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There are stories I and my relatives in China hear, that say, that Lu Bu was born on December 22nd, 156 AD. He was in his late teens when he was adopted by Dong Zhuo. >.> 74.69.189.75 ( talk) 21:03, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Bold textthe article seems combining facts and fiction. should clear it some time later. Wshun
I say adding a section for the fictional Lu Bu of the ROTK novel would be a good idea.
An unregistered user recently made edits to this article, changing several historical facts to fictional knowledge he perhaps perceived from the Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Several important differences to note:
-- Plastictv 01:33, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Also, I've heard that in history, Sun Jian-- not the three brothers-- defeatd Lu Bu and pushed him back. Wether or not it was Sun Jian himself in a duel, or simply Sun Jian's army, I don't know, but I thought it appropriate to bring it up. Melissia 16:41, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
According to the version of Romance of the Three Kingdoms translated by Brewitt-Taylor, the Wade-Giles name of Lü Bu is "Lu Pu". However, according to this conversion table, it could also be "Lü Pu". So i'm putting down both. -- Plastictv 02:54, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
88.107.187.82, do you have a confirmation of Lü Bu's birth year? Neither Hou Han Shu nor Sanguo Zhi gives a birthdate or age for him, as far as I can see. -- Nlu 16:09, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
On www.3kingdoms.net it says he was born in 156AD and died in 198AD, I believe this site would be truthful because it is all about the three kingdoms Commented By: greenday_bjh@yahoo.com(Please E-Mail if you have questions)
In the years section of wikipedia, both 153 and 156 are shown as Lu Bu's birthyear. This article shows it as 153. I think it couldn't be either, because by the time of the battle of Xia Pi, he'd have been at least 42, and can people be that strong during middle age? Any ideas? Cao Wei 01:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
On www.3kingdoms.net it says he was born 156AD & died 198AD.I think that if somone is set to good strength when they are young they could have great strength when they are older. Even though I am no one to talk, u have to realize then 42 would equal today's 64, u also have to realize there are people now in their 70's that are very strong, Huang Zhong was an old fellow was he not?
Commented by: greenday_bjh@yahoo.com(If you have questions, please E-mail)
He was drunk. That's why he died. (that's why they captured that animal) 74.69.189.75 ( talk) 20:59, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
I think Red Hare should be Merged with Lu Bu. He's the only guy who ever used it, and this article is little more than a stub without the non-Red Hare information. Someone might suggest that it should be merged to Guan Yu, but...then we'll know who's been reading RoTK too much. Cao Wei 01:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
This article claims that Lu Bu was strangled after being caught but later states was hung which is it???
操令將呂布縊死,然後梟首。
_ LDS ( talk) 05:35, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
The end of the 'Days of exile' section states "After more than a hundred days of stalemate, a famine breakout forced Lü Bu to give up his position.". The start of the next section, 'Occupation of Xuzhou', states "Thinking that by forcing Cao Cao's retreat he had done Xuzhou a favor...". Something is wrong here - who retreated? Is it referring to the same siege? 203.214.101.33 11:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
At the beginning of the introduction, it says Lu Bu died 198, yet at the end, it says that the corrections published to "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" had stated his birth year to be February 199. Which is it? 24.72.67.210 ( talk) 00:54, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Article reassessed and graded as start class. Referencing and appropriate inline citation guidelines not met. With appropriate citations and references, this article would easily qualify as B class if not higher. -- dashiellx ( talk) 19:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
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Not done: I assume that what you're requesting is that the picture you included be added to the article. According to Google translate, the caption reads in English, "A photo with the real face of Lü bu More detailed Made by his strategist." While I assume "photo" should be "picture" or "portrait," I don't understand how this was made by his "strategist," given that the picture itself claims to be a self-made drawing by the uploader. As such, until exactly we can determine what this picture is, where it came from, and how authentic it is, I'm not comfortable adding the picture. If you can explain those things, please comment here. Qwyrxian ( talk) 02:22, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
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Hello, I really like those Qing prints. Especially that one with Lü Bu driving away Cao Cao... I've seen more of them scattered over Wikipedia. Did you guys upload these yourself? Where did you find these? -- Plunged ( talk) 17:34, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
"His image as a handsome and mighty warrior wearing a pheasant-tailed headdress [...] was later popularised by the historical novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms..."
Is there a source to back this up? (especially the "handsome" and "pheasant-tailed headdress"). Plunged ( talk) 19:04, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Lu Bu Four betrayal at worse I'm of opinion that Lu Bu has only betrayed at worst four people in the real history and yet due to the reference from the romance of three kingdom got heavily demonized by history. Most of his betrayal could also be explain away. 1.Ding- A MINOR warlord that challanged Dong Zhuo and would've certainly destroyed for doing so.That move was necessary for survival. 2.Dong Zhuo was reference as his foster father,but an adopted father at that time and age doesn't mean the same thing as our time and age.It doesn't hold the same level of bond most of the time. 3.Liu Bei- The only true betrayal and the one that got him killed in the end.Guess him saving Liu Bei with the arrow and sparing Zhang Fei and Liu bei family wasn't such a good idea for leverage.
His military career. His two lost against Sun Jian who was almost undefeated in battle doesn't dampen his current reputation.Hell,the first battle was ruin thanks to infighting and the second battle was him a rear guard.I don't think that position that you could 'win' against an enemy.
Looking at most of his lost and victories,it seems like he was notable talented as a commander and fare extremely well against Cao Cao.Also his campagin against Cao Cao was extremely successful and only was defeated due to his dwildling cause by an unexpected famine that decimated his supplies. Which completely turned the tide against Lu Bu. Lu Bu Suspicious of his troops? I recalled that the statement above was only after losing all territory and that he was down to his last city.The was infighting at that point and betrayal is expected.It seems that you guys draw the statement to that how he's all the time which would fit prominently with the fiction Romance of the three kingdom but go against how he was in the real history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.30.165.129 ( talk) 04:03, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
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There are stories I and my relatives in China hear, that say, that Lu Bu was born on December 22nd, 156 AD. He was in his late teens when he was adopted by Dong Zhuo. >.> 74.69.189.75 ( talk) 21:03, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Bold textthe article seems combining facts and fiction. should clear it some time later. Wshun
I say adding a section for the fictional Lu Bu of the ROTK novel would be a good idea.
An unregistered user recently made edits to this article, changing several historical facts to fictional knowledge he perhaps perceived from the Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Several important differences to note:
-- Plastictv 01:33, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Also, I've heard that in history, Sun Jian-- not the three brothers-- defeatd Lu Bu and pushed him back. Wether or not it was Sun Jian himself in a duel, or simply Sun Jian's army, I don't know, but I thought it appropriate to bring it up. Melissia 16:41, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
According to the version of Romance of the Three Kingdoms translated by Brewitt-Taylor, the Wade-Giles name of Lü Bu is "Lu Pu". However, according to this conversion table, it could also be "Lü Pu". So i'm putting down both. -- Plastictv 02:54, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
88.107.187.82, do you have a confirmation of Lü Bu's birth year? Neither Hou Han Shu nor Sanguo Zhi gives a birthdate or age for him, as far as I can see. -- Nlu 16:09, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
On www.3kingdoms.net it says he was born in 156AD and died in 198AD, I believe this site would be truthful because it is all about the three kingdoms Commented By: greenday_bjh@yahoo.com(Please E-Mail if you have questions)
In the years section of wikipedia, both 153 and 156 are shown as Lu Bu's birthyear. This article shows it as 153. I think it couldn't be either, because by the time of the battle of Xia Pi, he'd have been at least 42, and can people be that strong during middle age? Any ideas? Cao Wei 01:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
On www.3kingdoms.net it says he was born 156AD & died 198AD.I think that if somone is set to good strength when they are young they could have great strength when they are older. Even though I am no one to talk, u have to realize then 42 would equal today's 64, u also have to realize there are people now in their 70's that are very strong, Huang Zhong was an old fellow was he not?
Commented by: greenday_bjh@yahoo.com(If you have questions, please E-mail)
He was drunk. That's why he died. (that's why they captured that animal) 74.69.189.75 ( talk) 20:59, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
I think Red Hare should be Merged with Lu Bu. He's the only guy who ever used it, and this article is little more than a stub without the non-Red Hare information. Someone might suggest that it should be merged to Guan Yu, but...then we'll know who's been reading RoTK too much. Cao Wei 01:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
This article claims that Lu Bu was strangled after being caught but later states was hung which is it???
操令將呂布縊死,然後梟首。
_ LDS ( talk) 05:35, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
The end of the 'Days of exile' section states "After more than a hundred days of stalemate, a famine breakout forced Lü Bu to give up his position.". The start of the next section, 'Occupation of Xuzhou', states "Thinking that by forcing Cao Cao's retreat he had done Xuzhou a favor...". Something is wrong here - who retreated? Is it referring to the same siege? 203.214.101.33 11:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
At the beginning of the introduction, it says Lu Bu died 198, yet at the end, it says that the corrections published to "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" had stated his birth year to be February 199. Which is it? 24.72.67.210 ( talk) 00:54, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Article reassessed and graded as start class. Referencing and appropriate inline citation guidelines not met. With appropriate citations and references, this article would easily qualify as B class if not higher. -- dashiellx ( talk) 19:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
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Zepiko ( talk) 15:44, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
{{edit semi-protected}}
Zepiko (
talk) 15:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Not done: I assume that what you're requesting is that the picture you included be added to the article. According to Google translate, the caption reads in English, "A photo with the real face of Lü bu More detailed Made by his strategist." While I assume "photo" should be "picture" or "portrait," I don't understand how this was made by his "strategist," given that the picture itself claims to be a self-made drawing by the uploader. As such, until exactly we can determine what this picture is, where it came from, and how authentic it is, I'm not comfortable adding the picture. If you can explain those things, please comment here. Qwyrxian ( talk) 02:22, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
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Hello, I really like those Qing prints. Especially that one with Lü Bu driving away Cao Cao... I've seen more of them scattered over Wikipedia. Did you guys upload these yourself? Where did you find these? -- Plunged ( talk) 17:34, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
"His image as a handsome and mighty warrior wearing a pheasant-tailed headdress [...] was later popularised by the historical novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms..."
Is there a source to back this up? (especially the "handsome" and "pheasant-tailed headdress"). Plunged ( talk) 19:04, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Lu Bu Four betrayal at worse I'm of opinion that Lu Bu has only betrayed at worst four people in the real history and yet due to the reference from the romance of three kingdom got heavily demonized by history. Most of his betrayal could also be explain away. 1.Ding- A MINOR warlord that challanged Dong Zhuo and would've certainly destroyed for doing so.That move was necessary for survival. 2.Dong Zhuo was reference as his foster father,but an adopted father at that time and age doesn't mean the same thing as our time and age.It doesn't hold the same level of bond most of the time. 3.Liu Bei- The only true betrayal and the one that got him killed in the end.Guess him saving Liu Bei with the arrow and sparing Zhang Fei and Liu bei family wasn't such a good idea for leverage.
His military career. His two lost against Sun Jian who was almost undefeated in battle doesn't dampen his current reputation.Hell,the first battle was ruin thanks to infighting and the second battle was him a rear guard.I don't think that position that you could 'win' against an enemy.
Looking at most of his lost and victories,it seems like he was notable talented as a commander and fare extremely well against Cao Cao.Also his campagin against Cao Cao was extremely successful and only was defeated due to his dwildling cause by an unexpected famine that decimated his supplies. Which completely turned the tide against Lu Bu. Lu Bu Suspicious of his troops? I recalled that the statement above was only after losing all territory and that he was down to his last city.The was infighting at that point and betrayal is expected.It seems that you guys draw the statement to that how he's all the time which would fit prominently with the fiction Romance of the three kingdom but go against how he was in the real history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.30.165.129 ( talk) 04:03, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
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