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This is a very unknown concept. But it is very important to understanding not only these Greeks put also to put Sparta in context. Everyone champions Athens but it is Sparta that had the praise of its contemporaries. This knowledge is VERY important and overlooked and not seen by many. WHEELER 18:02, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The extent of the cult of Sparta is sometimes understated. But you overstate it. It was limited first to a minority faction at Athens; then to certain philosophers who wrote of Lacedaemon as Utopia. In Greece, it was a cult of Sparta only; one of its credoes was the usually bad state of Spartan institutions before Lycurgus. No one extended it to the commercial cities of Corinth or Syracuse or Rhodes - all Dorian. The rustic cities of Crete are only praised as inspirations for Lycurgus, and the nature of that inspiration differs from author to author. Also:
Septentrionalis 20:49, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Why capitalize? It is a common noun, as perioikoi "by-dwellers" also is. Septentrionalis 17:39, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
In the present article (and in some related pages), "laconism" is presented as a synonyme for "laconophilia" (as the latter concept is described in this article).
I have personally never before heard or seen laconism used in this sense; but I'm not a native English speaker, and therefore might have missed it. On the other hand, I indeed have now and then heard and read laconism in the meaning defined in laconic phrase. I checked the on-line OED, which gives both senses; but marks the first sense (= laconophilia) as "rare".
If anyone (especially a native Engish speaker) has good reason to think that the sense laconophilia really is the dominating sense of laconism to-day (in general usage and/or in scolarly circles), all is well and good. Otherwise, I think I'll change this and the other articles to make them reflect the relative weights as given by the OED. JoergenB ( talk) 19:49, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Good! Changed some minor things... check it out! Bahnheckl ( talk) 18:46, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
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From Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome#Spartan mirage article needed. Useful sources on the Spartan mirage, which is not really here well-covered:
The topic should be well-covered in basically any Introduction of Ancient Greece course. See also textbooks. Eg Pomeroy et al Ancient Greece (4th edn 2017). Ifly6 ( talk) 04:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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This is a very unknown concept. But it is very important to understanding not only these Greeks put also to put Sparta in context. Everyone champions Athens but it is Sparta that had the praise of its contemporaries. This knowledge is VERY important and overlooked and not seen by many. WHEELER 18:02, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The extent of the cult of Sparta is sometimes understated. But you overstate it. It was limited first to a minority faction at Athens; then to certain philosophers who wrote of Lacedaemon as Utopia. In Greece, it was a cult of Sparta only; one of its credoes was the usually bad state of Spartan institutions before Lycurgus. No one extended it to the commercial cities of Corinth or Syracuse or Rhodes - all Dorian. The rustic cities of Crete are only praised as inspirations for Lycurgus, and the nature of that inspiration differs from author to author. Also:
Septentrionalis 20:49, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Why capitalize? It is a common noun, as perioikoi "by-dwellers" also is. Septentrionalis 17:39, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
In the present article (and in some related pages), "laconism" is presented as a synonyme for "laconophilia" (as the latter concept is described in this article).
I have personally never before heard or seen laconism used in this sense; but I'm not a native English speaker, and therefore might have missed it. On the other hand, I indeed have now and then heard and read laconism in the meaning defined in laconic phrase. I checked the on-line OED, which gives both senses; but marks the first sense (= laconophilia) as "rare".
If anyone (especially a native Engish speaker) has good reason to think that the sense laconophilia really is the dominating sense of laconism to-day (in general usage and/or in scolarly circles), all is well and good. Otherwise, I think I'll change this and the other articles to make them reflect the relative weights as given by the OED. JoergenB ( talk) 19:49, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Good! Changed some minor things... check it out! Bahnheckl ( talk) 18:46, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
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From Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome#Spartan mirage article needed. Useful sources on the Spartan mirage, which is not really here well-covered:
The topic should be well-covered in basically any Introduction of Ancient Greece course. See also textbooks. Eg Pomeroy et al Ancient Greece (4th edn 2017). Ifly6 ( talk) 04:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)