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I think is the word kuttab is more common. can people vote which word is used in there country/region?
The article says, "In medieval times, the Caliphate experienced a growth in literacy, having the highest literacy rate of the Middle Ages, comparable to classical Athens' literacy in antiquity.[7] " But reference 7 is making a completely different claim. It does not state that the medieval Caliphate had a literacy rate comparable to that of classical Athens', it states that the medieval Caliphate had a higher literacy rate than any other culture of its time, just as classical Athens had a higher literacy rate than any other culture of its time... It is saying that both had the highest literacy rates of their own time, not that they had the same literacy rate: "The abil- ity to read and write was far more widely enjoyed in the early medieval Islamic empire and in fourth-century-B.C.E. Athens than in any other cultures of their times."
I don't know what the literacy rate was in either classical Athens or the medieval Caliphate. I am sure that both were the most highly literate societies of their own ages, but I don't think there is any support for the statement that their literacy rates were comparable. All the reference is claiming is that the literacy rate of each was high compared to other cultures of its own time.
I'd suggest that the statement in the article be truncated to "In medieval times, the Caliphate experienced a growth in literacy, having the highest literacy rate of the Middle Ages.[7] " and omit all reference to Athens altogether.
DlronW ( talk) 00:06, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
Proposal: merge
Maktab (education) into
Kuttab
As per
WP:OVERLAP and
WP:NOTDIC. These two pages are clearly the same topic, and this is the older, more established, and more broadly-defined page. That the same word has slightly different meanings in different langages another doesn't mean that separate pages are needed for each variation in each language (
WP:NOTDIC); instead, the differences are already discussed in the "Name" section here, and further differences can be discussed here as needed. Splitting pages about essentially the same topic can mislead or confuse both editors and readers.
(Note: This page was previously called
maktab too, precisely because of both terms appearing for the same topic in various sources; it was moved to
kuttab on the argument that the latter corresponds to the word used for this meaning in Modern Standard Arabic usage and avoids confusion with the word for "office" in Arabic today.)
R Prazeres (
talk)
00:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
It's been over a week and no objections, so I'll be blanking and redirecting Maktab (education) to here. There's no sourced material there that isn't already here. R Prazeres ( talk) 17:24, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
{{Discussion bottom}}and nothing else. You should've noticed that what was added/removed in the edit. ─ The Aafī on Mobile (talk) 04:14, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
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I think is the word kuttab is more common. can people vote which word is used in there country/region?
The article says, "In medieval times, the Caliphate experienced a growth in literacy, having the highest literacy rate of the Middle Ages, comparable to classical Athens' literacy in antiquity.[7] " But reference 7 is making a completely different claim. It does not state that the medieval Caliphate had a literacy rate comparable to that of classical Athens', it states that the medieval Caliphate had a higher literacy rate than any other culture of its time, just as classical Athens had a higher literacy rate than any other culture of its time... It is saying that both had the highest literacy rates of their own time, not that they had the same literacy rate: "The abil- ity to read and write was far more widely enjoyed in the early medieval Islamic empire and in fourth-century-B.C.E. Athens than in any other cultures of their times."
I don't know what the literacy rate was in either classical Athens or the medieval Caliphate. I am sure that both were the most highly literate societies of their own ages, but I don't think there is any support for the statement that their literacy rates were comparable. All the reference is claiming is that the literacy rate of each was high compared to other cultures of its own time.
I'd suggest that the statement in the article be truncated to "In medieval times, the Caliphate experienced a growth in literacy, having the highest literacy rate of the Middle Ages.[7] " and omit all reference to Athens altogether.
DlronW ( talk) 00:06, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
Proposal: merge
Maktab (education) into
Kuttab
As per
WP:OVERLAP and
WP:NOTDIC. These two pages are clearly the same topic, and this is the older, more established, and more broadly-defined page. That the same word has slightly different meanings in different langages another doesn't mean that separate pages are needed for each variation in each language (
WP:NOTDIC); instead, the differences are already discussed in the "Name" section here, and further differences can be discussed here as needed. Splitting pages about essentially the same topic can mislead or confuse both editors and readers.
(Note: This page was previously called
maktab too, precisely because of both terms appearing for the same topic in various sources; it was moved to
kuttab on the argument that the latter corresponds to the word used for this meaning in Modern Standard Arabic usage and avoids confusion with the word for "office" in Arabic today.)
R Prazeres (
talk)
00:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
It's been over a week and no objections, so I'll be blanking and redirecting Maktab (education) to here. There's no sourced material there that isn't already here. R Prazeres ( talk) 17:24, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
{{Discussion bottom}}and nothing else. You should've noticed that what was added/removed in the edit. ─ The Aafī on Mobile (talk) 04:14, 24 June 2021 (UTC)