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Eastern Turki (as Spoken in Turkestan): Grammar, Turki-English Vocabulary, English-Turki Vocabulary, with English Phonetic Pronunciation FrReport of a Mission to Yarkund in 1873, Under Command of Sir T. D. Forsyth ... By Sir Thomas Douglas Forsythnt Cover Harold Whitaker
I reverted the changes by 129.16.117.113, who had earlier:
Also, User:Amgine, I reverted your change of the native name. Now it's back to Кыргыз тили --- I freely admit my Kyrgyz is not good enough to make an independent judgment on this, but IMHO it's best to go with what the Kyrgyz Wiki itself calls the Kyrgyz language, namely Кыргыз тили. cab 01:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
The assertion that Kyrgyz is most closely related to Kazakh is debateable. It seems that the similarties between the two are artificial and have more to do with language contact than any genetic relationship. Kyrgyz seems most closely related to Altay & Kazakh to Karakalpak. Straughn 04:38, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
My first usage of Wikipedia discussion. First of all, any speaker of Kazakh or (not and) Kyrgyz will 100% agree that Kazakh and Kyrgyz are mostly related to each other (on top of that Kyrgyz and Kazakh have lived together for quite bit of time period in history). When language is concerned one should not try to come up with "genetic relationship" between nations in order to admit the fact, otherwise you would be declining truth. Altay is more related to Tatar same with Nogay. Karakalpak, yes it is similar but the not to the extent as Kyrgyz to Kazakh.
PS, it is funny how non-Kazakh or non-Kyrgyz speakers "decide" on which language is most closest to that of, but the more fun is that those "determiners" have to find some 'genetic bonds' in order to be convinced, why? "because they are SCIENCE people, and they better be COOL than TRUE" by saying things like Nogay and Altay are closest to Kazakh and Kyrgyz (respectively). Nogay and Altay are also very negligibly spoken languages. —Preceding
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08:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
I think the section on prehistoric roots really doesn't belong here in its current form. Best would probably be a summary of the halpotype stuff ("the Kyrgyz genetically show quite a high relative concentration of the R1a1 halpotype (63%), which has been linked to proto-IE speakers. This is curious, since Kyrgyz is a Turkic language." etc). The current stuff is rambly and much of it is unnecessary. I'm going to propose a merger, to take some of the material out of this section and put it in the Halpogroup article. — Firespeaker ( talk) 08:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
The current Arabic script for Kyrgyz tili is incorrect (قىرعىز ٴتىلى).
There is no need for an apostrophe; the character [غ] should be used for [ɣ],instead of [ع].
I can't remember if [ɨ] is represented with the character high-hamza yeh [ٸ], or if it follows the Uyghur convention of using the dotless-yeh (alef maqsura) [ى]:
قٸرغٸز تيلي
قىرغىز تيلي
Pachooey (
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20:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
This was brought up above (see subsection: "Kazakh & Kyrgyz related") and not exactly resolved, but the opening section makes an unsourced claim that Kyrgyz is most closely related to the Altai language. The above discussion seems to indicate that there's a confusion between genetic relations of people and languages, and as most sources seem to group it with Kazakh (though not always under the name "Kypchak," Ethnologue calls them Aralo-Caspian), I'm going to remove it. But if there is an Altai substratum hypothesis for Kyrgyz, please do talk about it in the article, and provide sources. Thanks, -- Quintucket ( talk) 04:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
these Persian internet trunks are corrupting all wikipedia articles with their nounsenses about Iranian people, Iran is a recently invented name and its a Hebrew word, but they try to stirck themselves on Turkic white people, its a shame, none will ever accept Persians as white ethnics while they try to attach themselves to Turkic people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.164.110.55 ( talk) 20:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
it is clear that you don't know the lexicology of persian language. Iran means Aryan "the lands of Aryan". Persian articles are not nonsense to your information but you are on lands of Persian and its values influenced your identity that is why whatever comes up with, it will take you to the origins of Persia. You should first accept your origins and then talk about what is nonsense, it is obvious that you do not accept your origins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AryanMK ( talk • contribs) 03:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
This isn't exactly clear what happens to /k/ and /g/: they're [q] and [ɢ] «in back vowel contexts (before back vowels)» and «in back vowel environments both /k/ and /g/ fricativise (to [χ] and [ʁ] respectively)»?!? Fnugh ( talk) 20:23, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Can you give examples with /χ/ in Kyrgyz words (not loans), we definitely have /q/, e.g. koltuk is pronounced as qoltuq. I'm not sure about these three, they all sound the same to me /ʁ/, /ɢ/ and /ɣ/. We also pronounce the word Ooba differently, b in the middle becomes somewhat like /w/. /k/ is also pronounced as /g/ at the beginning of words, e.g. kökürök is pronounced as gökürök. -- 158.181.135.135 ( talk) 13:11, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
There is this Arabic loan акыбал, which is pronounced as ахвал. 109.201.186.129 ( talk) 22:24, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
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No mention on how plurals are formed in Kyrgyz which would seem significant. I had to read it on the French Wikipedia. Maybe I'll translate that section. Bastique ☎ call me! 02:10, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Officially registered Kyrgyz website of the Kyrgyz Republic. The website contains information about new, weather and other necessary information in the Kyrgyz language Kyrgyzstan 31.184.250.11 ( talk) 10:32, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
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Eastern Turki (as Spoken in Turkestan): Grammar, Turki-English Vocabulary, English-Turki Vocabulary, with English Phonetic Pronunciation FrReport of a Mission to Yarkund in 1873, Under Command of Sir T. D. Forsyth ... By Sir Thomas Douglas Forsythnt Cover Harold Whitaker
I reverted the changes by 129.16.117.113, who had earlier:
Also, User:Amgine, I reverted your change of the native name. Now it's back to Кыргыз тили --- I freely admit my Kyrgyz is not good enough to make an independent judgment on this, but IMHO it's best to go with what the Kyrgyz Wiki itself calls the Kyrgyz language, namely Кыргыз тили. cab 01:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
The assertion that Kyrgyz is most closely related to Kazakh is debateable. It seems that the similarties between the two are artificial and have more to do with language contact than any genetic relationship. Kyrgyz seems most closely related to Altay & Kazakh to Karakalpak. Straughn 04:38, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
My first usage of Wikipedia discussion. First of all, any speaker of Kazakh or (not and) Kyrgyz will 100% agree that Kazakh and Kyrgyz are mostly related to each other (on top of that Kyrgyz and Kazakh have lived together for quite bit of time period in history). When language is concerned one should not try to come up with "genetic relationship" between nations in order to admit the fact, otherwise you would be declining truth. Altay is more related to Tatar same with Nogay. Karakalpak, yes it is similar but the not to the extent as Kyrgyz to Kazakh.
PS, it is funny how non-Kazakh or non-Kyrgyz speakers "decide" on which language is most closest to that of, but the more fun is that those "determiners" have to find some 'genetic bonds' in order to be convinced, why? "because they are SCIENCE people, and they better be COOL than TRUE" by saying things like Nogay and Altay are closest to Kazakh and Kyrgyz (respectively). Nogay and Altay are also very negligibly spoken languages. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
66.253.161.55 (
talk)
08:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
I think the section on prehistoric roots really doesn't belong here in its current form. Best would probably be a summary of the halpotype stuff ("the Kyrgyz genetically show quite a high relative concentration of the R1a1 halpotype (63%), which has been linked to proto-IE speakers. This is curious, since Kyrgyz is a Turkic language." etc). The current stuff is rambly and much of it is unnecessary. I'm going to propose a merger, to take some of the material out of this section and put it in the Halpogroup article. — Firespeaker ( talk) 08:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
The current Arabic script for Kyrgyz tili is incorrect (قىرعىز ٴتىلى).
There is no need for an apostrophe; the character [غ] should be used for [ɣ],instead of [ع].
I can't remember if [ɨ] is represented with the character high-hamza yeh [ٸ], or if it follows the Uyghur convention of using the dotless-yeh (alef maqsura) [ى]:
قٸرغٸز تيلي
قىرغىز تيلي
Pachooey (
talk)
20:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
This was brought up above (see subsection: "Kazakh & Kyrgyz related") and not exactly resolved, but the opening section makes an unsourced claim that Kyrgyz is most closely related to the Altai language. The above discussion seems to indicate that there's a confusion between genetic relations of people and languages, and as most sources seem to group it with Kazakh (though not always under the name "Kypchak," Ethnologue calls them Aralo-Caspian), I'm going to remove it. But if there is an Altai substratum hypothesis for Kyrgyz, please do talk about it in the article, and provide sources. Thanks, -- Quintucket ( talk) 04:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
these Persian internet trunks are corrupting all wikipedia articles with their nounsenses about Iranian people, Iran is a recently invented name and its a Hebrew word, but they try to stirck themselves on Turkic white people, its a shame, none will ever accept Persians as white ethnics while they try to attach themselves to Turkic people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.164.110.55 ( talk) 20:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
it is clear that you don't know the lexicology of persian language. Iran means Aryan "the lands of Aryan". Persian articles are not nonsense to your information but you are on lands of Persian and its values influenced your identity that is why whatever comes up with, it will take you to the origins of Persia. You should first accept your origins and then talk about what is nonsense, it is obvious that you do not accept your origins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AryanMK ( talk • contribs) 03:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
This isn't exactly clear what happens to /k/ and /g/: they're [q] and [ɢ] «in back vowel contexts (before back vowels)» and «in back vowel environments both /k/ and /g/ fricativise (to [χ] and [ʁ] respectively)»?!? Fnugh ( talk) 20:23, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Can you give examples with /χ/ in Kyrgyz words (not loans), we definitely have /q/, e.g. koltuk is pronounced as qoltuq. I'm not sure about these three, they all sound the same to me /ʁ/, /ɢ/ and /ɣ/. We also pronounce the word Ooba differently, b in the middle becomes somewhat like /w/. /k/ is also pronounced as /g/ at the beginning of words, e.g. kökürök is pronounced as gökürök. -- 158.181.135.135 ( talk) 13:11, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
There is this Arabic loan акыбал, which is pronounced as ахвал. 109.201.186.129 ( talk) 22:24, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
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No mention on how plurals are formed in Kyrgyz which would seem significant. I had to read it on the French Wikipedia. Maybe I'll translate that section. Bastique ☎ call me! 02:10, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
Officially registered Kyrgyz website of the Kyrgyz Republic. The website contains information about new, weather and other necessary information in the Kyrgyz language Kyrgyzstan 31.184.250.11 ( talk) 10:32, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
Kesa ho brother 110.37.78.94 ( talk) 17:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)