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The Flight Numbers section, listing the flight numbers and aircraft used to each Kuwait Airways destination, is not encyclopedic content, so I removed it. Wikipedia is not a travel guide. SempreVolando ( talk) 18:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I don't believe the passenger numbers to be correct that the airline carrying each year!
Kuwait International Airport is the only airport in Kuwait and is Kuwait Airways home hub and don't have bases anywhere else, and the airport only handles around 5 million passengers a year and it is stated that Kuwait airways is carrying in-excess of 20 million passengers a year! All 20 million passengers would need to arrive or depart through Kuwait airport, so these figures are clearly wrong!
Also it is not possible for an airline with only 20 aircraft in their fleet to carry 20 million passengers! This is impossible.
Giles —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.178.68 ( talk) 19:41, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Kuwait Airways has several subsidiaries that are considered as large companies in Kuwait and are listed in the Kuwaiti stock market. these companies are going through a similar privatization process as KAC.
Kuwait Airways also went in to alliances with several airlines to keep up with demand and alternate for holding its operations during the 1990 War.
Mohammed Asiry ( talk) 09:49, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
This edit will be removed in a week or so unless solid arguments for their inclusion in the article are provided here, given that 90.200.23.238 ( talk · contribs) contributions to the page have been unexplained. As I already stated in my edit summaries when I reverted them, the airline does not include the Boeing 747-400 as part of the fleet. Furthermore, Planespotters.net is not a reliable source. I therefore see no reason for the edit to stay.-- Jetstreamer Talk 13:32, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
The following edits have recently been reverted [2] [3] [4]. Some of them were unsourced but the most important thing is that the airline hasn't ordered any Boeing 777-300ER yet. Ther are references in the article mentioning the carrier is just considering the acquisition.-- Jetstreamer Talk 01:39, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Two editors ( [6] and [7]) have removed the legal dispute surrounding the airline due to its refusal to allow Israelis to board its planes. The 1st editor gave the nebulous reason "doesn't appear to be particular notable" w/o elaboration, and the 2nd editor referenced WP:NOTNEWS. Here is a direct quote from WP:NOTNEWS
Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion. For example, routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia
I think the story in question certainly does not fit the "routine". Sometimes the sky is blue ( talk) 01:13, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
I guess I did not bring up the Arab boycott in the correct context because Kuwait Airways is not being threatened with legal action for refusing to fly to Israel. The company is threatened with legal action because they are discriminating based on national origin while operating in the United States. Neither Britain nor the United States ban Israeli citizens from flying in or out of them, so Kuwait Airways has no basis for refusing, other than complying with the Arab boycott, to fly Israelis between those two destinations. This case is similar in notability to Denny's legal troubles for refusing to serve black customers. Sometimes the sky is blue ( talk) 17:53, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
This conversation has reached its course, so I have filed the RfC below. Sometimes the sky is blue ( talk) 20:28, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
United States Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx has threatened the airline with legal action for discrimination against Israeli passport holders. References are:
Is this notable enough to be included in the article? Sometimes the sky is blue ( talk) 20:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
After a week, the RFC can be closed. Thank you to all the editors who chimed in.
It appears that the two editors,
MilborneOne &
Jetstreamer, making the
WP:NOTNEWS argument failed to substantiate their claim that legal threats are routine. Based on the feedback from
Aircorn, it seems that the thinking is that the legal threat is not significant enough to be included by itself, so the paragraph should be re-written to focus on the controversy that the airline is discriminating and the threat from Secretary Foxx is only part of a larger response. For the sake of
WP:NPOV we can certainly write that the airline is using Kuwaiti Law to defend itself. That's what I have done
here.
Sometimes the sky is blue (
talk)
18:26, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Can someone who is allowed to edit this article please add this to the section on Operations in the United States?
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The Department of Transportation said that the airline was failing to comply with US law, both because the airline was engaging in unreasonable discrimination and because the airline's actions were inconsistent with US anti-boycott laws. [8] [9] [10] In November 2015, the airline asked the Federal Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia to consider the dispute. [11]
In December 2015, in response to the matter the airline dropped its New York-London route. [12] [13] [14] Lancman said: "If you’re so anti-Semitic that you would rather cancel a flight than provide service to Israeli passport holders, then good riddance." [15] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.34.71.18 ( talk) 06:06, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
I had originally named the subsection as "Operations in the United States" because at the time it appeared that the United States would heavily fine or prohibit Kuwait Airways from operating within the US. Since the matter was resolved by Kuwait Airways dropping the NY to London route, I renamed the section to "New York to London route". I think that's probably a more appropriate name, as that is at the heart of the controversy. Feel free to change to something else if you can think of a better subsection heading.--17:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC) Sometimes the sky is blue ( talk)
Thank you for helping. The boycott point was in the footnote about the airline dispute that I gave you, that you deleted. Here it is - [16] It's also in many news articles that can also be used as footnotes. [17] [18] [19] And Senators also focused on it also- [20] [21]. Oh - and maybe the title to the section should let the reader know that the section is a bout a dispute or disagreement or, as you call it, a controversy? Thank you again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.34.71.18 ( talk) 03:39, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
@ Sometimes the sky is blue: I don't see the logic in this [22] edit. The 1982 hijacking was removed for being unsouced but I see a lot of material in the same section that is also unreferenced and was kept.-- Jetstreamer Talk 17:13, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
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Maen Mahmoud Razouqi [23]has been appointed to the lead the airline as of October 2021. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maen Mahmoud Razouqi ( talk • contribs) 11:21, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
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The Flight Numbers section, listing the flight numbers and aircraft used to each Kuwait Airways destination, is not encyclopedic content, so I removed it. Wikipedia is not a travel guide. SempreVolando ( talk) 18:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I don't believe the passenger numbers to be correct that the airline carrying each year!
Kuwait International Airport is the only airport in Kuwait and is Kuwait Airways home hub and don't have bases anywhere else, and the airport only handles around 5 million passengers a year and it is stated that Kuwait airways is carrying in-excess of 20 million passengers a year! All 20 million passengers would need to arrive or depart through Kuwait airport, so these figures are clearly wrong!
Also it is not possible for an airline with only 20 aircraft in their fleet to carry 20 million passengers! This is impossible.
Giles —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.178.68 ( talk) 19:41, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Kuwait Airways has several subsidiaries that are considered as large companies in Kuwait and are listed in the Kuwaiti stock market. these companies are going through a similar privatization process as KAC.
Kuwait Airways also went in to alliances with several airlines to keep up with demand and alternate for holding its operations during the 1990 War.
Mohammed Asiry ( talk) 09:49, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
This edit will be removed in a week or so unless solid arguments for their inclusion in the article are provided here, given that 90.200.23.238 ( talk · contribs) contributions to the page have been unexplained. As I already stated in my edit summaries when I reverted them, the airline does not include the Boeing 747-400 as part of the fleet. Furthermore, Planespotters.net is not a reliable source. I therefore see no reason for the edit to stay.-- Jetstreamer Talk 13:32, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
The following edits have recently been reverted [2] [3] [4]. Some of them were unsourced but the most important thing is that the airline hasn't ordered any Boeing 777-300ER yet. Ther are references in the article mentioning the carrier is just considering the acquisition.-- Jetstreamer Talk 01:39, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Two editors ( [6] and [7]) have removed the legal dispute surrounding the airline due to its refusal to allow Israelis to board its planes. The 1st editor gave the nebulous reason "doesn't appear to be particular notable" w/o elaboration, and the 2nd editor referenced WP:NOTNEWS. Here is a direct quote from WP:NOTNEWS
Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion. For example, routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia
I think the story in question certainly does not fit the "routine". Sometimes the sky is blue ( talk) 01:13, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
I guess I did not bring up the Arab boycott in the correct context because Kuwait Airways is not being threatened with legal action for refusing to fly to Israel. The company is threatened with legal action because they are discriminating based on national origin while operating in the United States. Neither Britain nor the United States ban Israeli citizens from flying in or out of them, so Kuwait Airways has no basis for refusing, other than complying with the Arab boycott, to fly Israelis between those two destinations. This case is similar in notability to Denny's legal troubles for refusing to serve black customers. Sometimes the sky is blue ( talk) 17:53, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
This conversation has reached its course, so I have filed the RfC below. Sometimes the sky is blue ( talk) 20:28, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
United States Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx has threatened the airline with legal action for discrimination against Israeli passport holders. References are:
Is this notable enough to be included in the article? Sometimes the sky is blue ( talk) 20:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
After a week, the RFC can be closed. Thank you to all the editors who chimed in.
It appears that the two editors,
MilborneOne &
Jetstreamer, making the
WP:NOTNEWS argument failed to substantiate their claim that legal threats are routine. Based on the feedback from
Aircorn, it seems that the thinking is that the legal threat is not significant enough to be included by itself, so the paragraph should be re-written to focus on the controversy that the airline is discriminating and the threat from Secretary Foxx is only part of a larger response. For the sake of
WP:NPOV we can certainly write that the airline is using Kuwaiti Law to defend itself. That's what I have done
here.
Sometimes the sky is blue (
talk)
18:26, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Can someone who is allowed to edit this article please add this to the section on Operations in the United States?
---
The Department of Transportation said that the airline was failing to comply with US law, both because the airline was engaging in unreasonable discrimination and because the airline's actions were inconsistent with US anti-boycott laws. [8] [9] [10] In November 2015, the airline asked the Federal Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia to consider the dispute. [11]
In December 2015, in response to the matter the airline dropped its New York-London route. [12] [13] [14] Lancman said: "If you’re so anti-Semitic that you would rather cancel a flight than provide service to Israeli passport holders, then good riddance." [15] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.34.71.18 ( talk) 06:06, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
I had originally named the subsection as "Operations in the United States" because at the time it appeared that the United States would heavily fine or prohibit Kuwait Airways from operating within the US. Since the matter was resolved by Kuwait Airways dropping the NY to London route, I renamed the section to "New York to London route". I think that's probably a more appropriate name, as that is at the heart of the controversy. Feel free to change to something else if you can think of a better subsection heading.--17:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC) Sometimes the sky is blue ( talk)
Thank you for helping. The boycott point was in the footnote about the airline dispute that I gave you, that you deleted. Here it is - [16] It's also in many news articles that can also be used as footnotes. [17] [18] [19] And Senators also focused on it also- [20] [21]. Oh - and maybe the title to the section should let the reader know that the section is a bout a dispute or disagreement or, as you call it, a controversy? Thank you again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.34.71.18 ( talk) 03:39, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
@ Sometimes the sky is blue: I don't see the logic in this [22] edit. The 1982 hijacking was removed for being unsouced but I see a lot of material in the same section that is also unreferenced and was kept.-- Jetstreamer Talk 17:13, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
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Maen Mahmoud Razouqi [23]has been appointed to the lead the airline as of October 2021. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maen Mahmoud Razouqi ( talk • contribs) 11:21, 9 November 2021 (UTC)