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Does nobody think this article needs some kind of mention on how she is the literary equivalent / trope of the 'Mary Sue'? Paradoxelrath ( talk) 18:14, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Lúthien and Jesus also both returned after their deaths, according to each of their sources. Though they did so in a different order from each other: Jesus, God(Immortal) > became mortal > suffered > died(left the temporal world) > resurrected; Lúthien, immortal > suffered > died(sort of, she never left Eä) > resurrected(sort of) > became mortal > died(left Eä).
But as we all know, first hand accounts are the most unreliable evidence available (to orthodox wikipedians in good standing). So none of this can be entered until an accredited scholar gives us a third hand account. Unless this counts as Azure ("The word Azure is a near synonym for the color blue. Commonly it refers to a bright blue, resembling the sky on a bright, clear day.[ duh!")
Someone has infused elements of modern vampire stories with the overview of Tolkien's work. Someone with knowledge of the story needs to edit this work out. Porphyry87 ( talk) 16:23, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Can't quite figure out what this is supposed to mean: "As all the Telerin she was not very high, the corporature was quite minute." Anyone know what was intended, so it can reworked into somewhat more standard English? Is this just a really verbose way of saying she was short? 128.164.108.6 ( talk) 18:55, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Where does this number come from? According to this (though the source isn't cited), the Sun was created in YT 1500, so if that year is immediately followed by FA 1, it would make Luthien 803-804 years old at time of death in FA 503. - Sikon ( talk) 16:26, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
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For the infobox, it says that Lúthien appears in The Silmarillion and Beren and Lúthien. Shouldn't it also say that Lúthien appears in The Lay of Lethian and LOTR? ARoyalPrincess ( talk) 19:39, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) b uidh e 22:07, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Lúthien and Beren →
Beren and Lúthien (Middle-earth) – This article was boldly merged from two different characters into one article. This caused the title to be unnecessary confusing with the actual book
Beren and Lúthien, as replacing the order has no actual meaning in this article. Optimally, the article should either not have been merged, or fictional characters and the book should have been merged from the start, but we're here anyways. The best option currently is to disambiguate this page using the "Middle-earth" consistent style and redirect this title to the book article.
As the current title does not represent any status-quo, there shouldn't be a default "no-consensus" vote outcome here. Gonnym ( talk) 13:28, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
My "vote" was just on the issue of using (Middle Earth) in the title. My recommendation would be first to change the title to "Beren and Luthien" and, if that was successful, to think about merging the article about the book into this article. Rick Norwood ( talk) 00:54, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
The article currently features a painting “Lúthien pleading with Mandos. Art by Gregor Roffalski”. This is fan-art, the painter was just a guy active on a Tolkien fan site and uploaded it there. Is fan art really appropriate for a Wikipedia article? The other painting shown on the article, by Ted Nasmith, is at least work by someone historically connect to Tolkien’s publisher. 83.31.195.15 ( talk) 08:40, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: LunaEatsTuna ( talk · contribs) 17:34, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Earwig says good to go. Only concern it gives is a URL to a blog on Amino, but it was published 22 August 2020 after this Wikipedia article was written, so the text is provably copied from WP.
Quotations used in-line with WP:COPYQUOTE—attributed and usually very short extracts.
All images relevant and copyright-free:
File:TN-Luthien-Web.jpg
: good, valid fair use rationale—downscaled;File:Mandos and Lúthien.jpg
: good, CC-BY-SA 3.0;File:Tolkiengrab.jpg
: good, CC-BA-SA 3.0.Did not pass spotcheck. Alas, I do not own the physical works, so I decided to spotcheck all the sources cited as Secondary instead—no concerns with refs 1–4, 6–7. Could not verify ref 5 as the link was dead.
I had access to ref 1 via the Wikipedia Library and refs 2, 4 and 7 via previews on Google Books.
Templates (including infobox), external links, cats and navs good to go.
LunaEatsTuna - I think that's all done now. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 21:34, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
"someone imprisoned in darkness" necessarily precedes "a powerful and evil jailor"? —Tamfang ( talk) 22:15, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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Does nobody think this article needs some kind of mention on how she is the literary equivalent / trope of the 'Mary Sue'? Paradoxelrath ( talk) 18:14, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Lúthien and Jesus also both returned after their deaths, according to each of their sources. Though they did so in a different order from each other: Jesus, God(Immortal) > became mortal > suffered > died(left the temporal world) > resurrected; Lúthien, immortal > suffered > died(sort of, she never left Eä) > resurrected(sort of) > became mortal > died(left Eä).
But as we all know, first hand accounts are the most unreliable evidence available (to orthodox wikipedians in good standing). So none of this can be entered until an accredited scholar gives us a third hand account. Unless this counts as Azure ("The word Azure is a near synonym for the color blue. Commonly it refers to a bright blue, resembling the sky on a bright, clear day.[ duh!")
Someone has infused elements of modern vampire stories with the overview of Tolkien's work. Someone with knowledge of the story needs to edit this work out. Porphyry87 ( talk) 16:23, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Can't quite figure out what this is supposed to mean: "As all the Telerin she was not very high, the corporature was quite minute." Anyone know what was intended, so it can reworked into somewhat more standard English? Is this just a really verbose way of saying she was short? 128.164.108.6 ( talk) 18:55, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Where does this number come from? According to this (though the source isn't cited), the Sun was created in YT 1500, so if that year is immediately followed by FA 1, it would make Luthien 803-804 years old at time of death in FA 503. - Sikon ( talk) 16:26, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
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For the infobox, it says that Lúthien appears in The Silmarillion and Beren and Lúthien. Shouldn't it also say that Lúthien appears in The Lay of Lethian and LOTR? ARoyalPrincess ( talk) 19:39, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) b uidh e 22:07, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Lúthien and Beren →
Beren and Lúthien (Middle-earth) – This article was boldly merged from two different characters into one article. This caused the title to be unnecessary confusing with the actual book
Beren and Lúthien, as replacing the order has no actual meaning in this article. Optimally, the article should either not have been merged, or fictional characters and the book should have been merged from the start, but we're here anyways. The best option currently is to disambiguate this page using the "Middle-earth" consistent style and redirect this title to the book article.
As the current title does not represent any status-quo, there shouldn't be a default "no-consensus" vote outcome here. Gonnym ( talk) 13:28, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
My "vote" was just on the issue of using (Middle Earth) in the title. My recommendation would be first to change the title to "Beren and Luthien" and, if that was successful, to think about merging the article about the book into this article. Rick Norwood ( talk) 00:54, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
The article currently features a painting “Lúthien pleading with Mandos. Art by Gregor Roffalski”. This is fan-art, the painter was just a guy active on a Tolkien fan site and uploaded it there. Is fan art really appropriate for a Wikipedia article? The other painting shown on the article, by Ted Nasmith, is at least work by someone historically connect to Tolkien’s publisher. 83.31.195.15 ( talk) 08:40, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: LunaEatsTuna ( talk · contribs) 17:34, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Earwig says good to go. Only concern it gives is a URL to a blog on Amino, but it was published 22 August 2020 after this Wikipedia article was written, so the text is provably copied from WP.
Quotations used in-line with WP:COPYQUOTE—attributed and usually very short extracts.
All images relevant and copyright-free:
File:TN-Luthien-Web.jpg
: good, valid fair use rationale—downscaled;File:Mandos and Lúthien.jpg
: good, CC-BY-SA 3.0;File:Tolkiengrab.jpg
: good, CC-BA-SA 3.0.Did not pass spotcheck. Alas, I do not own the physical works, so I decided to spotcheck all the sources cited as Secondary instead—no concerns with refs 1–4, 6–7. Could not verify ref 5 as the link was dead.
I had access to ref 1 via the Wikipedia Library and refs 2, 4 and 7 via previews on Google Books.
Templates (including infobox), external links, cats and navs good to go.
LunaEatsTuna - I think that's all done now. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 21:34, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
"someone imprisoned in darkness" necessarily precedes "a powerful and evil jailor"? —Tamfang ( talk) 22:15, 7 April 2024 (UTC)