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Some Western news reporters may have been more familiar with the Russian language than Ukrainian, and therefore used a typical Russian-derived spelling, particularly if they did not speak Ukrainian and had to find Russian-speaking locals to interview. Some residents of Kyiv/Kiev do speak Russian even if Ukrainian is the official language -- regardless of their politics.
As Ukraine is more in the Western news these days, a spelling that better corresponds to local usage in the official language is likely to come into use with or without a campaign. 24.237.158.232 ( talk) 17:02, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
It's hardly the use of "Russian derived spelling", it's just been called Kiev in English for centuries.
"Kiev" is as much derived from Russian as "Moscow" is derived from Ukrainian. Ironically, the new PC pronunciation in English-speaking media ("Keeve") is actually closer to Russian than Ukrainian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.29.203.66 ( talk) 19:23, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
Can't wait for MoskvaNotMoscow! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A442:581E:1:D810:9E4B:4D2:5C3D ( talk) 19:22, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
WP:NOTCHAT. If there are any proposals for concrete changes to the article, with sources to support them per WP:RS, please start a new talk section. — Michael Z. 23:35, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Carpatho-Ruthenian here, "Kyiv" is not an accurate Latinisation of Київ. It is a travesty. Kiev is more accurate. This change in spelling is just politically correct Newspeak. 172.58.206.232 ( talk) 00:12, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
WP:PROMOTION this complete page is nothing but a publicity stunt. 2604:3D08:177D:9A00:CCD4:A59C:9492:B34E ( talk) 03:04, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
I think it should be mentioned that the proponent of the campaign is constantly trying to rename Wikipedia articles in different languages. 176.99.214.127 ( talk) 09:28, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Referring and linking to information that is already on other Wikipedia pages (where it has citations) is not original research. For example, Unified Korean sporting teams#Names saying that the team's native name is 코리아 Koria is not OR, because that sentence already links the reader toward the existing 2018 Winter Olympics Parade of Nations article, where the list of team names is backed up with citations.
Reading through the article again as a whole, I guess the reader could incorrectly determine that "UA's social media campaign reached Taiwan, ISO, and the UN". To prevent this, I've pulled the section out of the "campaign" subheadings. Zowayix001 ( talk) 09:56, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
The standards used by the United Nations were unaffected by the campaign" (which is his conclusion / WP:OR, which I had remove Special:Diff/1194127913, and also cleanup (I can't looked away without cleaning up bloated paragraphs) --- Cat12zu3 ( talk) 18:50, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
some EU countries"? --- Cat12zu3 ( talk) 13:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Some EU countries continue to use Russian-derived names instead of Ukrainian-derived names." Special:Diff/1194235990 is not cited with reliable source and seemed to be your conclusion (and earlier even worse WP:OR "
The standards used by the United Nations were unaffected by the campaign" Special:Diff/1193525580 --- Cat12zu3 ( talk) 17:30, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Some EU countries continue to use Russian-derived names instead of Ukrainian-derived names." (provide a WP:RS about this topic or name all EU countries which still use Russian names with WP:RS source, or avoid this sentence), especially when it comes to those who still use Russian names for Ukrainian places which still didn't have any WP:RS citation, as discussed earlier here by an admin (which you argued with just now Special:Diff/1194368392) --- Cat12zu3 ( talk) 19:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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Some Western news reporters may have been more familiar with the Russian language than Ukrainian, and therefore used a typical Russian-derived spelling, particularly if they did not speak Ukrainian and had to find Russian-speaking locals to interview. Some residents of Kyiv/Kiev do speak Russian even if Ukrainian is the official language -- regardless of their politics.
As Ukraine is more in the Western news these days, a spelling that better corresponds to local usage in the official language is likely to come into use with or without a campaign. 24.237.158.232 ( talk) 17:02, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
It's hardly the use of "Russian derived spelling", it's just been called Kiev in English for centuries.
"Kiev" is as much derived from Russian as "Moscow" is derived from Ukrainian. Ironically, the new PC pronunciation in English-speaking media ("Keeve") is actually closer to Russian than Ukrainian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.29.203.66 ( talk) 19:23, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
Can't wait for MoskvaNotMoscow! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A442:581E:1:D810:9E4B:4D2:5C3D ( talk) 19:22, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
WP:NOTCHAT. If there are any proposals for concrete changes to the article, with sources to support them per WP:RS, please start a new talk section. — Michael Z. 23:35, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Carpatho-Ruthenian here, "Kyiv" is not an accurate Latinisation of Київ. It is a travesty. Kiev is more accurate. This change in spelling is just politically correct Newspeak. 172.58.206.232 ( talk) 00:12, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
WP:PROMOTION this complete page is nothing but a publicity stunt. 2604:3D08:177D:9A00:CCD4:A59C:9492:B34E ( talk) 03:04, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
I think it should be mentioned that the proponent of the campaign is constantly trying to rename Wikipedia articles in different languages. 176.99.214.127 ( talk) 09:28, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Referring and linking to information that is already on other Wikipedia pages (where it has citations) is not original research. For example, Unified Korean sporting teams#Names saying that the team's native name is 코리아 Koria is not OR, because that sentence already links the reader toward the existing 2018 Winter Olympics Parade of Nations article, where the list of team names is backed up with citations.
Reading through the article again as a whole, I guess the reader could incorrectly determine that "UA's social media campaign reached Taiwan, ISO, and the UN". To prevent this, I've pulled the section out of the "campaign" subheadings. Zowayix001 ( talk) 09:56, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
The standards used by the United Nations were unaffected by the campaign" (which is his conclusion / WP:OR, which I had remove Special:Diff/1194127913, and also cleanup (I can't looked away without cleaning up bloated paragraphs) --- Cat12zu3 ( talk) 18:50, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
some EU countries"? --- Cat12zu3 ( talk) 13:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Some EU countries continue to use Russian-derived names instead of Ukrainian-derived names." Special:Diff/1194235990 is not cited with reliable source and seemed to be your conclusion (and earlier even worse WP:OR "
The standards used by the United Nations were unaffected by the campaign" Special:Diff/1193525580 --- Cat12zu3 ( talk) 17:30, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
Some EU countries continue to use Russian-derived names instead of Ukrainian-derived names." (provide a WP:RS about this topic or name all EU countries which still use Russian names with WP:RS source, or avoid this sentence), especially when it comes to those who still use Russian names for Ukrainian places which still didn't have any WP:RS citation, as discussed earlier here by an admin (which you argued with just now Special:Diff/1194368392) --- Cat12zu3 ( talk) 19:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)