the history of the plant that makes them should be directed to the AvtoVAZ article, because they would not find them here. If the WP:COMMONNAME is Lada, the other article should be renamed, forking content across two articles isn't a solution. eh bien mon prince ( talk) 19:35, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
A book source ( ISBN 978-1-25-004063-3) was removed as "non-professional". Frankly, I would think that any book sources would be welcome, given the current state of the article. Can someone explain why this source is unreliable? See reviews in The New York Times, The Guardian, and The Wall Street Journal. — Sangdeboeuf ( talk) 06:11, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
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Some information about the early Ladas gaining an affectionate following despite being "a byword for ugliness" according to one author was recently removed ( diff) because the author's "private opinion" is evidently not encyclopedic. Of course, it's the author's published opinion, so it's not exactly private, but in any case, this seems to be a pretty mainstream view. Peter Hamilton calls the car "the definitive backstop of the motoring hierarchy". The Telegraph calls it "ungainly and awkward". Another business writer calls it "poorly-built". Then there are all the jokes. And that's from just a brief search.
Whether "the early Ladas had almost the same appearance as their Fiat analogues and Fiat also worked on their design" as stated ( diff) is a non-sequitur. If reliable, published authors call the cars ugly and poorly-built, then that's what we say, following the policy of due weight. Wiki editors' personal interpretations and analyses don't belong. I'd suggest restoring some kind of info about the actual public reception to the cars, based on such publshed sources. Any suggestions are welcome. — Sangdeboeuf ( talk) 10:02, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
...general, unquestionable and accurate information that the reader will find helpful– actually, Wikipedia articles are based on published, reliable sources. This is long-standing practice as reflected in Wikipedia's core content policies. Nothing is "unquestionable"; Wikipedia does not take a stand on what is true, but rather represents the views of mainstream, published authors according to their prominence. Merely being true or even helpful does not make something encyclopedic.
Other sources, credible authors and millions of car owners have a different opinion. We can't prefer a few biased opinions over the rest– feel free to suggest reliable, published sources that provide a balanced overview of the issue, or even a contrary viewpoint. As of now the article lacks any such sources.
Parissien is not an expert in this field of knowledge and many of his claims, as many others, are dubious at best– reviewers in several major newspapers don't seem to think so. See above talk page section § Parissien, Life of the Automobile.
The page is about the existing brand which includes numerous completely different automobiles– the edit in question was in the "History" section, pretty clearly referring to early Lada models. Feel free to suggest a presentation that would make this clearer.
well-known facts that are actually the same in all works regarding this subject, it should therefore be easy to cite some third-party sources for these facts, so we don't have to rely on the company's own presentation, which can be biased even if all the individual statements are factual.
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Передняя "подвеска" такая же какие "стойки" самолётов или таки нет?
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176.59.194.139 ( talk) 13:05, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
The history has the older models, and the 'models' section is newer vehicles. It's confusing to open the models section and not find the older vehicles. And the 'history' section has information about the newer vehicles as well.
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See https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:ARDITGILA/Lada_(Automobilmarke) there are known problems concerning WP:NPOV -- Tom ( talk) 22:02, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
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Why is the introduction to this article so long? Additionally, why does the introduction state that Lada has maintained its sales? I believe this to be patently untrue. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7979391.stm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spigot007 ( talk • contribs) 08:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
You are confusing Lada sales with total car sales. Russia is one of the world's fastest growing car markets. Nona 2al kelmetto w tamet yaged3an kosomen wiki share of the domestic market has fallen recently due to big increases in many other car brands either built in Russia (Russia apparently now makes more cars then Germany as of Dec 08) or being imported. Although their % share of the market is down, Lada sales have remained stable over the same period (it's just that they now share the market with many other brands that weren't there before).
Why is this article only about Lada cars in the UK?
I think this article nees lots of work or a direct transfer to the AutoVAZ article.
I think the person meant car market not car maker as Russia was still impoting most of its cars. See text below from http://rbth.ru/articles/2010/06/05/car_sector_stalls_foreigners_still_investing.html "And as a middle class emerges with access to consumer credit, Russia managed to briefly overtake Germany to become Europe’s biggest car market in the summer of 2008, selling 1.65 million units in the first half of the year, against Germany’s 1.6 million units". Maxzden Jun 28, 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxzden ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Lada was a brand name given to an export-specification range of Russian built cars. A discussion of Lada is essentially a discussion of Russian auto export. Sure, the article could be expanded with reference to markets other than the UK, but the UK experience was pretty typical. I think it is an interesting story even if it is limited in scope at present. Bob BScar23625 11:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
As far as I can tell the "Riva" was also being sold unter a different name - at least in Eastern Germany it was called "Nova senior" (2107) and "Nova junior" (2105). Misel 01:23, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
The article says that Ladas are manufactured in Tolyatti. Quite true, but the city was named after Palmiro Togliatti, the leader of the Italian Communist Party 1927-1964. Backwards transliteration is not always a good idea! SirteP ( talk) 15:08, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Twisp. You have added the image "Lada 2101". Is this a spoof?. Bob
ps I guess this may be in the vintage car section. Sorry to have doubted you. It looks like an early Lada from circa 1972. Bob BScar23625 17:36, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Lada Niva was never supposed to be an army-vehicle. From the very beginning it was planned to be built as an all-wheel drive vehicle combining comfort of an ordinary motorcar with advantages of a utilitarian off-roader. Later VAZ designed a military amphibian car using Niva underpinnings (this amphibian modification was designated VAZ-2122), but it was never produced - just a few prototypes are known to exist.
Papushin
You write :
VAZ 2101 was never exported therefore it was never called Lada
and have altered the title on the picture accordingly. How do you explain the fact that the car in the picture has a Lada badge on its front?.
Bob
BScar23625 14:15, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Papushin. OK, it sounds as if you know what you are talking about. But the car in the picture looks exactly like an early Lada. The main heading to the picture still describes it as a Lada. If you are sure it is not a Lada then perhaps you should remove the picture?. Bob BScar23625 05:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Papushin. I am neither a dealer nor a collector. I have owned a number of Lada cars and they all suited my motoring needs well. I found them cheap to run and easy to maintain. Also, they were big, solid cars. Bob BScar23625 16:16, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Papushin. It looks identical to an early Lada. The manufacturer describes it as a Lada. That is good enough for me. As`far as I am concerned, it is a Lada. Bob BScar23625 16:16, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Guys, as far as I remember, early Ladas built for foreign markets were designated in the following manner: Lada 1200 (ВАЗ-2101 in USSR market), Lada 1200 Estate (2102), Lada 1500, etc. (by anonymous user)
Well, I'm absolutely sure i've seen the brochures of 2101 and 2102 and even 2103 (quad headlight) for Finnish market. Ant those car were designated as Lada 1200 and Lada 1500. For example, check this link (British brochures from seventies) http://www.tocmp.com/brochures/Soviet/Lada/index.htm
The Fiat 124 variant WAS exported; It was badged as the Lada 1200. See the "Russian Runabouts" article in one of the Spring issues of Classics Monthly. Dominar_Rygel_XVI ( talk) 10:39, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I came up with a new article on Automobile model numbering system in USSR and Russia. Now I'm thinking how to better insert a link to it here and in Moskvitch article. Any suggestions? I'm trying to explain where all Russian model numbers come from. Papushin 22:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, so the names: the name of the factory is: VAZ (Volzhsky Avtomobilny Zavod = Volga Auto Plant)
I do not know exactly, but in the very early years it might have been possible that the cars were sold under the VAZ brand name but after that the name of the cars is "Zhighuli". The first machines were exported under this name to the socialist countries. This name is so hard to spell, thats why they used "Lada" in the western markets. After a while this name started to get used in the other markets as well. So the original VAZ 2101 name was "Lada 1200", VAZ 21011 was "Lada 1300", and VAZ 21013 was "Lada 1200s".
The pictures on the main page: the yellow car with "double cirlce lamps" is not a "Lada 1600", but a "Lada 1500". The differences: the radiator grill, the index lamps on th sides, and the bumpers. Although it's not viewable on this page there are other differnces: tail lights, seats, steering wheel, dasboard. Other great problem that the chrome moulding is missing from the car. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.226.240.165 ( talk • contribs)
Sorry, I was not aware of that. I guess I should have noted down the model numbers when taking the pics. I will change it to Lada 1500. Cheers, Asterion talk to me 18:17, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I am confused now. Check the third pic on this page [1] Asterion talk to me 18:23, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Not to worry, ignore that. I am positive that it is a 1500 now. It is a 1978 model with a 1452CC engine indeed. I just did a DVLA search :o) Asterion talk to me 18:30, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
The yellow car is vaz 2103 and it is called jiguli.it has 1451cc engine with 77 h.p. and it is 1972 model.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.222.175.145 ( talk • contribs)
Yes, it is a VAZ 1451cc but in the UK it was sold under the brand LADA, using model number 1500, first registered here in 1978. I verified the vehicle record myself in the DVLA database. Regards, E Asterion u talking to me? 23:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I must say (2 previous anonym) that VAZ cars were sold as Ladas EVERYWHERE outside of USSR. So it's rather logical to call them Ladas.
I'm currently driving a 1986 VAZ 2102 (station wagon) in the UK, available since 1974, as was the 2101 (saloon). In 1974 only, they were badged "Zhiguli" in Cyrillic, but from 1975, "Lada" with British-made painted aluminium badges. From about 1976 or 1977, Russian made "Lada" chromed badges appeared. The 2103 became available in 1975 and was discontinued in 1978, when the 2106 was imported in its place. I used to own one of the first British 2106s, but now own one of the last 2103s, which I am restoring. The first 2105 was sold in 1983, the 2107 in 1984 and the 2104 in 1986. 2108/9 "Samara" appeared in 1987 or 1988. The 21099 was available from 1992, I think. E P Hughes ( talk) 23:14, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
There was a Lada prototype released into the Geneva 2007 car show, it was called a Lada C-Classic. Why isnt it mentioned in this arcticle? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.192.246.56 ( talk) 15:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
What about something on the Lotus tuned special for Top Gear that they gave to a viewer. The one that had the black and silver Lotus-Talbot Sunbeam paint job and 2 litre Fiat twin cam? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.119.112.88 ( talk) 23:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Regarding the tidbit on the Samara 2, the car is still in production. I took the information about the production years from the Russian wikipedia.-- Paffka ( talk) 11:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm. My understanding has always been that the main Lada plant stopped building Samaras in 2004. Although, it is possible that they are still being built elsewhere. Witness "... recently the only Samaras to be built come from Finland. The original plant is building the new Vega or 2110 and other models." Ciao, 2004! BScar23625 ( talk) 13:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC) Bob
Well, what I can say for sure is that this Samara is still sold in Russia and Ukraine and likely other former USSR countries. Both Ukrainian and Russian official AvtoVAZ sites list it as a current model. Note that I am referring to the post-facelift Samara which is known as the Samara 2 (VAZ 2113, 2114, 2115), not the 2109 in your link.-- Paffka ( talk) 15:29, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I am glad to revise anything I can, lack of time being my only restraint. There's quite a lot of work to be done on this and other Lada-related pages. I'm just a bit baffled why we have to have a Lada and an AvtoVAZ page and not some kind of merge. The Vega is a rarely-used synonym for the VAZ 2110, the Lada 110 name being far more widespread. Can't really say anything more on the subject. As far as I know it was phased out of production recently, upon the introduction of the Priora sedan. Cheers.-- Paffka ( talk) 11:27, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't believe this entry and can find no evidence for the Lada Cosetor. The origianl contributor seems to have spread several false entries around. Can anyone confirm the existence of this model? Malcolma ( talk) 11:07, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Lada is back to Brazil.The lada niva will be selled again in Brazil, in 2009.See this site: Niva CAOA , in portuguese. Agre22 ( talk) 20:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)agre22
One of the big reasons for Lada's popularity with UK pensioners in the 80s was the seating. The seats were higher than most cars, and the seating position different, and they were much easier to get in and out of then western vehicles.
It might be worth mentioning the steering of the Lada Rivas. It did not use rack & pinion, and there was a large amount of backlash. This often frightened people the first time they drove it. IIRC it used a worm & screw mechanism, but I'm not sure what that is. On the plus side the steering was not affected by hitting a kerb, so no veering out of control like rack & pinion steering does in such a situation. 82.31.207.100 ( talk) 15:02, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
"I'm not sure what that is". See rack and pinion and worm drive. Pol098 ( talk) 14:17, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
WHY?
Can you tell me why I am redirected to this page as to the main meaning of the word "LADA"? Seriously, there are more common meanings of "LADA" in English. And the top meaning is Latent autoimmune diabetes, sad as it is. Liutas4x4 ( talk) 22:24, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
I didn't find any info on this car... (And it is strange that it should have a 5 liter V6, that is not common) I think it is a hoax (can be found under models-current) Nandee94 ( talk) 18:11, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Come on, people. The Lada jokes, the terrible quality. There's no smoke without fire. The article is actually incomplete without some kind of criticism section. The fact that there isn't one leads one to conclude that the article was either written by a satisfied Lada customer (it is possible, one imagines) or (even worse) somebody from the Lada organisation. 86.143.84.199 ( talk) 19:51, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Weird British jokes aside, obviously somebody liked Ladas - over 20 million of them were sold, the most popular model of any car ever made. Sure, it didn't appeal to everyone, but with a service life of 500,000km, it's no wonder it sold well. Santamoly ( talk) 06:59, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Weren't most of these sales in the Eastern Bloc or Third World? 175.39.6.131 ( talk) 02:55, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
In fact Ladas were exported to over 90 countries in the 1980s, with 3/5 of production earmarked for export and most of that went to western countries, primarily markets such as Germany, the Netherlands, France, Belgium etc. They were also sold in countries such as Canada, numerous countries in SE Asia, the Middle East/Africa (the standard taxi model in Cairo for many years was the Lada classic and Peugeot 504) and throughout South America. Claims that Lada had a captive audience are clearly incorrect (maxzden).
When I read this article, my feeling was that it lacked some criticism. My impression is that there is widespread belief, in North America, that they were a cheap ugly car. The article says they were replaced in North America by cheap South Korean cars, which seem aburd because it implies the Korean cars were just cheaper. South Korean cars are great cars. BashBrannigan ( talk) 05:46, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
What models of the Lada have airbags and when were they introduced? Which models have driver-only airbags, and both driver/passenger airbags? -- DMahalko ( talk) 02:22, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Lada cars and some 4x4 were sold in NZ in the 1970s for a brief period of about 3 years. A NZ dairy company sold millions of dollars of their products to Russia and the Russians refused to pay. Instead they said they would provide Lada cars as payment . The cars were imported by the dairy company and sold throughout NZ. It did not take long before customers realized that Ladas are an extremely poorly made and finished car.They broke down, they leaked, bits fell off.They became a by word for low quality. Some farmers found the 4 x 4 to be a better deal as it was so cheap and they were not worried about minor leaks, poor paint or finishing. They are generally considered to be the worst car by a long way, ever imported into NZ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.188.198.190 ( talk) 07:36, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Actually Ladas were imported into NZ from 1976 until the late 1990s and the Lada classic models (2103, 2015, 2107) proved very popular. Mine covered over 225,0000 mls with ease (over 26 years) and I only abandoned it when it was written off in an accident. There were certainly issues with quality control in the three years following the break-up of the Soviet Union (during which time Lada continued production under strained industrial circumstances and shortages of basic materials) but the quality improved to pre-break-up levels thereafter. As far as overall quality, Lada cars and 4-wd do very well in online owner surveys (other than those made from the time period mentioned). (Maxzden).
The page was recently moved without discussion in violation of WP:COMMONNAME. The move was reverted via a request at WP:RM. In future, please open a formal page move request on this talkpage. Dr. K. 19:28, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Not moved; consensus is clearly against the proposed move. bd2412 T 21:12, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Lada → Export of AvtoVAZ vehicles – Move to reflect the article's actual content - going by the title it's supposed to be about the Lada brand, but it's actually about exports. It previously included a short list of Lada vehicles that replicated similar content in the AvtoVAZ article and is now part of List of AvtoVAZ vehicles - nothing specific about the brand beyond the lede. Readers interested in knowing more about the Lada brand and the history of the plant that makes them should be directed to the AvtoVAZ article, because they would not find them here. If the WP:COMMONNAME is Lada, the other article should be renamed, forking content across two articles isn't a solution. eh bien mon prince ( talk) 19:35, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
A book source ( ISBN 978-1-25-004063-3) was removed as "non-professional". Frankly, I would think that any book sources would be welcome, given the current state of the article. Can someone explain why this source is unreliable? See reviews in The New York Times, The Guardian, and The Wall Street Journal. — Sangdeboeuf ( talk) 06:11, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
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Some information about the early Ladas gaining an affectionate following despite being "a byword for ugliness" according to one author was recently removed ( diff) because the author's "private opinion" is evidently not encyclopedic. Of course, it's the author's published opinion, so it's not exactly private, but in any case, this seems to be a pretty mainstream view. Peter Hamilton calls the car "the definitive backstop of the motoring hierarchy". The Telegraph calls it "ungainly and awkward". Another business writer calls it "poorly-built". Then there are all the jokes. And that's from just a brief search.
Whether "the early Ladas had almost the same appearance as their Fiat analogues and Fiat also worked on their design" as stated ( diff) is a non-sequitur. If reliable, published authors call the cars ugly and poorly-built, then that's what we say, following the policy of due weight. Wiki editors' personal interpretations and analyses don't belong. I'd suggest restoring some kind of info about the actual public reception to the cars, based on such publshed sources. Any suggestions are welcome. — Sangdeboeuf ( talk) 10:02, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
...general, unquestionable and accurate information that the reader will find helpful– actually, Wikipedia articles are based on published, reliable sources. This is long-standing practice as reflected in Wikipedia's core content policies. Nothing is "unquestionable"; Wikipedia does not take a stand on what is true, but rather represents the views of mainstream, published authors according to their prominence. Merely being true or even helpful does not make something encyclopedic.
Other sources, credible authors and millions of car owners have a different opinion. We can't prefer a few biased opinions over the rest– feel free to suggest reliable, published sources that provide a balanced overview of the issue, or even a contrary viewpoint. As of now the article lacks any such sources.
Parissien is not an expert in this field of knowledge and many of his claims, as many others, are dubious at best– reviewers in several major newspapers don't seem to think so. See above talk page section § Parissien, Life of the Automobile.
The page is about the existing brand which includes numerous completely different automobiles– the edit in question was in the "History" section, pretty clearly referring to early Lada models. Feel free to suggest a presentation that would make this clearer.
well-known facts that are actually the same in all works regarding this subject, it should therefore be easy to cite some third-party sources for these facts, so we don't have to rely on the company's own presentation, which can be biased even if all the individual statements are factual.
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Передняя "подвеска" такая же какие "стойки" самолётов или таки нет?
.. всё так глухо ..
176.59.194.139 ( talk) 13:05, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
The history has the older models, and the 'models' section is newer vehicles. It's confusing to open the models section and not find the older vehicles. And the 'history' section has information about the newer vehicles as well.
Suggestion:
- Merge the history and models into one section OR - Rename "models" to "recent models" YeshuaAdoni ( talk) 10:44, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
See https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:ARDITGILA/Lada_(Automobilmarke) there are known problems concerning WP:NPOV -- Tom ( talk) 22:02, 27 October 2022 (UTC)