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The members section of this page is easily the most vandalized. A lot of people 'hacked at the L0pht' like, a lot. It was a pretty open space, especially during parties and what not. However actual members only numbered around 11 and over the eight or so years of L0pht's existence it only had about 7 members at any one time. It is these few people who actually helped pay the rent and had a say in the weekly meetings. Saying someone 'hacked at the L0pht' or went to a L0pht party or even had a shell account on the L0pht.com box did NOT make them 'members of the L0pht'.
2018.07.10 - Once again we are starting to see vandalism in this section. Probably due to the upcoming Defcon talk. Any additions to the membership list should be supported by strong valid citations. If the citation reads 'hacked at', 'partied at', 'hung out at', that does not equal 'member of'. - E
Ya know I hate editing this page myself but people keep posting inacurate information. We never accepted dues. We did take donations of old hardware but not in exchange for membership or anything. We did sell stuff but that didn't make people a member anymore than buying a quater pounder makes you a member of McDonalds. - SR
OK, not sure who put the dues crap back in thier but we NEVER accepted DUES! - SR
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Isn't their name L0pht rather than LØpht? I was under the impression that the slash across the zero in their logo is because that's how zeroes are rendered in some typewriter fonts, not because it's an
Ø. --
Delirium 17:35, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
yOU FORGOT TO Mention that they also used to have an office in downtown Bethesda Maryland when they were renamed as @Stake.
I thikn this entry should be listed under 'Hacker groups" if there is a such a catagory. We didn;t really become a company until after the merger with @Stake.
Would Category:Companies of the United States be appropriate for the article?
(or a sub category of Category:Companies of the United States by state instead, if someone knows the state.)
-- Easyas12c 09:55, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
L0pht was incorporated as LHI Technologies in the Commonwealth of MA. It showed a profit prior to @stake's purchase. It was a business.
Where are the old LØpht members now? do they still work for Symantec? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.148.80 ( talk) 12:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
None of them are at Symantec anymore, no. They'll be having a reunion at a security conference in Boston in March, no doubt there'll be updates in the press on their current activities when that happens. Scalefree ( talk) 18:33, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah it was Greenmac backwards but I guess that part has been deleted from the page anyway.
observation that may suggest a corection since i know next to nothing about this topic i will not make a change myself.
the part that says:
Hence the name was 'Camneerg' or 'Macgreen' backwards.
should say: Hence the name was 'Camneerg' or 'GreenMac' backwards.
L0pht used to have a program where people could make donations and have an associate membership. Please do not remove the blurb about it. Rewrite it if it sux but don't remove it completely, because it's a true fact. I know that Desperado, Archangel, and others from the alt.2600 group used to have such memberships. If anyone disputes this, please discuss it here before removing the content. I doubt if anyone actually wants to rewrite history, it's just one of those little footnotes that is easy to miss. Matt Brennen 02:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Scalefree 01:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Scalefree you are correct. Matt Brennen you are wrong. I'm Space Rogue, I was a member of the L0pht, I should know. People could not buy memberships. Period. I don't know who those two people are you mentioned, never heard of them. Desperado and Archangel may have had accounts on the l0pht.com box, (it has been so long it is hard to remember) but they were not members of L0pht in any shape or form. No different than buying a shell account from someone today, doing so does NOT make you a memeber of thier organization. Myles Long, you are correct, find a primary source that can refute the testimony of someone who was there (ME) and I will let the content stand and stop deleteing it. But since it is you Matt who are attempting to rewrite history the comments will be deleted. If you want to discuss offline email me spacerog AT spacerogue DOT net. - SR
OK, I added a bunch of stuff about products and shell accounts. I hope that clears things a bit. Again, if you have questions email me. - SR
It's happing right now as I type this. Although I was not able to attend SOURCE Boston, my Twitter feed has been feeding me little tidbits from this reunion of a few members of L0pht. The blog and news entries should show up over the weekend and I'll add them here. Is there a particular way anyone would like to see this attached to the main article?
I'll stay on the hunt for flickr streams and other assorted info.
SOURCEboston live blog with photo
http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=144609&WT.svl=news1_2
http://masshightech.bizjournals.com/masshightech/stories/2008/03/03/story8.html
Wintr ( talk) 18:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
How do you cite something when it was never written down? How are first person accounts cited? I would hate to edit the page myself but most of the stuff on the page that says 'citation needed' is only available in my head. - Space Rogue —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.22.160.76 ( talk) 17:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
OK, I added some citations and re-added the members sections, hopefully with the proper cites. I'm sure I got the formats of the citations wrong so if you know how please fix thanks. Still unsure how to cite the stuff in my head. I'll keep looking for published interviews and stuff but they may not exist. - Space Rogue
The academic format for primary source citation is normally "Pers. Comm." with the date and other relevant information for the communication. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.82.52.4 ( talk) 12:45, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
At the end of the paragraph of "Products" one may read: "custom security coding for companies like NFR.[8][9]". I don't know what NFR is, and I therefore think that it should be linked to its corresponding article. ( NFR is not enough) / Tense ( talk) 11:24, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Im wondernig why this page is on Wikipedia. I stumbled over it, and it is totally incrompehensible to me what this group did, and why it is worthy of a wp entry. i guess that it should be clear from the entry, but that just says its been famous, without reference. -- eiland ( talk) 17:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure about the accuracy or neutrality of this term. Is there even such a thing as a "hacker think tank"? -- OlEnglish ( Talk) 01:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
If you noticed, l0pht is back up and running, 6 of the original 8 have come back at DEFCON. Portalcake ( talk) 12:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)Portalcake
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The current Maintenance template claiming additional citations need is from 2008. The page now has over 35 separate cites. Any objections to removing this template? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eatoz ( talk • contribs) 20:40, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Looks like an anonymous editor added the names of two of the groups wives to the first paragraph of the history section but without a citation. Would appreciate a link confirming this information.
Alicia was married to Count Zero (John Lester) in case that helps. I'm having a hard time finding references to her. I believe they divorced in the mid 1990s. I didn't know her very well.
Stefan01902 ( talk) 16:05, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
Mudge is Twitter Whistle-blower and testified to Senate Judiciary Sept 13, 2022. I propose that fact be added to this page. 2600:1700:A6A0:5AF0:66F1:C04C:F1F6:A854 ( talk) 20:55, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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The members section of this page is easily the most vandalized. A lot of people 'hacked at the L0pht' like, a lot. It was a pretty open space, especially during parties and what not. However actual members only numbered around 11 and over the eight or so years of L0pht's existence it only had about 7 members at any one time. It is these few people who actually helped pay the rent and had a say in the weekly meetings. Saying someone 'hacked at the L0pht' or went to a L0pht party or even had a shell account on the L0pht.com box did NOT make them 'members of the L0pht'.
2018.07.10 - Once again we are starting to see vandalism in this section. Probably due to the upcoming Defcon talk. Any additions to the membership list should be supported by strong valid citations. If the citation reads 'hacked at', 'partied at', 'hung out at', that does not equal 'member of'. - E
Ya know I hate editing this page myself but people keep posting inacurate information. We never accepted dues. We did take donations of old hardware but not in exchange for membership or anything. We did sell stuff but that didn't make people a member anymore than buying a quater pounder makes you a member of McDonalds. - SR
OK, not sure who put the dues crap back in thier but we NEVER accepted DUES! - SR
—The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
70.19.242.167 (
talk)
17:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC).
Isn't their name L0pht rather than LØpht? I was under the impression that the slash across the zero in their logo is because that's how zeroes are rendered in some typewriter fonts, not because it's an
Ø. --
Delirium 17:35, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
yOU FORGOT TO Mention that they also used to have an office in downtown Bethesda Maryland when they were renamed as @Stake.
I thikn this entry should be listed under 'Hacker groups" if there is a such a catagory. We didn;t really become a company until after the merger with @Stake.
Would Category:Companies of the United States be appropriate for the article?
(or a sub category of Category:Companies of the United States by state instead, if someone knows the state.)
-- Easyas12c 09:55, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
L0pht was incorporated as LHI Technologies in the Commonwealth of MA. It showed a profit prior to @stake's purchase. It was a business.
Where are the old LØpht members now? do they still work for Symantec? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.148.80 ( talk) 12:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
None of them are at Symantec anymore, no. They'll be having a reunion at a security conference in Boston in March, no doubt there'll be updates in the press on their current activities when that happens. Scalefree ( talk) 18:33, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah it was Greenmac backwards but I guess that part has been deleted from the page anyway.
observation that may suggest a corection since i know next to nothing about this topic i will not make a change myself.
the part that says:
Hence the name was 'Camneerg' or 'Macgreen' backwards.
should say: Hence the name was 'Camneerg' or 'GreenMac' backwards.
L0pht used to have a program where people could make donations and have an associate membership. Please do not remove the blurb about it. Rewrite it if it sux but don't remove it completely, because it's a true fact. I know that Desperado, Archangel, and others from the alt.2600 group used to have such memberships. If anyone disputes this, please discuss it here before removing the content. I doubt if anyone actually wants to rewrite history, it's just one of those little footnotes that is easy to miss. Matt Brennen 02:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Scalefree 01:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Scalefree you are correct. Matt Brennen you are wrong. I'm Space Rogue, I was a member of the L0pht, I should know. People could not buy memberships. Period. I don't know who those two people are you mentioned, never heard of them. Desperado and Archangel may have had accounts on the l0pht.com box, (it has been so long it is hard to remember) but they were not members of L0pht in any shape or form. No different than buying a shell account from someone today, doing so does NOT make you a memeber of thier organization. Myles Long, you are correct, find a primary source that can refute the testimony of someone who was there (ME) and I will let the content stand and stop deleteing it. But since it is you Matt who are attempting to rewrite history the comments will be deleted. If you want to discuss offline email me spacerog AT spacerogue DOT net. - SR
OK, I added a bunch of stuff about products and shell accounts. I hope that clears things a bit. Again, if you have questions email me. - SR
It's happing right now as I type this. Although I was not able to attend SOURCE Boston, my Twitter feed has been feeding me little tidbits from this reunion of a few members of L0pht. The blog and news entries should show up over the weekend and I'll add them here. Is there a particular way anyone would like to see this attached to the main article?
I'll stay on the hunt for flickr streams and other assorted info.
SOURCEboston live blog with photo
http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=144609&WT.svl=news1_2
http://masshightech.bizjournals.com/masshightech/stories/2008/03/03/story8.html
Wintr ( talk) 18:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
How do you cite something when it was never written down? How are first person accounts cited? I would hate to edit the page myself but most of the stuff on the page that says 'citation needed' is only available in my head. - Space Rogue —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.22.160.76 ( talk) 17:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
OK, I added some citations and re-added the members sections, hopefully with the proper cites. I'm sure I got the formats of the citations wrong so if you know how please fix thanks. Still unsure how to cite the stuff in my head. I'll keep looking for published interviews and stuff but they may not exist. - Space Rogue
The academic format for primary source citation is normally "Pers. Comm." with the date and other relevant information for the communication. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.82.52.4 ( talk) 12:45, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
At the end of the paragraph of "Products" one may read: "custom security coding for companies like NFR.[8][9]". I don't know what NFR is, and I therefore think that it should be linked to its corresponding article. ( NFR is not enough) / Tense ( talk) 11:24, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Im wondernig why this page is on Wikipedia. I stumbled over it, and it is totally incrompehensible to me what this group did, and why it is worthy of a wp entry. i guess that it should be clear from the entry, but that just says its been famous, without reference. -- eiland ( talk) 17:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure about the accuracy or neutrality of this term. Is there even such a thing as a "hacker think tank"? -- OlEnglish ( Talk) 01:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
If you noticed, l0pht is back up and running, 6 of the original 8 have come back at DEFCON. Portalcake ( talk) 12:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)Portalcake
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The current Maintenance template claiming additional citations need is from 2008. The page now has over 35 separate cites. Any objections to removing this template? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eatoz ( talk • contribs) 20:40, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Looks like an anonymous editor added the names of two of the groups wives to the first paragraph of the history section but without a citation. Would appreciate a link confirming this information.
Alicia was married to Count Zero (John Lester) in case that helps. I'm having a hard time finding references to her. I believe they divorced in the mid 1990s. I didn't know her very well.
Stefan01902 ( talk) 16:05, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
Mudge is Twitter Whistle-blower and testified to Senate Judiciary Sept 13, 2022. I propose that fact be added to this page. 2600:1700:A6A0:5AF0:66F1:C04C:F1F6:A854 ( talk) 20:55, 15 September 2022 (UTC)