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For some reason the image_file, image_size, and image_caption attributes of the "Infobox Magazine" Template don't seem to be working properly... Lwangaman ( talk) 00:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
I would invite contributors to discuss here any modifications to the section of the article regarding La Civiltà Cattolica's stance towards anti-semitism. I noticed that many quotations tend to be biased, POV, and not objective. When reading the original sources referred to, the author does not say what has been printed in these statements. So I have corrected them to reflect the author's original statements.
Please also be careful about statements that are off topic. This article is about La Civiltà Cattolica, not about anti-semitism in the Catholic Church. Any further statements in this article must be strictly related to La Civiltà Cattolica's stance towards anti-semitism. -- Lwangaman ( talk) 02:25, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
So, in order to try to work together in a constructive manner, I will announce first some of the edits that I intend to do which may be questioned by user User:Yt95 and I shall discuss my motives, so that there be no confusion and a mutual consensus may be more easily reached. Here are the first two:
-- Lwangaman ( talk) 19:49, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
If there is a section entitled "Mission" that intends to give the mission statement of the periodical, then Zuccotti and Kertzer are hardly the ones to quote. Their works do not represent the mission statement of the periodical, they deal with the "Jewish question". In order to use scientific method, only direct sources should be quoted here, such as the founder of the periodical or other directly related sources. Please discuss before reverting again. -- Lwangaman ( talk) 18:58, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Just wanted to let user User:Afernand74 know that I appreciate his edit on the geographical coordinate system, apparently mine was in error, I was simply following the tag placement on Google Maps which is on the other building. If you know that the editorial headquarters are actually in the building slightly further south, good, we'll leave it like that. (I figure it's better to clarify almost every edit here to avoid confusion or incomprehension!) -- Lwangaman ( talk) 20:16, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure User:Yt95 quite understands the meaning of Christian apologetics. I don't see the point in deleting the statement. It really has nothing to do with the "Jewish question". It has to do with making arguments for faith issues against protestant theology and against secularist outlooks. This is what "polemical" refers to, instead of seeking dialog with protestant theologians or with the modern world, the tendency was to prove wrong the reasoning of protestants or secularists. And to say that this was typical of the 19th century does not exclude that this was so in the 20th also. But since the statement has to do with the founding of the journal in the 19th century, that statement serves to give some context. The purpose is to say that in the 19th century, when the journal was founded, this was going on. If you understand it differently please explain? -- Lwangaman ( talk) 14:42, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Please let me know if I am not understanding correctly, but I have the impression that the information added by User:Yt95 in this section is duplicate information. The same information is summed up in the following paragraph. It seems to be to be redundant... When you talk about "publishing the details of the new Italian race laws", that's exactly what is stated in the following paragraph when it says that the journal "commented favorably on the fascist 'Manifesto of Race'". -- Lwangaman ( talk) 15:04, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
The following text has recently been added: " "…his opponents, including the Jews, readily conceded that he was at heart a decent, chivalrous, generous and tolerant man. So there is not a lot of evidence to support his large effect on the views of Adolf Hitler." No page number is given for the assertion and on reading the passage available online [4] from the National Book Foundation we find "But Lueger, who had risen from modest circumstances and worked his way through the university, was a man of considerable intellectual attainments, and his opponents, including the Jews, readily conceded that he was at heart a decent, chivalrous, generous and tolerant man. Stefan Zweig, the eminent Austrian Jewish writer, who was growing up in Vienna at this time, has testified that Lueger never allowed his official anti-Semitism to stop him from being helpful and friendly to the Jews." i.e the the part about him having little or no influence on Hitler doesn't appear in the published text. Furthermore Shirer goes on to write "But in the end Hitler was forced to acknowledge the genius of this man [Lueger] who knew how to win the support of the masses, who understood modern social problems and the importance of propaganda and oratory in swaying the multitude...Here in a nutshell were the ideas and techniques which Hitler was later to use in constructing his own political party and in leading it to power in Germany". The only reference I can find on google search to the disputed text all link back to the Wikipedia article Karl Lueger and once again no page reference is given. I think the passage should be delted until somebody can provide a reference to a revised edition of the book in which Shirer adds the text claimed by this article. At that point I can expand the article with specific examples relating Lueger to the journal and to the Vatican support Lueger recieved with his own brand of anti-Semitism. Yt95 ( talk) 16:08, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
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For some reason the image_file, image_size, and image_caption attributes of the "Infobox Magazine" Template don't seem to be working properly... Lwangaman ( talk) 00:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
I would invite contributors to discuss here any modifications to the section of the article regarding La Civiltà Cattolica's stance towards anti-semitism. I noticed that many quotations tend to be biased, POV, and not objective. When reading the original sources referred to, the author does not say what has been printed in these statements. So I have corrected them to reflect the author's original statements.
Please also be careful about statements that are off topic. This article is about La Civiltà Cattolica, not about anti-semitism in the Catholic Church. Any further statements in this article must be strictly related to La Civiltà Cattolica's stance towards anti-semitism. -- Lwangaman ( talk) 02:25, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
So, in order to try to work together in a constructive manner, I will announce first some of the edits that I intend to do which may be questioned by user User:Yt95 and I shall discuss my motives, so that there be no confusion and a mutual consensus may be more easily reached. Here are the first two:
-- Lwangaman ( talk) 19:49, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
If there is a section entitled "Mission" that intends to give the mission statement of the periodical, then Zuccotti and Kertzer are hardly the ones to quote. Their works do not represent the mission statement of the periodical, they deal with the "Jewish question". In order to use scientific method, only direct sources should be quoted here, such as the founder of the periodical or other directly related sources. Please discuss before reverting again. -- Lwangaman ( talk) 18:58, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Just wanted to let user User:Afernand74 know that I appreciate his edit on the geographical coordinate system, apparently mine was in error, I was simply following the tag placement on Google Maps which is on the other building. If you know that the editorial headquarters are actually in the building slightly further south, good, we'll leave it like that. (I figure it's better to clarify almost every edit here to avoid confusion or incomprehension!) -- Lwangaman ( talk) 20:16, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure User:Yt95 quite understands the meaning of Christian apologetics. I don't see the point in deleting the statement. It really has nothing to do with the "Jewish question". It has to do with making arguments for faith issues against protestant theology and against secularist outlooks. This is what "polemical" refers to, instead of seeking dialog with protestant theologians or with the modern world, the tendency was to prove wrong the reasoning of protestants or secularists. And to say that this was typical of the 19th century does not exclude that this was so in the 20th also. But since the statement has to do with the founding of the journal in the 19th century, that statement serves to give some context. The purpose is to say that in the 19th century, when the journal was founded, this was going on. If you understand it differently please explain? -- Lwangaman ( talk) 14:42, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Please let me know if I am not understanding correctly, but I have the impression that the information added by User:Yt95 in this section is duplicate information. The same information is summed up in the following paragraph. It seems to be to be redundant... When you talk about "publishing the details of the new Italian race laws", that's exactly what is stated in the following paragraph when it says that the journal "commented favorably on the fascist 'Manifesto of Race'". -- Lwangaman ( talk) 15:04, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
The following text has recently been added: " "…his opponents, including the Jews, readily conceded that he was at heart a decent, chivalrous, generous and tolerant man. So there is not a lot of evidence to support his large effect on the views of Adolf Hitler." No page number is given for the assertion and on reading the passage available online [4] from the National Book Foundation we find "But Lueger, who had risen from modest circumstances and worked his way through the university, was a man of considerable intellectual attainments, and his opponents, including the Jews, readily conceded that he was at heart a decent, chivalrous, generous and tolerant man. Stefan Zweig, the eminent Austrian Jewish writer, who was growing up in Vienna at this time, has testified that Lueger never allowed his official anti-Semitism to stop him from being helpful and friendly to the Jews." i.e the the part about him having little or no influence on Hitler doesn't appear in the published text. Furthermore Shirer goes on to write "But in the end Hitler was forced to acknowledge the genius of this man [Lueger] who knew how to win the support of the masses, who understood modern social problems and the importance of propaganda and oratory in swaying the multitude...Here in a nutshell were the ideas and techniques which Hitler was later to use in constructing his own political party and in leading it to power in Germany". The only reference I can find on google search to the disputed text all link back to the Wikipedia article Karl Lueger and once again no page reference is given. I think the passage should be delted until somebody can provide a reference to a revised edition of the book in which Shirer adds the text claimed by this article. At that point I can expand the article with specific examples relating Lueger to the journal and to the Vatican support Lueger recieved with his own brand of anti-Semitism. Yt95 ( talk) 16:08, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
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