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User:Allie cabab, your edits were deleted because they were all POV and had no references. Personally, I don't doubt what you said was true, as I have had a lot of personal experience of this kind of charismatic church. However, in an encyclopedic article, those kinds of claims need to be substantiated with references to, eg, books, research, newspaper reports etc. David L Rattigan 21:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Just for future reference, and for anyone else who thinks they might be able to source some of these criticisms, here is a copy of the edit:
The church also runs clubs at local schools, these are called rock club, however they do not tell people straight away that they are a religion and so people go along and play on the game consoles that they provide and listen to the music and they have a good time. It is good for some people because they feel like they are involved and the people who run the club make people who otherwise may not have many friends feel like they have freinds. It is only after people have been coming to the clubs for a few weeks that they invite them to the abundant life centre and if you read the leaflets carefully you can work out that it is a religion if you are aware of them.
Some people think that the Abundant life church employ some un-ethical recruiting techniques, they do not tell people straight away what they are about. They put on presentations in schools assemblies calling themselves rock club and tell students that they are a charity that helps young people get the most out of their lives and tells them to come along to the abundant life centre in Bradford for concerts and fun. They do not mention at all that they are a religion. In some peoples view they should be more open about what they stand for before they get people socially dependant on being involved with the group before they tell them that it is a religion. This is very similar to the way that cults recrute making people dependant on them before they get them to do what they want.
I have placed a Notability tag on this article. I can find no significant external published references to this church - it appears not to qualify for inclusion here. If you have references that prove otherwise, please incorporate them within the body of the article. If not, I will suggest it be considered for deletion. 86.144.79.30 07:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Could someone with immediate access to Walker's book include and to the magazine articles (Christianity etc) add them in ta ( Be Dave 20:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC))
While re-writing to explain notability and add sources, I've removed part of the following passage:
I am unclear who the "they" are - is it Covenant, Abundant Life, other people in Bradford..? I have no particular objection to including this statement if someone who knows more about the subject can clarify. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CJPargeter ( talk • contribs) 08:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't really know where to begin on the changes that have been made on here recently. Advertising service times, the church continually refered to as "we" and not "they". Several spelling mistakes and totally un-encyclopaedic. The church is building a "relevant" church. Relevant to whom? Certainly not Hindus or Atheists. It has obviously been written by a young fan of the church and I don't condone that but, please keep your mawkish prasie for blog sites and other teen areas. Wikipedia is supposed to be informative and factual. I may have to wait until tomorrow to wade through and change this rubbish. TheFunhead ( talk) 21:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
As of late 2012, the senior leadership of the church has changed, such that while Paul and Glenda Scanlon remain on the team, Steve and Charlotte Gambill are now the lead pastors. The name of the organisation has also been simplified to Life Church UK. The article needs significant revision to bring the information up to date and move anachronistic information into history sections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Audacityne ( talk • contribs) 22:45, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
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User:Allie cabab, your edits were deleted because they were all POV and had no references. Personally, I don't doubt what you said was true, as I have had a lot of personal experience of this kind of charismatic church. However, in an encyclopedic article, those kinds of claims need to be substantiated with references to, eg, books, research, newspaper reports etc. David L Rattigan 21:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Just for future reference, and for anyone else who thinks they might be able to source some of these criticisms, here is a copy of the edit:
The church also runs clubs at local schools, these are called rock club, however they do not tell people straight away that they are a religion and so people go along and play on the game consoles that they provide and listen to the music and they have a good time. It is good for some people because they feel like they are involved and the people who run the club make people who otherwise may not have many friends feel like they have freinds. It is only after people have been coming to the clubs for a few weeks that they invite them to the abundant life centre and if you read the leaflets carefully you can work out that it is a religion if you are aware of them.
Some people think that the Abundant life church employ some un-ethical recruiting techniques, they do not tell people straight away what they are about. They put on presentations in schools assemblies calling themselves rock club and tell students that they are a charity that helps young people get the most out of their lives and tells them to come along to the abundant life centre in Bradford for concerts and fun. They do not mention at all that they are a religion. In some peoples view they should be more open about what they stand for before they get people socially dependant on being involved with the group before they tell them that it is a religion. This is very similar to the way that cults recrute making people dependant on them before they get them to do what they want.
I have placed a Notability tag on this article. I can find no significant external published references to this church - it appears not to qualify for inclusion here. If you have references that prove otherwise, please incorporate them within the body of the article. If not, I will suggest it be considered for deletion. 86.144.79.30 07:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Could someone with immediate access to Walker's book include and to the magazine articles (Christianity etc) add them in ta ( Be Dave 20:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC))
While re-writing to explain notability and add sources, I've removed part of the following passage:
I am unclear who the "they" are - is it Covenant, Abundant Life, other people in Bradford..? I have no particular objection to including this statement if someone who knows more about the subject can clarify. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CJPargeter ( talk • contribs) 08:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't really know where to begin on the changes that have been made on here recently. Advertising service times, the church continually refered to as "we" and not "they". Several spelling mistakes and totally un-encyclopaedic. The church is building a "relevant" church. Relevant to whom? Certainly not Hindus or Atheists. It has obviously been written by a young fan of the church and I don't condone that but, please keep your mawkish prasie for blog sites and other teen areas. Wikipedia is supposed to be informative and factual. I may have to wait until tomorrow to wade through and change this rubbish. TheFunhead ( talk) 21:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
As of late 2012, the senior leadership of the church has changed, such that while Paul and Glenda Scanlon remain on the team, Steve and Charlotte Gambill are now the lead pastors. The name of the organisation has also been simplified to Life Church UK. The article needs significant revision to bring the information up to date and move anachronistic information into history sections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Audacityne ( talk • contribs) 22:45, 2 January 2013 (UTC)