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I just editted the spelling from Kharkov to Kharkiv, since the article about the city is listed as "Kharkiv".-- 207.47.138.89 05:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I copied this sentence here because I was wondering about the meaning:
Is the sentence trying to say that only 15% of Ukranians believe that same-sex couples exist, or that 85% think that same-sex couples should be legislated against, or that only 15% of Ukranians support something like gay marriage? - Seth Mahoney 23:38, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
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I think it means 15% support the idea of same-sex couples. One thing in this article that intrigued me was the declaration that gays are exempt from military service. Do they ask this when draftees are inducted? Or do they get thrown out of the military when it's discovered they're gay? They used to do this in the Australian Army back in the 80's when they learned a soldier was gay, but I don't remember being asked if I was gay or not when I signed up.
The reason I ask is that it would be a swell way to dodge military service by "outing" yourself. Do you need to prove it to anyone or does the draft board take your word for it? Just curious. Peter1968 09:09, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
I am glad the subject of gay rights in my country is discussed here. I'll ask a lawyer as for military exemtion for gays on the basis that homosexuality's still considered a mental disorder here (is it really?). I know it for a dact that Ukraine was the first Ex-Soviet state to have abolished the infamous criminal law article punishing ays through imprisonment in 1991 (which, ironically, was only applicable to gay men and not to gay women). Also, the current president Yuschenko never said a word to support gay Ukrainians, so I don't think he's any supportive.
Keep the discussion going!
Greetings from Ukraine —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chevere ( talk • contribs) 12:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
To whom it may concern: Wikipedia articles' talk pages are not for the general "discussions" of the articles' topic. Especially for a nonsense like references to Chechen wars. Wishes. Ukrained2012 ( talk) 23:21, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Ladies and gentlemen, the sources for this article are certainly bad. But not as bad as their correct attribution to the particular claims in the text. Hope those sources do not really state that ethnic Ukrainian gays are undertolerated by the Ukrainian society). Needs a lot of work. Ukrained2012 ( talk) 23:21, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Well controversial Ukrainian subjects who are not associated with greatness/national pride always get less attention from editors of Wikipedia; hence Ivan Mazepa's Wiki-article is in a good state and this one and Jews in Ukraine look like crap... (At times I felt like the only one editing the later 2 was I...) — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:32, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm that this is true? It says both are legal, but how??? If same-sex couples are not permitted to adopt, surely gay couples don't have access to surrogacy. And as for lesbian couples...well if a single women has an access to IVF that is fine, but that doesn't mean a lesbian couple can do the same. For lesbian couples to have access to IVF would mean that lesbian couples are recognised by law, and in Ukraine they are not. Just because one women who lives with another women can do it doesn't mean they will both be recgnised as parents. 11Raccoon1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 11raccoon1 ( talk • contribs) 12:55, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph (introduction), last line. This is a random statistic that is not relevant. We are talking about Ukraine, not Russia. If we want to include Ukraine's neighbours as a comparison, then include ALL or at least a sizeable representation of them. "Russia, with 25%, had the lowest percent of support. [4]"
This is a stand-alone statistic that looks like an after-thought and does not make sense.
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You also have to visit it "usually placed in the same wards with patients who are mentally Ill" place if you want to get a driver's license simply because it is a place of work of doctors psychiatrists. So I think that this is "usually placed in the same wards with patients who are mentally Ill" unnecessary clarification — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.150.122.66 ( talk) 17:01, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
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the link for reference 35 links to live cam pornn: "Ukraine has lifted the ban on blood donation for homosexuals | Gay News Europe | Gay news, entertainment, celebrities, family and stories". the hyper link is porn. Someone should probably change that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7BB4:E500:F831:192:7E17:D8B2 ( talk) 01:23, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
A clique of editors seem to be implementing a purge of any mentionings of notable LGBTQ Ukrainians and LGBTQ activism in Ukraine.
In particular, the corresponding section in the List of people from Ukraine listing notable LGBTQ Ukrainians and Ukrainian LGBTQ activists with Wikipedia pages, has been first censored and then completely purged by this clique of editors, under the obviously false pretext of such entries in the list being "unecyclopedic"(!).
Please review the following revision history, between July 27 and July 29, 2020 , https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_people_from_Ukraine&action=history .
The purged list of notable LGBTQ Ukrainians and Ukrainian LGBTQ activists is as follows:
LGBTQ Ukrainians, pro-European and pro-Western LGBTQ Ukrainian activists
Please help to monitor and report the disruptive anti-LGBTQ editors and please help to edit List of people from Ukraine so that it objectively reflects the role of the LGBTQ people in the past, current and future Ukrainian politics, life, arts and science!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/2601:646:8500:2DD0:D429:B0BF:9012:558F) 1 August 2020
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Following the news in Ukraine and/or being a reader of LGBT rights in Ukraine#Pride parades and rallies you could have noticed that pride parades and rallies are now annually happening Ukraine's biggest cities since about 2019. The last one being held in Zaporizhia a few days ago. My question is if its still worth mentioning all of them in this Wikipedia article or should they only be listed at the Wikipedia page List of LGBT events? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:02, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
according to my Ukrainian attorney, commercial surrogacy in Ukraine is legal for heterosexual married couples. might go looking for a public source and then edit the table. 63.81.44.34 ( talk) 22:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
WIKIPedia Summary Style. Disagreement - Different readers want varying amounts of detail, and this style permits them to choose how much they are exposed to. Some readers need just a quick summary and are satisfied by the lead section; others seek a moderate amount of info, and will find the main article suitable to their needs; yet others want a lot of detail, and will be interested in reading the side articles. 142.189.112.124 ( talk) 21:08, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
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Public Interest Contentdoes not mean we can add it to the article. Content should be referenced according to Wikipedia's reliable source policy with no original research. Your additions do not cite reliable sources (at least one of them cited Wikipedia, which is a big no-no. Additionally, material given in the lead should also exist in the body of the article. If you can't provide reliable sources to demonstrate that these are the salient points on LGBT rights in Ukraine, then that material doesn't belong in the lead. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 21:38, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
( edit conflict)The onus is on you, despite what you claim above. Everything you wrote below here does not indicate why, specifically, the points you bulleted in the lead should be in the lead and summarized in a non-standard fashion. I reverted you once, others reverted you once or twice. Don't accuse anyone of vandalism again or you may receive a block; a warning will be added to your page. If you want an example of good leads that summarize correctly, see LGBT rights in the United States and LGBT rights in Uganda. Don't ping me again, please. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 22:27, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Regarding your comment about the use of bullet points being idiosyncratic, yes, wikipedia is currently trying to change the long verbose style used in the lead to a more summary style more consistent with bullet points and key takeaways. It is specifically intended objective to enhance readability of casual readers.
bullet points and key takeawaysin lead sections; that does not accord with MOS:LEAD. I think that
wikipedia is currently trying to change the long verbose styleis simply not true. The "key takeaways" style information you are discussing is already present in the infobox; that is the appropriate format for using information, as you can see in this article and other articles on LGBT rights in other territories.
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I just editted the spelling from Kharkov to Kharkiv, since the article about the city is listed as "Kharkiv".-- 207.47.138.89 05:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I copied this sentence here because I was wondering about the meaning:
Is the sentence trying to say that only 15% of Ukranians believe that same-sex couples exist, or that 85% think that same-sex couples should be legislated against, or that only 15% of Ukranians support something like gay marriage? - Seth Mahoney 23:38, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
--
I think it means 15% support the idea of same-sex couples. One thing in this article that intrigued me was the declaration that gays are exempt from military service. Do they ask this when draftees are inducted? Or do they get thrown out of the military when it's discovered they're gay? They used to do this in the Australian Army back in the 80's when they learned a soldier was gay, but I don't remember being asked if I was gay or not when I signed up.
The reason I ask is that it would be a swell way to dodge military service by "outing" yourself. Do you need to prove it to anyone or does the draft board take your word for it? Just curious. Peter1968 09:09, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
I am glad the subject of gay rights in my country is discussed here. I'll ask a lawyer as for military exemtion for gays on the basis that homosexuality's still considered a mental disorder here (is it really?). I know it for a dact that Ukraine was the first Ex-Soviet state to have abolished the infamous criminal law article punishing ays through imprisonment in 1991 (which, ironically, was only applicable to gay men and not to gay women). Also, the current president Yuschenko never said a word to support gay Ukrainians, so I don't think he's any supportive.
Keep the discussion going!
Greetings from Ukraine —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chevere ( talk • contribs) 12:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
To whom it may concern: Wikipedia articles' talk pages are not for the general "discussions" of the articles' topic. Especially for a nonsense like references to Chechen wars. Wishes. Ukrained2012 ( talk) 23:21, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Ladies and gentlemen, the sources for this article are certainly bad. But not as bad as their correct attribution to the particular claims in the text. Hope those sources do not really state that ethnic Ukrainian gays are undertolerated by the Ukrainian society). Needs a lot of work. Ukrained2012 ( talk) 23:21, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Well controversial Ukrainian subjects who are not associated with greatness/national pride always get less attention from editors of Wikipedia; hence Ivan Mazepa's Wiki-article is in a good state and this one and Jews in Ukraine look like crap... (At times I felt like the only one editing the later 2 was I...) — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:32, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm that this is true? It says both are legal, but how??? If same-sex couples are not permitted to adopt, surely gay couples don't have access to surrogacy. And as for lesbian couples...well if a single women has an access to IVF that is fine, but that doesn't mean a lesbian couple can do the same. For lesbian couples to have access to IVF would mean that lesbian couples are recognised by law, and in Ukraine they are not. Just because one women who lives with another women can do it doesn't mean they will both be recgnised as parents. 11Raccoon1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 11raccoon1 ( talk • contribs) 12:55, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph (introduction), last line. This is a random statistic that is not relevant. We are talking about Ukraine, not Russia. If we want to include Ukraine's neighbours as a comparison, then include ALL or at least a sizeable representation of them. "Russia, with 25%, had the lowest percent of support. [4]"
This is a stand-alone statistic that looks like an after-thought and does not make sense.
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talk)
01:12, 25 March 2015 (UTC)Geno
You also have to visit it "usually placed in the same wards with patients who are mentally Ill" place if you want to get a driver's license simply because it is a place of work of doctors psychiatrists. So I think that this is "usually placed in the same wards with patients who are mentally Ill" unnecessary clarification — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.150.122.66 ( talk) 17:01, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
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the link for reference 35 links to live cam pornn: "Ukraine has lifted the ban on blood donation for homosexuals | Gay News Europe | Gay news, entertainment, celebrities, family and stories". the hyper link is porn. Someone should probably change that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7BB4:E500:F831:192:7E17:D8B2 ( talk) 01:23, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
A clique of editors seem to be implementing a purge of any mentionings of notable LGBTQ Ukrainians and LGBTQ activism in Ukraine.
In particular, the corresponding section in the List of people from Ukraine listing notable LGBTQ Ukrainians and Ukrainian LGBTQ activists with Wikipedia pages, has been first censored and then completely purged by this clique of editors, under the obviously false pretext of such entries in the list being "unecyclopedic"(!).
Please review the following revision history, between July 27 and July 29, 2020 , https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_people_from_Ukraine&action=history .
The purged list of notable LGBTQ Ukrainians and Ukrainian LGBTQ activists is as follows:
LGBTQ Ukrainians, pro-European and pro-Western LGBTQ Ukrainian activists
Please help to monitor and report the disruptive anti-LGBTQ editors and please help to edit List of people from Ukraine so that it objectively reflects the role of the LGBTQ people in the past, current and future Ukrainian politics, life, arts and science!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/2601:646:8500:2DD0:D429:B0BF:9012:558F) 1 August 2020
References
Following the news in Ukraine and/or being a reader of LGBT rights in Ukraine#Pride parades and rallies you could have noticed that pride parades and rallies are now annually happening Ukraine's biggest cities since about 2019. The last one being held in Zaporizhia a few days ago. My question is if its still worth mentioning all of them in this Wikipedia article or should they only be listed at the Wikipedia page List of LGBT events? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:02, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
according to my Ukrainian attorney, commercial surrogacy in Ukraine is legal for heterosexual married couples. might go looking for a public source and then edit the table. 63.81.44.34 ( talk) 22:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
WIKIPedia Summary Style. Disagreement - Different readers want varying amounts of detail, and this style permits them to choose how much they are exposed to. Some readers need just a quick summary and are satisfied by the lead section; others seek a moderate amount of info, and will find the main article suitable to their needs; yet others want a lot of detail, and will be interested in reading the side articles. 142.189.112.124 ( talk) 21:08, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Edit history involved
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Public Interest Contentdoes not mean we can add it to the article. Content should be referenced according to Wikipedia's reliable source policy with no original research. Your additions do not cite reliable sources (at least one of them cited Wikipedia, which is a big no-no. Additionally, material given in the lead should also exist in the body of the article. If you can't provide reliable sources to demonstrate that these are the salient points on LGBT rights in Ukraine, then that material doesn't belong in the lead. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 21:38, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
( edit conflict)The onus is on you, despite what you claim above. Everything you wrote below here does not indicate why, specifically, the points you bulleted in the lead should be in the lead and summarized in a non-standard fashion. I reverted you once, others reverted you once or twice. Don't accuse anyone of vandalism again or you may receive a block; a warning will be added to your page. If you want an example of good leads that summarize correctly, see LGBT rights in the United States and LGBT rights in Uganda. Don't ping me again, please. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 22:27, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Regarding your comment about the use of bullet points being idiosyncratic, yes, wikipedia is currently trying to change the long verbose style used in the lead to a more summary style more consistent with bullet points and key takeaways. It is specifically intended objective to enhance readability of casual readers.
bullet points and key takeawaysin lead sections; that does not accord with MOS:LEAD. I think that
wikipedia is currently trying to change the long verbose styleis simply not true. The "key takeaways" style information you are discussing is already present in the infobox; that is the appropriate format for using information, as you can see in this article and other articles on LGBT rights in other territories.
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 29 January 2024 and 15 May 2024. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
X0730420210 (
article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by X0730420210 ( talk) 19:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)